[Question] Why couldn't WG have...

[DevilKing II]

I don't get why people can't digest the fact that WG can erase a criminal's existence completely without ever killing them?

I was reading a thread and this was mentioned in the thread I made too that IF Dragon were an Admiral people would've known but it's not necessary, is it?

I mean Impel Down's level six prisoners' existence was erased completely because of the catastrophic deeds or so they even didn't issue bounty posters when they broke free and were at large so as to not reveal them being alive and moreover free again to the people, so why can't they do it with Dragon IF ever he was a marine or even an Admiral at that, I mean Admirals go with an alias and not everyone knows their faces considering when Aokiji was introduced not even Nami, being as well informed as she always is, recognised him.
And after him becoming Worst Criminal what kind of Govt. Would reveal him to be one of their own and an Admiral at that.

Thoughts.

 

[Vandenre1ch]

Because when Avalo, Devon, Vasco and Wolf appeared in Marineford, random fodder marines knew their names, epithets and crimes with just one glance. You cant erase "popular" people that easily.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Because when Avalo, Devon, Vasco and Wolf appeared in Marineford, random fodder marines knew their names, epithets and crimes with just one glance. You cant erase "popular" people that easily.

Those people were Marines though. It makes sense they knew. The world not knowing makes sense.

 

[Vandenre1ch]

Those people were Marines though. It makes sense they knew. The world not knowing makes sense.

Well why is Dragon so unknown even among the marines? If he was an admiral, even people outside the marines would know. Only high ranking marines(Admiral and above) knew Dragon's real name. Akainu and Sengoku at least...the world know next to nothing about him.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Well why is Dragon so unknown even among the marines? If he was an admiral, even people outside the marines would know. Only high ranking marines(Admiral and above) knew Dragon's real name. Akainu and Sengoku at least...the world know next to nothing about him.

He's pretty secretive. Many of his own followers didn't even know if he was human or not, much less what he looks like. It's no surprise that many marines may not have known he was leader of the Revs.

 

[Bimbonium]

If he were an Admiral he'd be known for sure, even if the WG tries covering him up, his deeds won't allow it. IF he were an admiral he'd have clashed openly with pirates, normal marines would look up to him and generally he won't be so shrouded in mystery. If he were a Cipher Pol agent or some other hidden organization within the world government then.........erasing him from history won't be a problem.

 

[BrillyMac]

If he were an Admiral he'd be known for sure, even if the WG tries covering him up, his deeds won't allow it. IF he were an admiral he'd have clashed openly with pirates, normal marines would look up to him and generally he won't be so shrouded in mystery. If he were a Cipher Pol agent or some other hidden organization within the world government then.........erasing him from history won't be a problem.

I don't think him being s cipher pol agent would've made it easier to erase him from history. Firstly he would knwo there tactics. Secondly, he had made a name for himself outside of anything else so hin being from cipher oil wouldn't change the fact that he was the leader of the revolutionary army. As long as he became the leader of the revolutionary army it doesn't matter where he came from he would still be known and it would take the same effort to get rid of his name from anyone

 

[Caliburn]

Erasing the existence of an admiral and erasing the existence of a pirate are two completely different matters. For starters what they meant with erasing, is erasing from the public knowledge. That's why many marines knew about the level 6 prisoners. If they controlled and manipulated the flow of information, barely anyone outside of the marines would have known, but they themselves of course still do. They continuously influence the public opinion this way. It were the marines who destroyed Enies Lobbies, however they told the world it were the Strawhats. Controlling the "existence" of pirates is something they can do quite efficiently because the ones who bring forth most of the info about them is the WG itself. So if they do not want the actions of certain pirates be known, they can easily do that by simply not revealing it.

In the case of an admiral however it's completely the opposite. The admirals are the pride of the marines, they are their poster boys. Pan fleet admiral Kong even mentioned this when Sengoku and Garp wanted to retire, that it was a shame that the two persons who had been the face of the marines for the past decades would be gone now. An admiral is supposed to be well known, otherwise he pretty much loses most of his use. What are you supposed to do with an admiral that does not install fear into the hearts of pirates nor has a reputation to make people trust him? For an admiral they will do the exact opposite of what they do with pirates. They will make sure he will be famous, but you can't retract that afterwards. You can't suddenly remove him from the head's of people when you have been glorifying him for years.

So no Dragon was never an admiral, even to most of the marines he was a mystery. How could that ever have been the case for an admiral? He might have been a former marine, but he certainly was not an admiral.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Erasing the existence of an admiral and erasing the existence of a pirate are two completely different matters. For starters what they meant with erasing, is erasing from the public knowledge. That's why many marines knew about the level 6 prisoners. If they controlled and manipulated the flow of information, barely anyone outside of the marines would have known, but they themselves of course still do. They continuously influence the public opinion this way. It were the marines who destroyed Enies Lobbies, however they told the world it were the Strawhats. Controlling the "existence" of pirates is something they can do quite efficiently because the ones who bring forth most of the info about them is the WG itself. So if they do not want the actions of certain pirates be known, they can easily do that by simply not revealing it.

In the case of an admiral however it's completely the opposite. The admirals are the pride of the marines, they are their poster boys. Pan fleet admiral Kong even mentioned this when Sengoku and Garp wanted to retire, that it was a shame that the two persons who had been the face of the marines for the past decades would be gone now. An admiral is supposed to be well known, otherwise he pretty much loses most of his use. What are you supposed to do with an admiral that does not install fear into the hearts of pirates nor has a reputation to make people trust him? For an admiral they will do the exact opposite of what they do with pirates. They will make sure he will be famous, but you can't retract that afterwards. You can't suddenly remove him from the head's of people when you have been glorifying him for years.

So no Dragon was never an admiral, even to most of the marines he was a mystery. How could that ever have been the case for an admiral? He might have been a former marine, but he certainly was not an admiral.

He could have simply changed his name. Lots of Marines said they hadn't heard his full name, and it's fully possible that Dragon is a fake name. You'd think, with an uncommon name like Dragon, and how popular and famous Garp is, they'd know about his son Dragon. Unless of course, Dragon isn't his original, real name.

The tattoo scrawled on his face, the way his hair looks now, it's not hard to imagine not many people would recognize him without the tattoo and a greatly different hair style. His own people, at large, didn't even know Dragon was human, much less what he looks like, only that their leader is named Dragon. It wouldn't be any surprise if, if that his own followers don't know he's a human being, that the world at large don't know what he looks like.

The most wanted man in the world, the most dangerous, and his face is plastered everywhere? There aren't posters all over the place so the world knows "Hey, when you see this guy, **** him up or steer clear, he's the world's worst criminal?" Considering that the Revs are directly opposing the WG and have spies(Kuma, for instance), then they should be able to intercept their information. Unless, of course, the WG and Marines are purposefully keeping the fact that Dragon is behind the Revs a secret and away from common knowledge and info, which is why so far, only Marines have really known who he is(like Smoker) and even the Revs don't have posters or anything to see what their boss looks like. Why? Because how would it look if the leader of the greatest force against the WG and Marines was a former Admiral? How would it look if, as you yourself point out, that a one-time face of the Marines is now going against the Marines? That would increase the people joining the Revs. People would begin to reason that if someone who has inside knowledge of how the Marines work is trying to overthrow them and their boss, then it makes whatever allegations he makes against them all the more credible.

 

[Vandenre1ch]

He could have simply changed his name. Lots of Marines said they hadn't heard his full name, and it's fully possible that Dragon is a fake name. You'd think, with an uncommon name like Dragon, and how popular and famous Garp is, they'd know about his son Dragon. Unless of course, Dragon isn't his original, real name.

The tattoo scrawled on his face, the way his hair looks now, it's not hard to imagine not many people would recognize him without the tattoo and a greatly different hair style. His own people, at large, didn't even know Dragon was human, much less what he looks like, only that their leader is named Dragon. It wouldn't be any surprise if, if that his own followers don't know he's a human being, that the world at large don't know what he looks like.

The most wanted man in the world, the most dangerous, and his face is plastered everywhere? There aren't posters all over the place so the world knows "Hey, when you see this guy, **** him up or steer clear, he's the world's worst criminal?" Considering that the Revs are directly opposing the WG and have spies(Kuma, for instance), then they should be able to intercept their information. Unless, of course, the WG and Marines are purposefully keeping the fact that Dragon is behind the Revs a secret and away from common knowledge and info, which is why so far, only Marines have really known who he is(like Smoker) and even the Revs don't have posters or anything to see what their boss looks like. Why? Because how would it look if the leader of the greatest force against the WG and Marines was a former Admiral? How would it look if, as you yourself point out, that a one-time face of the Marines is now going against the Marines? That would increase the people joining the Revs. People would begin to reason that if someone who has inside knowledge of how the Marines work is trying to overthrow them and their boss, then it makes whatever allegations he makes against them all the more credible.

Changing his name could be possible. I think Dragon may be Garp's son-in-law since he shares hardly any facial similarities between Garp or Luffy. Long air, no big grin, no eyebrows etc.. Dragon's wife was probably Garp's real child.

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

Changing his name could be possible. I think Dragon may be Garp's son-in-law since he shares hardly any facial similarities between Garp or Luffy. Long air, no big grin, no eyebrows etc.. Dragon's wife was probably Garp's real child.

Then Garp and Dragon wouldn't have the same surname.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Then Garp and Dragon wouldn't have the same surname.

He could have taken Garp's daughter's surname, though I don't see why he would.

 

[Naruto Power]

to erase him means they would have to have him. also the prisoners where not mentioned so the people would not loose faith in the wg

 

[Bimbonium]

I don't think him being s cipher pol agent would've made it easier to erase him from history. Firstly he would knwo there tactics. Secondly, he had made a name for himself outside of anything else so hin being from cipher oil wouldn't change the fact that he was the leader of the revolutionary army. As long as he became the leader of the revolutionary army it doesn't matter where he came from he would still be known and it would take the same effort to get rid of his name from anyone

I thought the thread was talking about his past before becoming leader of the RA?

 

[BrillyMac]

I thought the thread was talking about his past before becoming leader of the RA?

No the thread was asking how the world government could erase a criminals existence then he tried to say they erased his existence of being an admiral (theory of course). But dragon wasn't a criminal or at least a known one until the revolutionary army

 

[Caliburn]

He could have simply changed his name. Lots of Marines said they hadn't heard his full name, and it's fully possible that Dragon is a fake name. You'd think, with an uncommon name like Dragon, and how popular and famous Garp is, they'd know about his son Dragon. Unless of course, Dragon isn't his original, real name.

The tattoo scrawled on his face, the way his hair looks now, it's not hard to imagine not many people would recognize him without the tattoo and a greatly different hair style. His own people, at large, didn't even know Dragon was human, much less what he looks like, only that their leader is named Dragon. It wouldn't be any surprise if, if that his own followers don't know he's a human being, that the world at large don't know what he looks like.

The most wanted man in the world, the most dangerous, and his face is plastered everywhere? There aren't posters all over the place so the world knows "Hey, when you see this guy, **** him up or steer clear, he's the world's worst criminal?" Considering that the Revs are directly opposing the WG and have spies(Kuma, for instance), then they should be able to intercept their information. Unless, of course, the WG and Marines are purposefully keeping the fact that Dragon is behind the Revs a secret and away from common knowledge and info, which is why so far, only Marines have really known who he is(like Smoker) and even the Revs don't have posters or anything to see what their boss looks like. Why? Because how would it look if the leader of the greatest force against the WG and Marines was a former Admiral? How would it look if, as you yourself point out, that a one-time face of the Marines is now going against the Marines? That would increase the people joining the Revs. People would begin to reason that if someone who has inside knowledge of how the Marines work is trying to overthrow them and their boss, then it makes whatever allegations he makes against them all the more credible.

And he had plastic surgery likewise? They already knew how Dragon looked when Vivi was still a small child. Also changing names wouldn't change a thing, even more so because Dragon IS his real name. There isn't a single reason to doubt that. Even Garp refers to him as such. Now you are just baselessly throwing things out that make no sense. He has a fake first name, but then Oda creates an entire hype around this last name because it connects him with Garp. That doesn't even sound believable. He's probably also not Luffy's father, what reason do we have to believe that? Who says he is even Garp's son? He might have killed the real one and taken his place? That's the level of the stuff you're saying now. Just questioning things because you can disregarding common sense and the story.

Who says Dragon is an uncommon name? Since when is there such a thing as an uncommon name in OP? People not being able to recognize him just with that? That's possible with an unknown person, but not with someone who is supposed to have been world famous. How much did Sanji look like Duval? How much did the fake Strawhats look like the real Strawhats? And still many people didn't see a difference. People could even connect Usopp with Sogeking solely based on his nose.

Be serious. Robin knew him, Sanji knew him, Nami knew him, the entire world knows him and how he looks. His picture was already shown at the Reverie were Vivi was still a child and he was even smiling on it. The reason why there were so many rumours about Dragon, is that no one knew where he came from nor he is, but he is the world's number one criminal. That automatically results in people telling preposterous stories. If he had been a former admiral, people would have known. A shallow name change and a tattoo are not going to make a single difference.

 

[DevilKing II]

Erasing the existence of an admiral and erasing the existence of a pirate are two completely different matters. For starters what they meant with erasing, is erasing from the public knowledge. That's why many marines knew about the level 6 prisoners. If they controlled and manipulated the flow of information, barely anyone outside of the marines would have known, but they themselves of course still do. They continuously influence the public opinion this way. It were the marines who destroyed Enies Lobbies, however they told the world it were the Strawhats. Controlling the "existence" of pirates is something they can do quite efficiently because the ones who bring forth most of the info about them is the WG itself. So if they do not want the actions of certain pirates be known, they can easily do that by simply not revealing it.

In the case of an admiral however it's completely the opposite. The admirals are the pride of the marines, they are their poster boys. Pan fleet admiral Kong even mentioned this when Sengoku and Garp wanted to retire, that it was a shame that the two persons who had been the face of the marines for the past decades would be gone now. An admiral is supposed to be well known, otherwise he pretty much loses most of his use. What are you supposed to do with an admiral that does not install fear into the hearts of pirates nor has a reputation to make people trust him? For an admiral they will do the exact opposite of what they do with pirates. They will make sure he will be famous, but you can't retract that afterwards. You can't suddenly remove him from the head's of people when you have been glorifying him for years.

So no Dragon was never an admiral, even to most of the marines he was a mystery. How could that ever have been the case for an admiral? He might have been a former marine, but he certainly was not an admiral.

Not once in OP is mentioned or depicted that Admirals are poster boys, obviosly poster boys' face should be known to people then tell me why wasn't Aokiji known to SHs when introduced first eventhough there were people like Nami and Sanji among them and also when Kizaru came to Sabondy most of the Supernovas stayed to see how this so called Admiral looks like.
Kong said the two men who led the marines from the Frontline since Roger's era, acting as a frontline officer doesn't mean their face be known it is likely that only marines upto VA know them the rest just follow VAs who recieve orders directly from them and it doesn't matter for Admirals to be well known they just need to be super strong as in they are Greatest Military Strength if the people well known were the Admiral then Buggy would've made his way up there.LoL.
And as for they would've fought many pirates head on, well thats undeniable, but since they're strong no pirate could escape them unless they have Kuma on their sides and how do you think can a defeated pirate on his way to prison would be able to tell someone how the Admiral looks like.
Being an Admiral is something which automatically gains you reputation and Marine HQ is not dumb enough to give such a post to someone not deserving.

 

[Punk Hazard]

And he had plastic surgery likewise? They already knew how Dragon looked when Vivi was still a small child. Also changing names wouldn't change a thing, even more so because Dragon IS his real name. There isn't a single reason to doubt that. Even Garp refers to him as such. Now you are just baselessly throwing things out that make no sense. He has a fake first name, but then Oda creates an entire hype around this last name because it connects him with Garp. That doesn't even sound believable. He's probably also not Luffy's father, what reason do we have to believe that? Who says he is even Garp's son? He might have killed the real one and taken his place? That's the level of the stuff you're saying now. Just questioning things because you can disregarding common sense and the story.

Who says Dragon is an uncommon name? Since when is there such a thing as an uncommon name in OP? People not being able to recognize him just with that? That's possible with an unknown person, but not with someone who is supposed to have been world famous. How much did Sanji look like Duval? How much did the fake Strawhats look like the real Strawhats? And still many people didn't see a difference. People could even connect Usopp with Sogeking solely based on his nose.

Be serious. Robin knew him, Sanji knew him, Nami knew him, the entire world knows him and how he looks. His picture was already shown at the Reverie were Vivi was still a child and he was even smiling on it. The reason why there were so many rumours about Dragon, is that no one knew where he came from nor he is, but he is the world's number one criminal. That automatically results in people telling preposterous stories. If he had been a former admiral, people would have known. A shallow name change and a tattoo are not going to make a single difference.

The people who knew how Dragon looked in the Baratie aren't just any ordinary people though. They're noble-born, so it makes sense that they would know about Dragon, more than the common citizen who is kept in the dark.

The thing about a character as mysterious and hidden as Dragon is that there isn't a lot of information about him. So yes, while a lot of things people say about him might be pipe-theories, that's all we've got and it always works that there's no information that contradicts this. All of those examples you say are indeed farfetched, but they're still within the realm of possibility, and that's good enough for us to ponder on and talk about.

It makes a lot of sense for people to not know that a former Admiral is the leader of the Revolutionaries. Once again, his own army didn't know he was a human being, so they definitely didn't know what he looked like. Why would his own army, which intercepts information from the WG, not know what Dragon looks like? Because the WG is keeping his identity a secret. They've made cover-ups before. Why are they covering up Dragon's identity? Precisely because he's a former Admiral, and a former Admiral going against the WG would be extremely bad for their credibility and their image. The WG has covered up and kept the world in the dark about many things, it's not far-fetched to think they'd do the same for this. That's why getting the tattoo and changing his hair has worked so well, that's why the common people don't know that the Dragon that's leading the Revs is a former Admiral

 

[KingHashirama]

Akainu knew of Luffy being Dragon's son... but he wouldn't know who dragon was.. especially when he knows Dragon is Garp's son..



Come on now dude.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Akainu knew of Luffy being Dragon's son... but he wouldn't know who dragon was.. especially when he knows Dragon is Garp's son..



Come on now dude.

Why would Akainu be kept in the dark about Dragon being a former Admiral? If Dragon truly is a former Admiral, who said Akainu doesn't know?