ok and? like i said before thats obito, dont compare him with sasukes situation. obito didnt know of madaras plan to use him, sasuke didnt give a damn about obitos goals, he never cared about him. he was only with akatsuki based on what he would get from them, manga fact. so this comparison, like i said doesnt fly.
I don't know why you keep spouting the same crap about "having to know about being manipulated to be manipulated or why anyone has to care about someone's plan to be manipulated." Half the ppl who are manipulated don't know they're being manipulated, that's the point of being manipulated. Where in the manga does it show that Sasuke intentionally wanting to use Akatskui means Obito wasn't manipulating him? Did Sasuke get a Bijuu? No. Did Sasuke get to destroy Kohona? No. Did Obito have an opposition in his way eliminated? Yes. Did he get Sasuke to capture Bee? Yes. Do me a favor and post me a manga scan that contradicts what I'm saying. Like I said, I never stated Sasuke wasn't using Akatsuki because it is irrelevant to bring up anyway.
i know what it means
Apparently you don't. I tried to keep it simple for since you don't seem to understand the English language so let me give you some more definitions
manipulate (
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[muh-nip-yuh-leyt]
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verb (used with object), manipulated, manipulating.
1.
to manage or influence skillfully, especially in an unfair manner:
to manipulate people's feelings.
2.
to handle, manage, or use, especially with skill, in some process of treatment or performance:
to manipulate a large tractor.
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/məˈnɪpjʊˌleɪt/
verb
1.
(transitive) to handle or use, esp with some skill, in a process or action: to manipulate a pair of scissors
2.
to negotiate, control, or influence (something or someone) cleverly, skilfully, or deviously
manipulate
verb ma·nip·u·late \mə-ˈni-pyə-ˌlāt\
Full Definition of MANIPULATE
transitive verb
1
: to treat or operate with or as if with the hands or by mechanical means especially in a skillful manner
2
a : to manage or utilize skillfully
b : to control or play upon by artful, unfair, or insidious means especially to one's own advantage
3
: to change by artful or unfair means so as to serve one's purpose :
Find me somewhere in the manga or show me in another definition that contradicts the ones above
you dont know that, lets not delve into speculation because the manga never attempted to address that.
3. Obito manipulated Akatsuki, that's a manga fact
Obito is a liar manga fact
Obito manipulated Sasuke to help him compelete his goal manga fact
Obito manipulated the leader of Akatsuki manga fact
With the these things that have been factual shown in the manga, anyone with common sense would be able to assess this. However, I will agree to disagree since it wasn't shown in the manga
i dont know nor do i care to know because its irrelevant. sasuke didnt need it anymore hence the subject was never brought up. if you say he wouldnt have gotten it, then that would be you bringing in your own assumption which i dont care for. am only here for manga facts which is that sasuke didnt need it anymore. that simple
Ok
nope.
Yes, and you're failing bad at that
huh? you dont make sense. obito asked him to help the akatsuki because of what he(obito) would gain from it, sasuke proposed his own benefit from the situation and obito agreed. it was an agreement, how you fail to see this is completely beyond me.
What shitty logic, Madara asked Obito to help him because of what he (Madara) wanted to benefit upon completion of his goal(s) so what's your point?
Sasuke proposed his own benefit? Do you have selective reading?
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Sasuke knew nothing of the Bijuu's power it was Obito that proposed the offer and Sasuke who accepted, another form of manipulation used by Obito
to negotiate, control, or influence (something or someone) cleverly, skilfully, or deviously
and how does this change the fact that sasuke undertook the mission based on what
sasuke would gain from it? obito getting what he wanted is irrelevant because sasuke never planned to oppose whatever obito wanted to use it for, like i said he never gave a rat ass about obito and akatsukis goals, only his(sasuke) own benefits mattered in the situation from his pov. sasuke simply used the entire situation as a means of achieving something he himself would need to carry out his plan. it was a deal that would benefit both parties so therefore there was no manipulation. and before you say, "ohh sasuke didnt get anything in return" he changed his mind and never brought up the issue.
Why you keeping spouting the same shitty arguments is beyond my comprehension when I've told you that I never denied, stated or disagreed with Sasuke using Obito/Akatsuki for his own goals. Then there's the fact that your stating that Obito goals are irrlevant when it was Sasuke who completed Obito's goals for him. To also support my statment you contradict yourself when you said Sasuke didn't care and did it for his own benefit yet gained nothing (from Obito) while Obito gained what he wanted (from Sasuke). The moment he told Sasuke the truth about Itachi was the moment he had the freedom to manipulate Sasuke, which was his plan from the start.
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Then there is also the fact that you state Obito/Sasuke situation is not comparable to Madara/Obito when
- Madara saved Obito's life in return asked him to help him with his goals. Obito healed up Sasuke and told him the truth about Itachi and in return, asked Sasuke to help him
- Madara told Obito what he wanted him to know. He knew nothing Madara wanting to become the Juubi's Jin and taking the power for himself. Obito told Sasuke what he wanted him to know. He told Sasuke nothing about starting a war, reviving Madara and the Juubi, casting the world in Mugen Tskuyomi
- Obito joined Madara because his goal(s) aligned with what Madara relayed to him after he was told about erasing the old world and casting the world about in an infinite dream so he could be with Rin again. Sasuke joined Obito because his goals aligned with Obito's needed the Bijuu and Sasuke needed power to destroy Kohona.
Changing his mind is irrelevant seeing on how he still helped Obito. He needed Sasuke to eliminate an obstacle in his way and at first Sasuke refused as seen in their clash until he brought up Danzo being the hokage, part of the leaf, you know, that village that he manipulated Sasuke to turn against by not telling him the whole truth about Itachi and the leaf
you sir have been countered. btw sasuke is the one who proposed the idea of him gaining a bijju in return.
Last I remember it was Sasuke that had a stupid ass plan destined to get him killed
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good, too bad none of this applied to the obito sasuke situation. context buddy, context.
So let me get this straight. Obito did not manipulate/unfairly play upon Sasuke by misleadingly telling him about Itachi and the leaf. Manipulate/play artfully upon/
inconspicuously use Sasuke to capture Bee and kill Danzo? Go ahead, say it's irrelevant because I know that is all you can muster in the garbage pile of respsones you call a rebuttal
nope, obito never manipulated him. its not that he didnt know, he just didnt care because only his interest mattered.
I love how Sasukefaps think they are magicians and expect things or manga events not exist because "they said so." That's pretty much the same diluted, irrelevant and circular argument you keep on stating. For the millionth time, Sasuke doesn't have to care to be manipulated. Like I said, holler at me when you muster a real argument and not the fanboysim you keep stating because it doesn't fit your predilection
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