Why did Minato got tire while transporting Kurama?

[kiiro]

Hello, how are you People of the #BASE? Well, Friends I make this thread by the confusion that I have seen in several threads on because Minato could teletrasport the Juubidama of the Juubi when in life he got tired by teletrasporting the Kyubi being this smaller than the JuubiDama. First of all I think it necessary to review the concepts about the chakra in Naruto.

Part 1 (Basic Concepts)

Chakra

The Chakra is the vital energy of the body, which is essential for any jutsu, even for the most basic, is a mixture of the physical energy present in every cell of the body of the living being and the spiritual energy acquired through exercise and experience. Once mixed, it can be channeled through the chakra's circulatory system. Through several methods, the most common is manual seals, the chakra can be manipulated to create an effect that would not otherwise be possible: walking on water, climbing trees without hands, exhaling fire or creating illusions .

We already have the concept of the chakra. Also note the following image:

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There Ebisu explains that the chakra depends on the resistance (stamina) of the Ninja. And by combining the physical energy (located in each cell) and the spiritual energy it is able to obtain the chakra (Stamina becoming chakra). In any given case of converting

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and using all that energy the Ninja can die. Recalling also that the combination of these energies

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that is to say, 50% physical energy and 50% spiritual energy.

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In the image above Ebisu explains that you have to mold or make the chakra to perform a technique according to the amount needed. This explains why Minato had to be still for a while while molding his Stamina (Physical Energy and Natural Energy) to chakra to teleport Kurama.


By this we understand that in a body, even without converting your stamina to chakra, you still have your physical energy (in every cell of the body) and your spiritual energy. So Kurama to be at least 2000 times bigger (Or more) than h,e has a lot of physical energy so it is much more difficult to teleport than a manifestation of chakra like Naruto in his Biju Mode because there already has a certain level of chakra released but not all what Naruto can release. (Basics of Summoning)

The physical energy depends in a certain way on the mass and Kurama is a great mass and has come out so much chakra of him that it can easily be said to pose much more energy than that BD of Juubi, therefore transfer a BijuDama that already has its level Of determined energy of the Juubi or of Kurama would be much easier compared to the amount of energy (Resistance) that counts Kurama which should have been a greater load for Minato.

Part Two (Advantages of being Edo)

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Many will say that Minato could teleport the Juubi's TBB because it was Edo, when in fact that has nothing to do. Let me explain why.

When being revived as Edo your levels of power therefore decrease also the amount of chakra you can possess. It is clear that he is in Edo but still has its limitations, the character has a base chakra and also a limit of chakra that can store his body

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I mean that his container and the even being alive, could not increase its amount of chakra, now as am Edo its chakra is regenerated, that is, it has unlimited chakra, but not infinite chakra that is what would be needed to do things as monstrous as transporting the Juubi or things like that.

The clearest example is when Minato got tired of

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outside the barrier and that was as Edo. When transporting to Kurama use Hiraishin no jutsu that is based on traveling from one point to another spending your own chakra and if you carry such thing as Kurama it is normal that it cost more. And even Minato points out that it takes

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Let me explain a little better, being Edo implies having your stats reduced in exchange for unlimited chakra and immortality. For example, Minato, let's say Alive Minato has 10 chakra points , which equals 100% of his power. When brought as Edo that level is reduced and for practical examples suppose that Orochimaru brought them to life with only 60% of its power. That means that Edo Minato will have only 6 chakra points but with the benefit that that chakra would be unlimited. If he spends them he recovers them, so it is the cramp. That is the advantage of being Edo.

Now, suppose the previous case was Tobirama, he said that his limit

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while doing the barrier. That is in his first attempt, if he waits for his chakra to return, he can again use 2 clones at a time. So, being Edo will not allow you to do things that in life you can not do suddenly at first try. But if he were alive, he could do at least 2 more clones (maybe) having 100% of his reserves of chakra, only with the disadvantage that the rest of the war he could not recover the lost chakra at least that he rested. That is why Shikamaru claims that only the

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could continue fighting since the alliance was very exhausted.

Part Three (Comparisons)

It is assumed that the Biju's are chakra that took physical form, that is why Kurama is in the bones when Naruto takes away a great part of his chakra and yet still could do a bijudama bigger than him (showing again that it owns a great amount Of chakra).

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I will also add that Kakashi when he teleported all Hachibi with Kamui he was exhausted to the point of falling into Sai arms. And that Kakashi had his chakra and Kurama. Who said that it was 3 times more times more power. Besides that Kurama is much bigger and powerful than Hachibi which would require more chakra. Half Kurama = the size of the Hachibi. (Kurama has more physical energy)

So if Naruto had

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more chakra than Kakashi. While Kakashi has 3 times his chakra to move Hachibi, then Minato clearly has this level of chakra.

Another example that he is a chakra tank. Here is a easier example:

Kuchiyose no Jutsu: Gamabunta.

We have seen throughout the series the size of Gamabunta and the expense of chakra that this requires to be invoked (Naruto in the first season, at first, needed Kyubi chakra).
Look at its size:

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If this being requires so much chakra to be invoked, it is not surprising, that the Kyubi:

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That is about 2-3 times bigger, it costs so much chakra to be moved by a space-time jutsu similar to an invocation, as it is the case of Hiraishin.

Conclusion

Is this low chakra level?
I think there's no better evidence than that to say it was a chakra tank.

So moving large masses with the Hiraishin costs a lot of chakra. Showing so if it was a tank of chakra compared to great beasts of the ninja world. Kurama is about 3 times heavier than Gamabunta so it would be 3 chakra points per invocation.

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[NarutoX28]

He was revived as Jinchuuriki of some sorts which would bolster his chakra levels as was the case with Kinkaku and Ginkaku which would explain why there's a discrepancy present.

 

[kiiro]

He was revived as Jinchuuriki of some sorts which would bolster his chakra levels as was the case with Kinkaku and Ginkaku which would explain why there's a discrepancy present.

Not really, but tell me where?

 

[NarutoX28]

Not really, but tell me where?

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It was hinted here. Both can wield the treasures due to Kurama's chakra and both cannot even use it unless they're enraged. Clearly, Kurama enhanced their normal reserves and it could explain why Edo Minato did more than what he could do when he was Alive.

 

[Exaar]

He was revived as Jinchuuriki of some sorts which would bolster his chakra levels as was the case with Kinkaku and Ginkaku which would explain why there's a discrepancy present.

Being a jin shouldn't effect base minato chakra levels, It takes time for the two chakra to mix like it did with naruto's.

It only boosts his chakra levels when he enters BM mode, In base his chakra levels should be the same as they were when he was alive.

 

[NarutoX28]

Being a jin shouldn't effect base minato chakra levels, It takes time for the two chakra to mix like it did with naruto's.

It only boosts his chakra levels when he enters BM mode, In base his chakra levels should be the same as they were when he was alive.

Kin and Gin suggests otherwise.

 

[Exaar]

Kin and Gin suggests otherwise.

It really doesn't.

All that says is they borne his chakra, we don't know how much time had passed since they were spat out by kurama nor how much time had passed until his chakra directly effected theirs.

besides they were alive when they gained his chakra, Thus giving their chakra's time to mix, Minato died moments after sealing him within himself giving his body little to no time to adjust, plus unlike them he had a seal placed on himself thus limiting the chakra he was exposed to.

 

[NarutoX28]

It really doesn't.

All that says is they borne his chakra, we don't know how much time had passed since they were spat out by kurama nor how much time had passed until his chakra directly effected theirs.

besides they were alive when they gained his chakra, Thus giving their chakra's time to mix, Minato died moments after sealing him within himself giving his body little to no time to adjust, plus unlike them he had a seal placed on himself thus limiting the chakra he was exposed to.

The only reason that Naruto's chakras had mixed with Kurama's was not entirely due to time because we're told that Minato designed the seal in a way that allowed Kurama's chakra to merge with Naruto's and thus, bestow him with more time to grow accustomed to Kurama's chakra. Kinkaku and Ginkaku did not have such a benefit.

The only thing we're told here is that Kinkaku and Ginkaku were borne with his chakra, thus, they're capable of going beyond their limits by wielding Rikudou's tools. Minato also bears Kurama's chakra as well which would naturally enable him to go beyond his limits as well.

Also, the seal was likely removed hence why Minato can enter BM voluntarily.

 

[kiiro]

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It was hinted here. Both can wield the treasures due to Kurama's chakra and both cannot even use it unless they're enraged. Clearly, Kurama enhanced their normal reserves and it could explain why Edo Minato did more than what he could do when he was Alive.

Ok, you can use Kurama's chakra or yours. There is a lot of examples. Jiraiya training Naruto to summon Gamabunta. Jiraiya made Naruto used Kurama's chakra and his. Kakashi training Naruto to do rasen shuriken, Kakashi made Naruto use Kurama's chakra and not his only.

Neji vs Naruto, Neji made Naruto's chakra useless which is the reason Naruto used Kurama's.

FTG is a tecnic you cant use Kurama's chakra since the requirement is that it needs to be linked with you directly or by your chakra.

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Here we can even see that there chaka is separated. It is your decision to use Kurama's chakra for a jutsu if it is possible.

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And this one is clear, Minato cant use FTG because he doesn't have chakra while he has Kurama's cloat.

 

[Uzumaki sensei]

It really doesn't.

All that says is they borne his chakra, we don't know how much time had passed since they were spat out by kurama nor how much time had passed until his chakra directly effected theirs.

besides they were alive when they gained his chakra, Thus giving their chakra's time to mix, Minato died moments after sealing him within himself giving his body little to no time to adjust, plus unlike them he had a seal placed on himself thus limiting the chakra he was exposed to.

they said the werein kurama a few days before he threw them up

 

[Uzumaki sensei]

Hello, how are you People of the #BASE? Well, Friends I make this thread by the confusion that I have seen in several threads on because Minato could teletrasport the Juubidama of the Juubi when in life he got tired by teletrasporting the Kyubi being this smaller than the JuubiDama. First of all I think it necessary to review the concepts about the chakra in Naruto.

Part 1 (Basic Concepts)

Chakra



We already have the concept of the chakra. Also note the following image:

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There Ebisu explains that the chakra depends on the resistance (stamina) of the Ninja. And by combining the physical energy (located in each cell) and the spiritual energy it is able to obtain the chakra (Stamina becoming chakra). In any given case of converting

You must be registered for see links

and using all that energy the Ninja can die. Recalling also that the combination of these energies

You must be registered for see links

that is to say, 50% physical energy and 50% spiritual energy.

You must be registered for see images

In the image above Ebisu explains that you have to mold or make the chakra to perform a technique according to the amount needed. This explains why Minato had to be still for a while while molding his Stamina (Physical Energy and Natural Energy) to chakra to teleport Kurama.


By this we understand that in a body, even without converting your stamina to chakra, you still have your physical energy (in every cell of the body) and your spiritual energy. So Kurama to be at least 2000 times bigger (Or more) than h,e has a lot of physical energy so it is much more difficult to teleport than a manifestation of chakra like Naruto in his Biju Mode because there already has a certain level of chakra released but not all what Naruto can release. (Basics of Summoning)

The physical energy depends in a certain way on the mass and Kurama is a great mass and has come out so much chakra of him that it can easily be said to pose much more energy than that BD of Juubi, therefore transfer a BijuDama that already has its level Of determined energy of the Juubi or of Kurama would be much easier compared to the amount of energy (Resistance) that counts Kurama which should have been a greater load for Minato.

Part Two (Advantages of being Edo)

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Many will say that Minato could teleport the Juubi's TBB because it was Edo, when in fact that has nothing to do. Let me explain why.

When being revived as Edo your levels of power therefore decrease also the amount of chakra you can possess. It is clear that he is in Edo but still has its limitations, the character has a base chakra and also a limit of chakra that can store his body

You must be registered for see links

I mean that his container and the even being alive, could not increase its amount of chakra, now as am Edo its chakra is regenerated, that is, it has unlimited chakra, but not infinite chakra that is what would be needed to do things as monstrous as transporting the Juubi or things like that.

The clearest example is when Minato got tired of

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outside the barrier and that was as Edo. When transporting to Kurama use Hiraishin no jutsu that is based on traveling from one point to another spending your own chakra and if you carry such thing as Kurama it is normal that it cost more. And even Minato points out that it takes

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Let me explain a little better, being Edo implies having your stats reduced in exchange for unlimited chakra and immortality. For example, Minato, let's say Alive Minato has 10 chakra points , which equals 100% of his power. When brought as Edo that level is reduced and for practical examples suppose that Orochimaru brought them to life with only 60% of its power. That means that Edo Minato will have only 6 chakra points but with the benefit that that chakra would be unlimited. If he spends them he recovers them, so it is the cramp. That is the advantage of being Edo.

Now, suppose the previous case was Tobirama, he said that his limit

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while doing the barrier. That is in his first attempt, if he waits for his chakra to return, he can again use 2 clones at a time. So, being Edo will not allow you to do things that in life you can not do suddenly at first try. But if he were alive, he could do at least 2 more clones (maybe) having 100% of his reserves of chakra, only with the disadvantage that the rest of the war he could not recover the lost chakra at least that he rested. That is why Shikamaru claims that only the

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could continue fighting since the alliance was very exhausted.

Part Three (Comparisons)

It is assumed that the Biju's are chakra that took physical form, that is why Kurama is in the bones when Naruto takes away a great part of his chakra and yet still could do a bijudama bigger than him (showing again that it owns a great amount Of chakra).

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I will also add that Kakashi when he teleported all Hachibi with Kamui he was exhausted to the point of falling into Sai arms. And that Kakashi had his chakra and Kurama. Who said that it was 3 times more times more power. Besides that Kurama is much bigger and powerful than Hachibi which would require more chakra. Half Kurama = the size of the Hachibi. (Kurama has more physical energy)

So if Naruto had

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more chakra than Kakashi. While Kakashi has 3 times his chakra to move Hachibi, then Minato clearly has this level of chakra.

Another example that he is a chakra tank. Here is a easier example:

Kuchiyose no Jutsu: Gamabunta.

We have seen throughout the series the size of Gamabunta and the expense of chakra that this requires to be invoked (Naruto in the first season, at first, needed Kyubi chakra).
Look at its size:

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If this being requires so much chakra to be invoked, it is not surprising, that the Kyubi:

Spoiler

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That is about 2-3 times bigger, it costs so much chakra to be moved by a space-time jutsu similar to an invocation, as it is the case of Hiraishin.

Conclusion

Is this low chakra level?
I think there's no better evidence than that to say it was a chakra tank.

So moving large masses with the Hiraishin costs a lot of chakra. Showing so if it was a tank of chakra compared to great beasts of the ninja world. Kurama is about 3 times heavier than Gamabunta so it would be 3 chakra points per invocation.

PS: Please visit and read the Minato Chakra Level theme. (Coming soon)

Thanks

he got tired in transporting the nine tail becasue his chakra was limited in life it took time to recharge so to say but as an edo having an unlimited amount of chakra and being revived close to his original power he could keep using it as he wanted but was resticted by plot

 

[kiiro]

he got tired in transporting the nine tail becasue his chakra was limited in life it took time to recharge so to say but as an edo having an unlimited amount of chakra and being revived close to his original power he could keep using it as he wanted but was resticted by plot

Yes, still is a big feat a I showed why. I also showedd that his Edo feats he can do them if he were alive.

 

[SenseiSama]

Controlling Kurama requires compatibility with his chakra that only Uzumki possess and it requires a level of stamina that non-Uzumaki do not have.

Remember Sasuke's reaction to Naruto using BSM ? That was because he realized only Ashura incarnates can control that level of chakra mass


Inb4 Edo Minato, he was not in a living body therefore didn't possess any of the physical restrictions to stop him from using Kurama's chakra

 

[kiiro]

Controlling Kurama requires compatibility with his chakra that only Uzumki possess and it requires a level of stamina that non-Uzumaki do not have.

Remember Sasuke's reaction to Naruto using BSM ? That was because he realized only Ashura incarnates can control that level of chakra mass


Inb4 Edo Minato, he was not in a living body therefore didn't possess any of the physical restrictions to stop him from using Kurama's chakra

WTF?

1.- No where is said you need to be Uzumaki.
2.- No where is said you need certain level of stamina.
3.- Sasuke didnt even knew Naruto was Ashura's incarnate.
4.- Alive Minato > Edo Minato. Edo Minato is an inferior version of Alive Minato but inmortal and with unlimited chakra.


Dont know from where you get those stuff. Those are only speculations.

 

[Eng nawashi]

-Kuarma's body without its nine tails is nearly as big as Gamabunta but many times bigger if we included its 9 tails considering the single tail is around the size of Kuarma's body.

-Kuarma and Hachibi are of the same size .

-Kakashi with 3x his chakra warped the Hachibi twice not just once .also it is invalid comparison since Kamui and FtG are two different Jutsus .they don't necessarily cost the same amount of chakra. However the comparison between FTG and Summoning Jutsu is valid as they are basically the same Jutsu .

-Juibi TTB is so much bigger than anything alive Minato had ever teleported which suggests that he used Kuarma's chakra .

 

[kiiro]

-Kuarma's body without its nine tails is nearly as big as Gamabunta but many times bigger if we included its 9 tails considering the single tail is around the size of Kuarma's body.

-Kuarma and Hachibi are of the same size .

-Kakashi with 3x his chakra warped the Hachibi twice not just once .also it is invalid comparison since Kamui and FtG are two different Jutsus .they don't necessarily cost the same amount of chakra. However the comparison between FTG and Summoning Jutsu is valid as they are basically the same Jutsu .

-Juibi TTB is so much bigger than anything alive Minato had ever teleported which suggests that he used Kuarma's chakra .

1.- Without tails is bigger, look at him when he was summon. Gamabunta was buildings size and Kurama was taller.
2.- Yang Kurama and Hachibi are the same size. Not full Kurama and Hachibi.
3.- You are right. But Full Kurama > Hachibi size. But I dont remeber it was twice. Could you help me with this. I remember it was once when he put him in and once he put it out his kamui.

4.- FTG cant be used with Kurama's chakra.

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This scan suggest it. Minato with Kurama's chaka unable to use FTG. It is feat of his iwn to wrap the Juubi bomb.

 

[Uzumaki sensei]

WTF?

1.- No where is said you need to be Uzumaki.
2.- No where is said you need certain level of stamina.
3.- Sasuke didnt even knew Naruto was Ashura's incarnate.
4.- Alive Minato > Edo Minato. Edo Minato is an inferior version of Alive Minato but inmortal and with unlimited chakra.


Dont know from where you get those stuff. Those are only speculations.

alive minato gets wrecked by edo minato

 

[kiiro]

alive minato gets wrecked by edo minato

Maybe becuase Kurama power. But who knows.

Also, you didnt proof nothing.

 

[NarutoX28]

Except Minato can use Kurama's chakra to supplement his own jutsu. The only prerequisite is that he still has chakra left, but other than that, he can use Kurama's chakra to augment its effects for the same reason that Kakashi and the Shinobi Alliance can use Kurama's chakra to augment the results of their jutsu or why Juubidara's CT feat far exceeds anything he could do prior to the Juubi.

All that you've proven is that Minato cannot use Hiraishin with only Kurama's chakra since it is a technique linked to his own chakra and DNA which is practically a given, but you have not proven that Kurama's chakra is somehow impertinent to Minato's own jutsu when it is pertinent for practically every other jutsu illustrated in the manga.

 

[InfiniteMugen]

Tl dr, but why are you even comparing him teleporting something and him sealing half of kurama in him? Plus, he didn't make himself a jinchuuriki per se, he used the reaper death seal... And btw, as senseisama said, I'm pretty sure it's mentioned that kushina(and thus naruto) where more compatible with the kyuubi than most iirc