Why did nagato repeat the same realms of pain? -RT

[Rikudou Tobi]

What's the point of having separating the difference between Outer path Gedō and Naraka Path (地獄道, Jigokudō)?

Naraka path uses hades→

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↑But so does Outer path and Animal path, they can summon hades.

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Gedo can also extract souls as much as naraka and jigokudō including absorb the chakra of whatever it consumes.
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And animal path was able to summon konan→

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Animal path's kuchiyo summoning is also Gedō path too.
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So all these jutsus nagato created is just a rehash of the already existing path. It's kind of redundant but the only realm that is different from the rest is Tendo (Deva path).
I'm glad kishi changed things up with invisible realm (limbo) and amenotejakra.

 

[Darth AniCetuS]

To use all of them simultaneosly and complement each other. Plus the enhanced Rinnegan vision is another advantage and Nagato stays out of harms way too.

 

[NarutoX28]

Well, they all have different functions regardless. For instance, those three paths might invoke the Gedo, but Outer Path is only capable of revitalizing someone by restoring their sole while Naraka Path is capable of resuscitating someone whilst restoring its body in its former state and Human Path accomplishes the opposite by killing off their opposition whilst retrieving all of their information instantaneously. Different functions overall.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

To use all of them simultaneosly and complement each other. Plus the enhanced Rinnegan vision is another advantage and Nagato stays out of harms way too.

I'm saying that all these paths basically have the same ability or different variant of Outerpath. He can use these different pain's with their own unique abilities before they died.

 

[Styles]

Because he didn't create none of those the Rinnegan already had those abilities. He just gave each pain a certain six path ability.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

Well, they all have different functions regardless. For instance, those three paths might invoke the Gedo, but Outer Path is only capable of revitalizing someone by restoring their sole while Naraka Path is capable of resuscitating someone whilst restoring its body in its former state and Human Path accomplishes the opposite by killing off their opposition whilst retrieving all of their information instantaneously. Different functions overall.

Gedo also takes people's souls too. It's an enslavement jutsu. naraka realm can only restore Pain's body, any other person would not be able to restore their physical appearance. Both naraka and jigokudō retrieve information's as well.
Nagato basically took a path (outer path) and created separate categories for 5 realms while actually using unique techniques like shinra tensei and bansho tenin with Deva path.

Because he didn't create none of those the Rinnegan already had those abilities. He just gave each pain a certain six path ability.

Yeah okay, don't tell me Hagormoo or whatever created a jutsu where konan is a animal path summoning and a jutsu where hagormoo can turn his head into a laser canon.
The six path jutsus madara was talking about the six pain jutsus nagato uses are completely different.

 

[Holy God]

The Outer Path is beyond that of the others. It is concerned with everything to do with life and death, while the Hell Path is only to do with the Hell King himself. It is the ability that created the Demonic Statue, chakra receivers, and allows passing to and from the afterlife. Don't think of it as an actual path, which is why it is excluded in the collective Six Paths Techniques.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

The Outer Path is beyond that of the others. It is concerned with everything to do with life and death, while the Hell Path is only to do with the Hell King himself. It is the ability that created the Demonic Statue, chakra receivers, and allows passing to and from the afterlife. Don't think of it as an actual path, which is why it is excluded in the collective Six Paths Techniques.

Nagato just used hell path for gedo life restoration. The other two paths decide life or death in the palm of their hand. You see the similarities?

 

[Styles]

Gedo also takes people's souls too. It's an enslavement jutsu. naraka realm can only restore Pain's body, any other person would not be able to restore their physical appearance. Both naraka and jigokudō retrieve information's as well.
Nagato basically took a path (outer path) and created separate categories for 5 realms while actually using unique techniques like shinra tensei and bansho tenin with Deva path.

Yeah okay, don't tell me Hagormoo or whatever created a jutsu where konan is a animal path summoning and a jutsu where hagormoo can turn his head into a laser canon.
The six path jutsus madara was talking about the six pain jutsus nagato uses are completely different.

Man lol you're way past denial. Those techniques Nagato is using are simple six paths abilities that every Rinnegan user has. Hagoromo also summoned team 7 from Kaguya's world with the same ability.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

Man lol you're way past denial. Those techniques Nagato is using are simple six paths abilities that every Rinnegan user has. Hagoromo also summoned team 7 from Kaguya's world with the same ability.

Hagoromoo summoned every gokage in history from the dead without Hades and I thought Hagoromoo can summon anybody he's come in contact with directly and indirectly. I'm yet to see a limitation on who hagormoo can and can't summon.

 

[Holy God]

Nagato just used hell path for gedo life restoration. The other two paths decide life or death in the palm of their hand. You see the similarities?

I don't know what two paths you're talking about. The Hell Path is the only one besides the Outer to deal with souls. On that note, the Hell Path, to my knowledge, can only manipulate souls outside the Hell King and cannot re-infuse them into bodies. The Outer Path is required to allow the crossover from the afterlife to life and has the ability to manipulate these souls to a far greater degree. Not only that, but this property seems to resonate with chakra as well, which is why the Demonic Statue is used to collect large amounts and chakra rods are a byproduct of the path.

In essence, I get that it is unfavorable to have the manipulation of souls practically split between two paths, but that is why the Outer Path is abstractly not one to begin with.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

I don't know what two paths you're talking about. The Hell Path is the only one besides the Outer to deal with souls. On that note, the Hell Path, to my knowledge, can only manipulate souls outside the Hell King and cannot re-infuse them into bodies. The Outer Path is required to allow the crossover from the afterlife to life and has the ability to manipulate these souls to a far greater degree. Not only that, but this property seems to resonate with chakra as well, which is why the Demonic Statue is used to collect large amounts and chakra rods are a byproduct of the path.

In essence, I get that it is unfavorable to have the manipulation of souls practically split between two paths, but that is why the Outer Path is abstractly not one to begin with.

The two paths I was talking about is human and hell path, that typically deal with extracting souls and retaining info like Gedo.
As for Hell realm, the Hades that is typically used for Hell realm used for Outer path on the leaf village.
So how is Outer path not generally in the same plainfield to begin with when they all manipulate the seizing and restoration of souls?

Since Naraka path takes the souls he also restores them

Outer too

 

[UnknownJin]

Since Naraka path takes the souls he also restores them

 

[Holy God]

The two paths I was talking about is human and hell path, that typically deal with extracting souls and retaining info like Gedo.
As for Hell realm, the Hades that is typically used for Hell realm used for Outer path on the leaf village.
So how is Outer path not generally in the same plainfield to begin with when they all manipulate the seizing and restoration of souls?

Ah, I forgot about Human Path. In that case, I've come up with what I believe to be correct. The Human Path is the ability to read the soul, the Hell Path is the ability to judge the soul, and the Outer Path is the ability to govern the soul. None can use the others powers. The Human Path has no correlation with the Hell King, the Hell Path has no correlation to souls (in its actual usage shown by the Six Paths of Pain), and the Outer Path is shown to rule over all aspects of life. They're really just branches of the same power, like I believe you're saying.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

Ah, I forgot about Human Path. In that case, I've come up with what I believe to be correct. The Human Path is the ability to read the soul, the Hell Path is the ability to judge the soul, and the Outer Path is the ability to govern the soul. None can use the others powers. The Human Path has no correlation with the Hell King, the Hell Path has no correlation to souls (in its actual usage shown by the Six Paths of Pain), and the Outer Path is shown to rule over all aspects of life. They're really just branches of the same power, like I believe you're saying.

So the only difference really would be Human being able to read minds on contact while the others cannot but I have a section on question about that for later. Still both Hell path and Outer path uses hades to manipulate souls, if they were so different in power, we wouldn't have both these paths summoning the same thing.

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[Holy God]

So the only difference really would be Human being able to read minds on contact while the others cannot but I have a section on question about that for later. Still both Hell path and Outer path uses hades to manipulate souls, if they were so different in power, we wouldn't have both these paths summoning the same thing.

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The Hell Path only judges the souls. Within the Six Paths of Pain, the Hell Path could only ask people questions, and if they lied they were killed by the Hell King. I don't believe it even did anything with souls. The Outer Path uses the Hell King to transfer souls though. Just because they summon the same thing, does not mean they can both use it in the same manner would be where I'm getting at.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

The Hell Path only judges the souls. Within the Six Paths of Pain, the Hell Path could only ask people questions, and if they lied they were killed by the Hell King. I don't believe it even did anything with souls. The Outer Path uses the Hell King to transfer souls though. Just because they summon the same thing, does not mean they can both use it in the same manner would be where I'm getting at.

So you're saying that despite Outerpath being able to summon Hades the king of hell doesn't mean he can use the power of Hades?
Do you have any databook 3bscans on the heretical path?

 

[Holy God]

So you're saying that despite Outerpath being able to summon Hades the king of hell doesn't mean he can use the power of Hades?
Do you have any databook 3bscans on the heretical path?

Yes. They both summon the same being but use it differently. I'm sure everyone can agree the Hell Path isn't going to be summoning souls like Nagato did with the Outer Path. That leaves it open to my belief. I don't have Datebook 3, but now reading Databook 4, it says that the Hell Path is that of death and the Outer Path that of life. The only direct comparison stated is that Rinne Rebirth is the complete opposite of the Hell Path.

 

[Styles]

Hagoromoo summoned every gokage in history from the dead without Hades and I thought Hagoromoo can summon anybody he's come in contact with directly and indirectly. I'm yet to see a limitation on who hagormoo can and can't summon.

Hagoromo used the other kages to help him because he himself had no chakra because he gave nearly all of it to Naruto and Sasuke. But it's still the same as what animal pain did with konan.