Why Current Sasuke > All 5 Kages

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I had to respond to this considering this post has a lot of flaws in it. For one amaterasu instantly appears wherever the user looks regardless the distance.

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Amaterasu doesn't travel.

Secondly the arrows are made of chakra so it makes no difference where they're traveling whether it's the ground or in the air. I don't know what kind of logic that is.

Thirdly where is it ever stated susanoo can only be used on the ground? Madara has had no problem forming and using it in mid air. It's pure chakra meaning Sasuke should have no problem being able to use it on his hawk.

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And lastly not many shinobi have fought against an Uchiha with the MS. Sasuke has that and tsukuyomi comes along with it. Yes it may not be as potent as Itachi's, but it does still paralyze anyone it hits as it did with Bee before the hachibi woke him up from it. I was only saying that not all shinobi can fight looking at someones feet as Guy can, so it's not logical to bring that into a debate when discussing an uchiha vs whoever.
That does not prove that Ameratasu appears instantly at its target. Your suggesting that it's some kind of S/T dojutsu formed from the eyes onto its target. I have never seen this stated in the manga. And based on the fact that Nagato said the air pressure changed when he thought Itachi was about to use it I would think its merely a high speed attack. Your also assuming that Sasuke can use Susanoo on his Hawk. This also has not been shown in the manga. I would also consider this very unlikely as a chakra mass like Susanoo has weight. And given that Susanoo is not known to be able to move very fast I highly doubt that a Hawk can carry Susanoo or at the very least be able to fly with something that big on its back. As to the arrow arguement the sand ball is not stationary in the air so it is unlikely that it can hit when Gaara has 360 degrees of movement.

As to genjutsu if he had the chance to beat Gaara, Mei, A, and Onoki with it then why didn't he use it? He was fighting with all of them and was looking them in the eyes.
 

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would u plz.. Scratch some OF those people.. Since when darui bet an sharingan user? Mei wat the holy f? Onoki? Did u just read the manga? Madara raped him already? Danzo? His dead he was killed ny sasuke right, oh my bad... Gaara? Wtf again.. Tsunade u must be dreaming dude.. Naruto? Sasuke **** him many tyms already
No your question was who fought an Uchiha without losing to genjutsu. All of these ninjas have fought an Uchiha and didn't die by genjutsu.

And why do you keep triple posting?
 

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That does not prove that Ameratasu appears instantly at its target. Your suggesting that it's some kind of S/T dojutsu formed from the eyes onto its target. I have never seen this stated in the manga. And based on the fact that Nagato said the air pressure changed when he thought Itachi was about to use it I would think its merely a high speed attack. Your also assuming that Sasuke can use Susanoo on his Hawk. This also has not been shown in the manga. I would also consider this very unlikely as a chakra mass like Susanoo has weight. And given that Susanoo is not known to be able to move very fast I highly doubt that a Hawk can carry Susanoo or at the very least be able to fly with something that big on its back. As to the arrow arguement the sand ball is not stationary in the air so it is unlikely that it can hit when Gaara has 360 degrees of movement.

As to genjutsu if he had the chance to beat Gaara, Mei, A, and Onoki with it then why didn't he use it? He was fighting with all of them and was looking them in the eyes.
I never said it was a s/t jutsu, but it is stated in the manga that it appears wherever the user looks. As for the susanoo argument Madara has no problem moving around in his susanoo meaning it's clearly not heavy at all. It's simply chakra, nothing more and it's never been stated to be heavy.

When has Gaara's sand ball ever moved? If you're referring to what I think you're referring to you mean this right?

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If so that ball has never moved when Gaara's used it. Unless you're referring to rotating, which would still be meaningless because Sasuke can still use his arrows to piece it or destroy it by firing a bunch of arrows at it.

As for the genjutsu argument looking into an Uchiha's eyes doesn't automatically put someone in a genjutsu. They have to actually use the jutsu first like Sasuke did here.

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He clearly paralyzed Shi here with some sort of genjutsu. As for why he didn't use it verse the kages you'd have to ask Kishi that question, but know this just because he didn't use it doesn't mean it wouldn't work.

As I've said multiple times Gaara's shown no resistance to genjutsu.
 
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sasuke can beat all of them one on one except gaara because no matter how powerful you may be his jutsu are out of this world he will bury you alive unless you have a tail beast inside you that can help you use a tail beast bomb.
in fact, gaara demonstrated that even with susano as defense he still canbreak through it and pull you out of there plus his sand so fast that he block sasuke amaterasus attack before and have a ton of chakra too plus sealing.
 

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sasuke can beat all of them one on one except gaara because no matter how powerful you may be his jutsu are out of this world he will bury you alive unless you have a tail beast inside you that can help you use a tail beast bomb.
in fact, gaara demonstrated that even with susano as defense he still canbreak through it and pull you out of there plus his sand so fast that he block sasuke amaterasus attack before and have a ton of chakra too plus sealing.
Gaara was only able to do that against Madara due to being in a desert with sand underneath him and Onoki being able to lighten his sand.
 
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No your question was who fought an Uchiha without losing to genjutsu. All of these ninjas have fought an Uchiha and didn't die by genjutsu.

And why do you keep triple posting?

am quite new here..
wat i meant is those people who fought an em or ems user and actually beat them in der game..and for ur info.. a GENJUTSU CANT KILL bro its disrupt chakra to disorient the loser that was caught on it..
 
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dude. idk if u have been watching the manga but gaara is stronger now. and the fact u brought up his past fights is irrelevant. deidara and sasuke have 2 different styles and cant be compared, and plus gaara was defending the village. Another fact is that if sasuke didnt absorb orochimaru he would of already been dead.
bro he is weaker now.. his not as the same level when shikaku has still inside him.. unlike b4 his sand is vast more powerful and huge when he is using it, but sadly at the present his using his own charka.. a portion of its power was left behind.. his lucky is still able to control the sand after the extrction of shikaku
 

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No this is not a troll thread. I'll go down 1 by 1 to prove to you guys.

This is 1v1 situations.

- Gaara.
The main thing about Gaara is getting by his sand defence. However Sasuke just so happens to have chidori and it's variations to rip right through his sand.

- Raikage.
Raikage likes to launch physical attacks at his opponents. To bad for him Sasuke can cover his Susanno with amateretsu. This won't be like last time when Raikage was sacrificing limbs just to put a crack in an incomplete susanno to graze his hand against sasukes cheek.

Sasuke has total mastery of Amateretsu and Susanno. On top of that he has genjutsu.
-Tsunade I don't think I have to take the time to actually give a reason to why Sasuke will win this.

- Oonoki.
Now this is a tough one. Oonoki dust release can be used at long range and onnoki can fly. Main reason I think Sasuke will win is because of Tsuyomi. It might not be as good as Itachi's however it will paralyze him just like it did C.
- Mei.
Same as Oonoki. Plus not fast enough to dodge Susanno Arrows or Amateretsu.

(Alot of spelling errors I know)

Tell me what you guys think.



Woah Woah Woah 1 on 1 of course XD
I will say that I almost agree with you on all of your points. The one thing I want to note is that Tsunade would be a pain in the ass for Sasuke to kill because she is somewhat immortal with her cell splitting ability. He would have to kill her several times if genjutsu did not work on her for some reason, while trying to counter her attacks

And the other point I want to make is that IMO, Onoki would beat an EMS Sasuke. Onoki should have enough power, experience, and intelligence to beat Sasuke even if he is that old if he started out at full power. He also should know how to counter Sasuke's genjustu and other various techniques with the amount of experience he's had, especially from fighting Madara, twice..... I personally think that Onoki is the most powerful Kage alive
 

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I never said it was a s/t jutsu, but it is stated in the manga that it appears wherever the user looks.
You said Ameratasu appears instantly at its target wherever the user is looking regardless of distance. That is space time manipulation.

As for the susanoo argument Madara has no problem moving around in his susanoo meaning it's clearly not heavy at all. It's simply chakra, nothing more and it's never been stated to be heavy.
It is well known that Chakra is heavy. Konohamaru uses a clone to carry his rasengan. Naruto stated that TBB was heavy, there is even a picture of him struggling to hold one. How can a chakra mass like Susanoo not be heavy? Also when was Madara moving with his Susanoo? And even if Madara could move very fast, it does not prove that Sasuke can nor does it prove that the Hawk can fly while carrying Sasuke with Susanoo.

When has Gaara's sand ball ever moved? If you're referring to what I think you're referring to you mean this right?

If so that ball has never moved when Gaara's used it. Unless you're referring to rotating, which would still be meaningless because Sasuke can still use his arrows to piece it or destroy it by firing a bunch of arrows at it.
Gaara was able to move it so we know that the ball is not immobile. We know that Gaara is holding sand up in the air so why couldn't it move?

As for the genjutsu argument looking into an Uchiha's eyes doesn't automatically put someone in a genjutsu. They have to actually use the jutsu first like Sasuke did here.

He clearly paralyzed Shi here with some sort of genjutsu. As for why he didn't use it verse the kages you'd have to ask Kishi that question, but know this just because he didn't use it doesn't mean it wouldn't work.

As I've said multiple times Gaara's shown no resistance to genjutsu.
You have to look into an Uchiha's eyes to be caught in a genjutsu. Not possible while Gaara is in sand ball. Maybe Onoki but not Gaara.
 

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You said Ameratasu appears instantly at its target wherever the user is looking regardless of distance. That is space time manipulation.



It is well known that Chakra is heavy. Konohamaru uses a clone to carry his rasengan. Naruto stated that TBB was heavy, there is even a picture of him struggling to hold one. How can a chakra mass like Susanoo not be heavy? Also when was Madara moving with his Susanoo? And even if Madara could move very fast, it does not prove that Sasuke can nor does it prove that the Hawk can fly while carrying Sasuke with Susanoo.



Gaara was able to move it so we know that the ball is not immobile. We know that Gaara is holding sand up in the air so why couldn't it move?



You have to look into an Uchiha's eyes to be caught in a genjutsu. Not possible while Gaara is in sand ball. Maybe Onoki but not Gaara.
This is my last post of the night.

The manga clearly states the flames converge on wherever the user looks. This is an argument between you and Kishi, not me and you.

Madara has been moving around with susanoo throughtout this entire fight with the kages.

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A tbb has been stated to be an extremely dense chakra, but not all chakra is like that. The reason Naruto and Konohamaru use shadow clones is because they lack the chakra control to use it with one hand, not because the chakra is extremely heavy. How does it not prove it's not heavy? He's moving around with like ease hence it's clearly not heavy to him.

Gaara has move while in the ball, but the ball itself has never moved so there's no way he could avoid the arrows. Kakashi had to use kamui just to avoid Sasuke's susanoo arrow.

I never said Sasuke could use it on Gaara while in the ball of sand, I did say though that Gaara has shown no resistance genjutsu hence it can be used on him.


Your argument seems to be nothing but baseless assumptions. You said susanoo was heavy without any proof yet I just provided proof that Madara is easily mobile while using susanoo.

You said Sasuke can't use susanoo on his hawk hence another baseless assumption.

You said earlier genjutsu wouldn't work hence another baseless assumption.

You said amaterasu travels while I showed you proof that it doesn't hence another baseless assumption.

I have one question, do you use any evidence from the manga to back up your claims? Doesn't seem that way to me.

This argument is over for me. And with that:

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No, conditions and location always factor in a fight. Gaara was at a huge disadvantage protecting the village.

And he has a larger chakra base without the shukaku.

Its like saying Shikamaru>Hidan>Asuma

a win is a win.. u cant say that he is under pressure protecting his village.. deidra beat his ass w/ limited clay bombs in his pocket and in that fact they re even at that fight, and he outsmarted gaara. 1 more thing gaara was in his turf his domain why did he lose?? my bad.. that clever little devil deidara..u clearly favor gaara.. hey dude.. a win is win.. he lose and he lose badly but w/ dignity..


ur defending a loser.. dis is my last reply.. bye
 
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This is my last post of the night.

The manga clearly states the flames converge on wherever the user looks. This is an argument between you and Kishi, not me and you.

Madara has been moving around with susanoo throughtout this entire fight with the kages.

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A tbb has been stated to be an extremely dense chakra, but not all chakra is like that. The reason Naruto and Konohamaru use shadow clones is because they lack the chakra control to use it with one hand, not because the chakra is extremely heavy. How does it not prove it's not heavy? He's moving around with like ease hence it's clearly not heavy to him.

Gaara has move while in the ball, but the ball itself has never moved so there's no way he could avoid the arrows. Kakashi had to use kamui just to avoid Sasuke's susanoo arrow.

I never said Sasuke could use it on Gaara while in the ball of sand, I did say though that Gaara has shown no resistance genjutsu hence it can be used on him.


Your argument seems to be nothing but baseless assumptions. You said susanoo was heavy without any proof yet I just provided proof that Madara is easily mobile while using susanoo.

You said Sasuke can't use susanoo on his hawk hence another baseless assumption.

You said earlier genjutsu wouldn't work hence another baseless assumption.

You said amaterasu travels while I showed you proof that it doesn't hence another baseless assumption.

I have one question, do you use any evidence from the manga to back up your claims? Doesn't seem that way to me.

This argument is over for me. And with that:

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I was reading and I don't know what you meant there, I'm gonna suppose travels in the context means pursue? If it does, then it does travel:
And if i'm mistaken I'm sorry, I didn't get what you were saying then! Just giving some info!
 
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Idk wh all of you think its crazy for him to beat all five at the same time. What have they don't to madaras susano that will break or danage sauskes full susano? Nothing. Oonki and garra could pull him out but he could kill one of them with his amartsu cannon type thing
 
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