Why could Madara summon Kurama?

LeSauce

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Ughh imma break or down into steps for these people...

1. Madara/Obito uses Sharingan to forcibly control Kurama
2. Since Kurama is under their control, with no free will, they use the control over Kurama to forcibly create a contact with him
3. They gain the ability to summon Kurama whenever as long as
a.) Kurama is under their genjutsu control
b.) They still have the contract with the beast
Because Obito had time to do all that. Not to mention this is all said without any proof.
 

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He had a Sharing Ball, which has a 9000% capture rate.
 

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I think the odds of Senju being able to use mokuton were low because Ashura's bloodline split in 2 unlike Indra's, so there's less of a chance of transmigrants being born :s it's just a guess. Also, Senju clan weren't great in numbers and after Hashirama, all bijuus were in jinchuuriki's and their blood could have thinned as they settled with Konoha citizens :p

But if there was even one other natural Mokuton user, I'm pretty sure they would at least have some kind of mention in history, seeing as how haxxed it is
 

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Because Obito had time to do all that. Not to mention this is all said without any proof.

It was shown in the series, that they used sharingan to control kyubi.


Everybody and their grandmother knows you need acontact to summon any living thing.

It has also been shown that you can use the sharingan to make any living thing do your bidding... As shown in the Sasuke v Deidara battle.
 

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It was shown in the series, that they used sharingan to control kyubi.


Everybody and their grandmother knows you need acontact to summon any living thing.

It has also been shown that you can use the sharingan to make any living thing do your bidding... As shown in the Sasuke v Deidara battle.

What I meant is that there is no hint that either of them made a contract. Obito didn't even have time to do it and Kurama hasn't even been shown to have a contract, none of the bijuu have.
 

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Ocular powers can summon whatever chakra is influencing the tools chakra.

Obito/Madara used their sharingan to control the nine tails chakra
(Their chakra reflects off kurama's eyes

Nagato can't use a genjustu, so he put black rods into six animals and six human bodies as a contract for summoning.

Obito did that for the six bijuus
 

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Ocular powers can summon whatever chakra is influencing the tools chakra.

Obito/Madara used their sharingan to control the nine tails chakra
(Their chakra reflects off kurama's eyes

Nagato can't use a genjustu, so he put black rods into six animals and six human bodies as a contract for summoning.

Obito did that for the six bijuus
But Madara wasn't in control of Kurama during the war. Does it stay with them or what?
 

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But Madara wasn't in control of Kurama during the war. Does it stay with them or what?

Jinchuuriki was currently in hold of the kyuubi's chakra.

There's a choice between Madara or naruto, read what the kyuubi told naruto.
 

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Jinchuuriki was currently in hold of the kyuubi's chakra.

There's a choice between Madara or naruto, read what the kyuubi told naruto.

So once they put them in genjutsu, they still have the chakra, but what kept Kurama from being summoned was the fact that he was still in Naruto?
 

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So once they put them in genjutsu, they still have the chakra, but what kept Kurama from being summoned was the fact that he was still in Naruto?

Yes...
 

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Most probably Madara forcefully made Kurama sign the contract.
 

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Its the Sharingan.

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Obito was also able to summon him.

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and Sasuke suppressed his chakra the first time he faced Naruto in part 2.

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because he found and took control of kurama

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