Why didn't Nagato revive Yahiko?

[Imperious]

(Friendly Warning: If this topic has been discussed before, then it's about to be discussed again so stfu and enjoy :sdo: and trolling, baiting or bashing will be reported) We know from the Pain Assault Arc that Nagato has the power to bring dead bodies back to life, using Outer Path. However, next scan implies (by this quote “There’s still time to save those I killed when I came to Konoha”) that the powers of Outer path are restricted by time, meaning that Nagato could only revive those who are dead within a specific time range of their death. Put simply, if he killed someone an hour (or day) ago, he would be able to revive them. If he killed someone within a week (or month) it would be too late for him to revive them. Spoiler You must be registered for see images However, when Madara joined Obito on the battlefield during the War Arc, he questioned why he was revived the way he was Spoiler You must be registered for see images he went on to ask what happened to Nagato, because in his original plan he was suppose to be revived by Nagato using Rinne Tensei no Jutsu. Spoiler You must be registered for see images Which implies that not only did Nagato have the capabilities to revive someone who has been dead over a long period of time, but that Outer’s path to revive any body is not bound by the restrictions of time. So, the main question is, why did Nagato not revive Yahiko? Spoiler You must be registered for see images Many have claimed that at the time Nagato didn’t know all too much about the capabilities of Rinnegan, so he was not able to revive his fallen foe at the time. The scans above negate this claim, because even if Nagato didn’t know how to use Outer path at the time of Yahiko’s death, he could have still revived Yahiko once he learned how to use Outer path (since Outer path is not bound by time restrictions) The requirements are all there. I’m assuming Nagato was in no big fight or drained of his chakra when he learned to use Outer path, so he was fully capable of reviving Yahiko. Spoiler You must be registered for see images Not to mention that they had Yahiko’s well preserved body, and motives to bring him back to life as he was their dearest friend and died a tragic death So that leaves me with the questions of why Nagato did not bring Yahiko back to life when given the opportunity. Many have said for the sake of the plot, but that’s a no no too. Spoiler You must be registered for see images Because the chakra receivers a rinnegan is able to produce have the capabilities of restricting or controlling movement. So if the trio still wanted to stage their assault on the Hidden Leaf Village, after reviving Yahiko, Nagato could have gave him chakra receivers to transmit his chakra into Yahiko, controlling his body and using him as a temporary Deva Path. Things could have still played out the same way. Jiraiya is another question with an obvious answer. It’s because his body at the bottom of an extremely deep ocean (or river) and if he had been revived, he would have immediately drowned or been crushed by water pressure. Many say that it’s because Nagato didn’t have enough chakra to revive him, but Naruto and Konan could have given him chakra. Many say that it’s because he’s been dead for too long, but Outer path is not time bound. Many say that it’s for the sake of the plot and those people are correct. I honestly think he didn’t revive Yahiko because he was better off dead. Yahiko probably wouldn’t have even wanted to come back to life, as it would have just been emotionally stressful for all. I know that sounds like bullshit, but we’re dealing with a plot hole here. It’s a plot hole because the manga implies that Nagato could have revived Yahiko and had the motive too, but didn’t. Tell me what y’all think :sdo:​

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[Darth Natsu Shazneel]

Did not read but to answer your question cause plot. If Yahiko did not die Nagoto would not have the same belief of humanity as he did.

 

[Darth Natsu Shazneel]

Yahiko can't be revived by the outer path. He has the same orange hair as Naruto. It seemed like Nagato cannot revive Naruto for some reason otherwise he would've killed Naruto ripped Naruto's soul temporarily and revived him later but he tried his maximum not to. People with orange hair have a different mechanism which transcends life and death beyond the reach of Hagoromo equivalents and transmigrants like former.

What kinda logic is this?

 

[Jinrou]

Yahiko can't be revived by the outer path. He has the same orange hair as Naruto. It seemed like Nagato cannot revive Naruto for some reason otherwise he would've killed Naruto ripped Naruto's soul temporarily and revived him later but he tried his maximum not to. People with orange hair have a different mechanism which transcends life and death beyond the reach of Hagoromo equivalents and transmigrants like former.

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OT: Good catch.. Agreed that plot desired it to be that way.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

He revived him as Pain. He made him undead if that makes any sense. Gave him an immortal body and kept him connected to Nagato. It’s weird like that.

 

[Uverdore9]

Another thing to point out is deva could've crushed his legs while preta was collecting chakra and take him to Nagato through instant body flicker. He was scared Naruto will accidently die and because of his orange hair he'll not possibly revive.

 

[123fire]

Hello there. remember me

 

[Queen of Bananas]

Nagato did not revive Yahiko because by doing so it would be to destroy Pein.

Pein is the pseudo identity that Nagato held onto after the literal emotional pain and scarring caused by the death of yahiko but literally, by the incompetence of Nagato to save Yahiko.

Nagato died that day. Pein is all that remained.

Nagato may want to bring Yahiko back, but...

... Pein would not want to do so.

In hindsight, it is only when Pein is defeated, that Nagato is able to resurface and do the necessary good as only those with a humane conscious are capable of doing so. Once the facade made from cowardice and powerless incompetence breaks and falls apart, what remains is the heart that is true and will cling to truth from avid awareness. The truth, as cliched as it may sound, is - really - to live for a greater good; a greature purpose other than the self.

The purpose of living for the greater good is one in which the individual can warrant a responsibility to themselves and others in adequate measure. It is the notion of balancing between the self and others.

When Naruto defeated Pein and thus rebirthed Nagato, who finally faced himself, he too redeemed himself and began to live for the greater good. Unfortunately, he was too weak to sustain responsibility for his own well-being and died in the process.

In retrospect, Nagato was simply not strong enough to realize that Yahiko could be saved because by saving Yahiko, he would not be able to save himself, and out of selfishness, he chose himself. The creation of Pein was a selfish one; one that outmatched his innate insecurities and incompetence because he became to the world more powerful than ever, when really he was a traumatized little child on the inside.

When they say, "with great power comes great responsibility" honestly, it's not a joke. One must be rational, decisive, just, kind, and patient. Not to mention, intelligent both cognitively and emotionally. Really, balance and good virtue are the only seeds for a humane humanity.

The problem with this philosophy is that in an environment where all basically endeavor for the "greater good" or living for their needs per say... those that live for greed may interfere with their sustaining themselves and/or others. But arguably, the more that strive to live in this regard, the less likely the seed of greed will be planted in the minds of the emotionally scarred.

Psychopathy is genetic, but even psychopaths would begin to embody traits of this compassionate sense of self that would ultimately flow with the spectrum of the justly and holistic, good.

 

[Shikamaru1994]

Nagato did not revive Yahiko because he would have died in the process. When you use the technique, you give your own life in exchange to bringing somebody back. Nagato had a mission he wished to achieve... reviving Yahiko would not have helped him.

 

[Darth Natsu Shazneel]

This is a joke...right? Naruto's hair isn't even orange :| I thought your Susano'o theory was bizarre but this is a whole new level

Don't think its a joke I think he is legitly color blind.

 

[Chikombo]

Yahiko wouldn't like Pain, he liked Nagato, he was part of the good Akatsuki. The death was still chocking for him. Nagato wouldn't want to argue with him on the new Akatsuki.

 

[The Necromancer]

There are a few theories.

1. Rinne Tensei kills the user. If this is the case (and I'm still not totally convinced that it is) then Nagato would have died trying to bring Yahiko back. This one is a bit flimsy since I have no doubt that Nagato would be willing to kill himself for his friend, but it's possible Nagato prioritized his new world over his friend, as he was the one with the Rinnegan and the power to change the world.

2. Nagato needed more practice. It's possible that Rinne Tensei requires a great deal of skill to use and that if given more time Nagato could learn to push the time back further and further until he was skilled enough to revive Madara who died so long ago.

3. Yahiko wouldn't agree with Nagato's methods. Without witnessing the death of a dear friend, Yahiko wouldn't have experienced the same pain that Nagato and Konan did, and likely wouldn't believe in Akatsuki's new goals of planetary reconstruction under a "God." It's possible that Nagato had the power to revive Yahiko at any time, but chose not to until their plans were complete. This would also explain why Yahiko's body was used for Deva Path, as he needed to keep it preserved and well defended, and converting it into Deva Path covered both of those bases.

 

[Darth Natsu Shazneel]

So he's not just trolling?

Can't be. The guy has shown this is how he acts.

 

[Calpal]

The short answer is that it would have been a plot circumvention for the intended outcome.

 

[InfiniteMugen]

There are a few theories.

1. Rinne Tensei kills the user. If this is the case (and I'm still not totally convinced that it is) then Nagato would have died trying to bring Yahiko back. This one is a bit flimsy since I have no doubt that Nagato would be willing to kill himself for his friend, but it's possible Nagato prioritized his new world over his friend, as he was the one with the Rinnegan and the power to change the world.

2. Nagato needed more practice. It's possible that Rinne Tensei requires a great deal of skill to use and that if given more time Nagato could learn to push the time back further and further until he was skilled enough to revive Madara who died so long ago.

3. Yahiko wouldn't agree with Nagato's methods. Without witnessing the death of a dear friend, Yahiko wouldn't have experienced the same pain that Nagato and Konan did, and likely wouldn't believe in Akatsuki's new goals of planetary reconstruction under a "God." It's possible that Nagato had the power to revive Yahiko at any time, but chose not to until their plans were complete. This would also explain why Yahiko's body was used for Deva Path, as he needed to keep it preserved and well defended, and converting it into Deva Path covered both of those bases.

I’ve always just assumed #3

 

[MightGai]

(Friendly Warning: If this topic has been discussed before, then it's about to be discussed again so stfu and enjoy :sdo: and trolling, baiting or bashing will be reported) We know from the Pain Assault Arc that Nagato has the power to bring dead bodies back to life, using Outer Path. However, next scan implies (by this quote “There’s still time to save those I killed when I came to Konoha”) that the powers of Outer path are restricted by time, meaning that Nagato could only revive those who are dead within a specific time range of their death. Put simply, if he killed someone an hour (or day) ago, he would be able to revive them. If he killed someone within a week (or month) it would be too late for him to revive them. Spoiler You must be registered for see images However, when Madara joined Obito on the battlefield during the War Arc, he questioned why he was revived the way he was Spoiler You must be registered for see images he went on to ask what happened to Nagato, because in his original plan he was suppose to be revived by Nagato using Rinne Tensei no Jutsu. Spoiler You must be registered for see images Which implies that not only did Nagato have the capabilities to revive someone who has been dead over a long period of time, but that Outer’s path to revive any body is not bound by the restrictions of time. So, the main question is, why did Nagato not revive Yahiko? Spoiler You must be registered for see images Many have claimed that at the time Nagato didn’t know all too much about the capabilities of Rinnegan, so he was not able to revive his fallen foe at the time. The scans above negate this claim, because even if Nagato didn’t know how to use Outer path at the time of Yahiko’s death, he could have still revived Yahiko once he learned how to use Outer path (since Outer path is not bound by time restrictions) The requirements are all there. I’m assuming Nagato was in no big fight or drained of his chakra when he learned to use Outer path, so he was fully capable of reviving Yahiko. Spoiler You must be registered for see images Not to mention that they had Yahiko’s well preserved body, and motives to bring him back to life as he was their dearest friend and died a tragic death So that leaves me with the questions of why Nagato did not bring Yahiko back to life when given the opportunity. Many have said for the sake of the plot, but that’s a no no too. Spoiler You must be registered for see images Because the chakra receivers a rinnegan is able to produce have the capabilities of restricting or controlling movement. So if the trio still wanted to stage their assault on the Hidden Leaf Village, after reviving Yahiko, Nagato could have gave him chakra receivers to transmit his chakra into Yahiko, controlling his body and using him as a temporary Deva Path. Things could have still played out the same way. Jiraiya is another question with an obvious answer. It’s because his body at the bottom of an extremely deep ocean (or river) and if he had been revived, he would have immediately drowned or been crushed by water pressure. Many say that it’s because Nagato didn’t have enough chakra to revive him, but Naruto and Konan could have given him chakra. Many say that it’s because he’s been dead for too long, but Outer path is not time bound. Many say that it’s for the sake of the plot and those people are correct. I honestly think he didn’t revive Yahiko because he was better off dead. Yahiko probably wouldn’t have even wanted to come back to life, as it would have just been emotionally stressful for all. I know that sounds like bullshit, but we’re dealing with a plot hole here. It’s a plot hole because the manga implies that Nagato could have revived Yahiko and had the motive too, but didn’t. Tell me what y’all think :sdo:​

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Couple of things:

- "There's still time to save those I killed..." = "I'm still not dead after using chibaku tensei, expending most of my chakra in this decrepit body, and I can still pull out a Rinne Tensei out of my ass". As in, it wasn't a matter of "length" of time that someone is / was dead, it's about how much did Nagato had to live in that situation.

Now that that's out of the way, here's the main answer:

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Rinne Tensei is a death sentence to those who cast it if it's used to revive someone. Also supported by a translation of the fourth databook:

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Gedou Rinnei Tensei no Jutsu

Ones life is not spared for a worthy cause (sacrifce ones life for a worthy cause), life burns after it's returned from the underworld (? I think, man this was a tough one).

Rikudou's technique, the antithesis to the path of hell, is this Jutsu (basically it's the opposite of sending one to hell, it's liberating them from hell). The ruler of hades is summoned, the life of a deceased is granted life. It's different than Edo Tensei, because one is brought perfectly back to life with the body/flesh being rejuvenated, a supreme jutsu. Nagato had the jutsu in his possession and he used it to rejuvenate everyone in the leaf village. A wondrous miracle Jutsu, of course naturally there exists an equivalent exchange. Ones life. To stake ones life, one would decisively say it's self sacrifice.

Gedou's power to return to the soul to the flesh a second time.

So in the end, even if he wanted to, he couldn't revive Yahiko without dying.

 

[Umari Senju]

Nagato did not revive Yahiko because he would have died in the process. When you use the technique, you give your own life in exchange to bringing somebody back. Nagato had a mission he wished to achieve... reviving Yahiko would not have helped him.

Thank you! Why has no one remembered this?

Every life giving Jutsu seems to result in the caster’s death. Chyo died to bring Gaara back to life.
Nagato died bringing the villagers back to life.
Obito would have died immediately if Black Zetsu wasn’t attached to his body.

He didn’t revive Yahiko because he himself would have died this nullifying Yahiko’s sacrifice and we would be deprived of Pain in the rest of the story.

 

[chaos control]

Nice analysis, but you are forgetting one thing:

Rinne tensei kills the user. Nagato would have died if he revived Yahiko or anyone. Now if you're asking why he didn't revive Yahiko at the time when he revived everyone he killed in Konoha, well I don't know. Maybe it would just be awkward for Yahiko to come back so many years later.

 

[AllKnowingShinobi]

no point he would have to sacrifice his own life, why would a rinningan user trade his life for some as lame as yahiko . not a fair trade and anyone would know that nagato dream was to save the world he was the bridge