Why "Borrowed power" isnt borrowed power

[spade3dg]

A lot of b.s. going on lately here. Arguing on a jinchurukis power not being their own. Same with dojutsus like the MS /Ems and rinnegan ish.

Well for one. A jinchuruki using the power of the bijuu inside of him/her isnt borrowing power. Its their for their disposal and mixes and melds with their own chakra depending on the seal.

The majority of jin in the series didnt become them for power, or willingly. But the power is inside them so it is theirs.


Dojutsu like the EMS and rinnegan also arent borrowed power. The ems involves taking the eyes of a sibling or relative. Which would be considered borrowing but its more like taking.

They arent borrowing any power due to
a. (not giving it back.
b. (its inside them making it their own


Sasuke couldnt just give Itachi back his eyes or the power that is in them.

They can be separated from their powerups. Narutos bijuu could be extracted. Sasuke could be stabbed or have his eyes taken out (not hard in this series)

None of it is borrowed. The only person in the series that had borrowed power, is Kakashi Hatake. He had Obitos eye, which he ended up involuntary giving back

 

[Mahesvara]

"Borrowed Power" is just a cheap excuse for someone to downplay a character's achievements.

 

[Vapid]

Jinchuriki do have borrowed power and most are complete fodders without biju assistance.

You're just in denial.

 

[Solo]

Sasuke can't talk to his eyes nor do they come up with plans on how to beat their opponents, save himself/others.

Sasuke does not plan on giving them eyes back to Itachi and Itachi planned on Sasuke taking them. Therefore, those eyes belong to Sasuke. This is borrowed power:

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Naruto is getting this from another living being.

 

[Element Master]

"Borrowed Power" is just a cheap excuse for someone to downplay a character's achievements.

Oh look, someones point was just proven

Jinchuriki do have borrowed power and most are complete fodders without biju assistance.

You're just in denial.

 

[Unbiased]

Nice one tc. If something is forced upon you it isn't borrowed in any sense of the word.

 

[TrollKing]

Chapter 1 naruto has power >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kages

Dat naruto

 

[Unbiased]

Sasuke can't talk to his eyes nor do they come up with plans on how to beat their opponents, save himself/others.

Sasuke does not plan on giving them eyes back to Itachi and Itachi planned on Sasuke taking them. Therefore, those eyes belong to Sasuke. This is borrowed power:

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Naruto is getting this from another living being.

Borrowed power is running to orochimaru because the main characters progression was to much.

 

[Uzumaki Ray]

Sasuke can't talk to his eyes nor do they come up with plans on how to beat their opponents, save himself/others.

Sasuke does not plan on giving them eyes back to Itachi and Itachi planned on Sasuke taking them. Therefore, those eyes belong to Sasuke. This is borrowed power:

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Naruto is getting this from another living being.

Sasuke got his eyes from Itachi..

 

[Element Master]

Sasuke can't talk to his eyes nor do they come up with plans on how to beat their opponents, save himself/others.

Sasuke does not plan on giving them eyes back to Itachi and Itachi planned on Sasuke taking them. Therefore, those eyes belong to Sasuke. This is borrowed power:

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Naruto is getting this from another living being.

it's a given power not borrowed, Naruto literally said "give me more Charka "

 

[spade3dg]

Jinchuriki do have borrowed power and most are complete fodders without biju assistance.

You're just in denial.

Could you explain how it is borrowed power?

Its inside of them. Making the jin the owner of the power. Just like a dojutsu user is the owner of the eyes they have.

Borrowed power. Fodder are no named shinobi in the series that are there to just throw kunai and shuriken.

No jin is fodder. No jin will ever be fodder. Without the power then maybe. But wouldnt it be the same for a uchiha or hyuuga?

 

[sandman20]

Some people really need to look up what borrowed means. This really is getting ridiculous :erm:

 

[Venomous Cobra]

No matter how different you try to make it sound it's still the same bruh , this whole manga is about people going to the upper level of power using another person/beast power , it's just how the manag works

 

[nightwolf888]

borrowed powe is crap ppl come up with, they don't like jin because somehow if the chakra is somehow living it's not as special or not theirs like some stupid eyes

 

[Kai NB]

Here's the thing

My Opinion:
I look at the end result. So to me, I don't even consider "borrowed power" a thing. If a character did something, I don't care how it was done. The fact remains, it happened.

My Ethically Based Opinion on Reason:
When using the term "Borrowed Power", it implies that the power is not completely permanent. Rather, it is being used for a time. That being said, if any specific "power", NOT ORIGINATED FROM THE USER, can be taken away, then that power is borrowed. That being said, Jinchuuriki's use "borrowed power" as TB's can be removed and still have the Jinchuuriki survive.. MS & EMS are considered a pseudo-borrowed power, because they cannot be inherently taken away. DNA Transplant are not considered this, because they cannot be removed. The power is theres forever and that cannot change


HOWEVER:
Given Powers are another subject. Those are abilities not originated solely from the user. Those can be considered "asspull", "hax", "unfair" or anything else viewed in an unjust manner

 

[spade3dg]

Sasuke can't talk to his eyes nor do they come up with plans on how to beat their opponents, save himself/others.

Sasuke does not plan on giving them eyes back to Itachi and Itachi planned on Sasuke taking them. Therefore, those eyes belong to Sasuke. This is borrowed power:

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Naruto is getting this from another living being.

Talk to me when you're out if detention. Then your opinion will matter.

And his power isnt borrowed. He told Kurama to give him the power. Its already inside of him just not accessible

 

[Unbiased]

it's a given power not borrowed, Naruto literally said "give me more Charka "

Are you forgetting naruto's chakra is naturally mixed with kuramas due to the seal? It's definitely borrowed.

 

[Vapid]

Could you explain how it is borrowed power?

Its inside of them. Making the jin the owner of the power. Just like a dojutsu user is the owner of the eyes they have.

Borrowed power. Fodder are no named shinobi in the series that are there to just throw kunai and shuriken.

No jin is fodder. No jin will ever be fodder. Without the power then maybe. But wouldnt it be the same for a uchiha or hyuuga?

Naruto literally asks Kurama and the biju for chakra...

How's it NOT borrowing? That's a better question.

 

[BlazeRelease]

Borrowed power doesn't literally mean borrowed power, it refers to power obtained from another being by whatever means, for example, a bijuu,edo tensei, or summoning jutsu (to an extent.)

Whether or not borrowed power is a flawed argument and whether or not it should be counted in a vs match is entirely subjective though.


But personally to me, jinchurikis are 1 vs 2.

 

[Element Master]

Naruto literally asks Kurama and the biju for chakra...

How's it NOT borrowing? That's a better question.

Borrowing: Borrow or borrowing can mean: to receive (something) from somebody temporarily, expecting to return it.
Naruto is not returning Kurama's Charka therefore it is not a borrowed power