Why are you atheists/agnostic?

[sG Taka]

i don't have to talk about, or tell you what i pray about, because that is me and GODS business , not anyone else.


life is full of meaning, and there is a reason for everything, you go by human logic, meanings derived from man, which man couldn't creat the earth but "I" don't go by man made logic. ​

You're god is very selective, answering and listening to your prayers while in the meantime, a little child in Ethopia, who's at the moment dying of starvation and will probably never have a happy memory because he'll die within a week, is praying for food, health and happiness, and yet, there is no answer.

I don't know about you, but if there actually is a God, and this is all part of his plan then I bet Shikamaru would be able to come up with something better than this.

 

[Professor Sarutobi]

As a savior, naruto is doing a pretty good job compared to religion

 

[ZK]

As a savior, naruto is doing a pretty good job compared to religion

O_O
Yes, because the 4th Shinobi World War is going on, right now, in the Middle East, right?
No.
At least the chance that God is real is the cause of much hope and determination. The very few that actually believe that Naruto is real... Well... Nobody has tried to take credit for the creation of God yet.
Last, but not least: While you may feel inspired by an Anime or a Manga, it simply cannot be compared to Religion.

 

[Uchiha Paulsama]

You're god is very selective, answering and listening to your prayers while in the meantime, a little child in Ethopia, who's at the moment dying of starvation and will probably never have a happy memory because he'll die within a week, is praying for food, health and happiness, and yet, there is no answer.

I don't know about you, but if there actually is a God, and this is all part of his plan then I bet Shikamaru would be able to come up with something better than this.

there is alot of pain in this world, but pain is here for a reason, we don't have every answer, GOD only put a few hints out there at a time and sequence . to me , life is a test on who you are inside, whats your intentions, motives.. tell me this, if a man kills people for no reason, and lets also say this same guy rapes and robs.. if he does one or the other what not, and his life just becomes crazy, and the police are on to him, lets say this same guy kills himself, just to end the misery or whatever he is going through. would that just be the easy way out it? no consequence for that? you just did all of that an you think you just get away with that, by ending your own life?

this universe is to big, and has countless things we can't even fathom or begin to imagine. who is to say that starving kid will be saved or not?we don't know. GOD is the judge, not us, remember those words my friend.

when we are born in this world we know what is right from wrong, as we grow up. we naturally know what is light and what is dark. we naturally know, what is love, and what is hate.

we were given the gift of free will, to do what we choose, enjoy and appreciate it.​

This thread is pointless and should be stopped, it has swayed away form original topic and is not just a back and forth to see who is right or wrong.

In truth no one is right, unless there are proofs and facts to your statements its all pointless. Besides why do any of you care what the other thinks?

It has no effect on you so why get made and bash each other?[/CENTER​

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i wanna see others on the other side U_U​

 

[Piccolosan]

i wanna see others on the other side U_U​

Noble cause, but read the bible into arguments and debates because your doing it wrong...

 

[Uchiha Paulsama]

Noble cause, but read the bible into arguments and debates because your doing it wrong...

yea, i gotta detail my wording better.​

 

[Professor Sarutobi]

O_O
Yes, because the 4th Shinobi World War is going on, right now, in the Middle East, right?
No.
At least the chance that God is real is the cause of much hope and determination. The very few that actually believe that Naruto is real... Well... Nobody has tried to take credit for the creation of God yet.
Last, but not least: While you may feel inspired by an Anime or a Manga, it simply cannot be compared to Religion.

The middle east has been in war for how many years now, Naruto has all but ended the shinobi war in 2 days. Naruto gives hope to everyone he meets and changes darkness to light ( gaara, Karin, 9 tails) lol and I forgot to add my " I don't think the manga is bringing real life world peace" sticker I meant as far as a character in a book naruto seems pretty constant on his plan for world peace and being hokage and saving sasuke. Jesus is called the prince of peace but their is a bible verse that says he brings not peace but a sword and will kill all those who don't love him more then their own family ( paraphraseing obviously)

And yes it can't compare, no one ever waged genocide on itachi fans...well not yet anyway xd

 

[Dragonfly X]

Don't bite my head off or anything, but I'm going to tread shark infested waters with a sub machine gun and ask a couple of million dollar questions and say...

...what do atheists have to lose to believe in a religion? It's not as if you can say " Ha ha! I told you so!" if by some preposterous fluke that there isn't an afterlife/Lord Almighty.

By being a keen observer, I've also noticed that a huge number of atheists become atheists or agnostic because of one particular denomination:

The Catholic Church: I'm not trying to play the blame game here, but I've heard some wild stuff that goes on in this church. A large number of Catholic extremists scare people off because they say crazy stuff like "homosexuals are going straight to Hell if they don't renounce there ways." Also, a bunch of my friends who are atheists/agnostic said that they were brought up in a strict Catholic family.

Also number 2 question. Is it because you just want freedom in general from practicing any religious beliefs? I know I know, it's a chore and as a Christian myself I don't necessarily follow everything that the Bible says because I guess that's just the way I roll.

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I guess that's all I wanted to say for now.

Thoughts? Discuss. (Keep it clean though so this thread doesn't get closed)

What do we have to gain. We don't see believers finding mass amounts of treasure when they pray for it. We don't see the illnesses magically healed from their bodies. And we don't see you guys living forever. We have seen nothing that really says "Oh man, this is worth it, because I get...etc etc". Not to be mean or anything. But all it gives you guys it seems is happiness and comfort. And I guess if you are an unhappy atheist, or agnostic, then sure, try and find faith. But at the moment, I am completely happy, and I have a decent amount of comfort.

It isn't because of the necessary work required, it is because of the lack of proof and reward. To me, the best analogy would be at the carnival, there are those rigged games, this is like one of those. Except it is rigged to the max, like trying to throw a basketball inside a small square. You keep trying and trying. And you put so much into it, and if you get anything bad, it is usually never substantial, and makes not a ton of difference. Also, if believing in God, or whoever made people have a happy life and have a life where good things continually happen to them, people would be flocking by the masses to pray. If every single prayer was becoming true. I wouldn't mind believing just to have my family live happy. And for my other issues to divinely resolve themselves. Those are my viewpoints on the questions. Hope I didn't offend anyone.

 

[itachi49]

A man went to a barbershop to have his hair cut and his beard trimmed. As the barber began to work, they began to have a good conversation. They talked about so many things and various subjects.

When they eventually touched on the subject of God, the barber said: “I don’t believe that God exists.”

“Why do you say that?” asked the customer.

“Well, you just have to go out in the street to realize that God doesn’t exist. Tell me, if God exists, would there be so many sick people? Would there be abandoned children? If God existed, there would be neither suffering nor pain. I can’t imagine a loving a God who would allow all of these things.”

The customer thought for a moment, but didn’t respond because he didn’t want to start an argument. The barber finished his job and the customer left the shop. Just after he left the barbershop, he saw a man in the street with long, stringy, dirty hair and an untrimmed beard. He looked dirty and unkempt.

The customer turned back and entered the barber shop again and he said to the barber: “You know what? Barbers do not exist.”

“How can you say that?” asked the surprised barber. “I am here, and I am a barber. And I just worked on you!”

“No!” the customer exclaimed. “Barbers don’t exist because if they did, there would be no people with dirty long hair and untrimmed beards, like that man outside.”

“Ah, but barbers DO exist! What happens is, people do not come to me.”

“Exactly!”- affirmed the customer. “That’s the point! God, too, DOES exist! What happens, is, people don’t go to Him and do not look for him.

 

[Malebolgia]

A man went to a barbershop to have his hair cut and his beard trimmed. As the barber began to work, they began to have a good conversation. They talked about so many things and various subjects.

When they eventually touched on the subject of God, the barber said: “I don’t believe that God exists.”

“Why do you say that?” asked the customer.

“Well, you just have to go out in the street to realize that God doesn’t exist. Tell me, if God exists, would there be so many sick people? Would there be abandoned children? If God existed, there would be neither suffering nor pain. I can’t imagine a loving a God who would allow all of these things.”

The customer thought for a moment, but didn’t respond because he didn’t want to start an argument. The barber finished his job and the customer left the shop. Just after he left the barbershop, he saw a man in the street with long, stringy, dirty hair and an untrimmed beard. He looked dirty and unkempt.

The customer turned back and entered the barber shop again and he said to the barber: “You know what? Barbers do not exist.”

“How can you say that?” asked the surprised barber. “I am here, and I am a barber. And I just worked on you!”

“No!” the customer exclaimed. “Barbers don’t exist because if they did, there would be no people with dirty long hair and untrimmed beards, like that man outside.”

“Ah, but barbers DO exist! What happens is, people do not come to me.”

“Exactly!”- affirmed the customer. “That’s the point! God, too, DOES exist! What happens, is, people don’t go to Him and do not look for him.

That was an amazing example.

 

[Uchiha Paulsama]

A man went to a barbershop to have his hair cut and his beard trimmed. As the barber began to work, they began to have a good conversation. They talked about so many things and various subjects.

When they eventually touched on the subject of God, the barber said: “I don’t believe that God exists.”

“Why do you say that?” asked the customer.

“Well, you just have to go out in the street to realize that God doesn’t exist. Tell me, if God exists, would there be so many sick people? Would there be abandoned children? If God existed, there would be neither suffering nor pain. I can’t imagine a loving a God who would allow all of these things.”

The customer thought for a moment, but didn’t respond because he didn’t want to start an argument. The barber finished his job and the customer left the shop. Just after he left the barbershop, he saw a man in the street with long, stringy, dirty hair and an untrimmed beard. He looked dirty and unkempt.

The customer turned back and entered the barber shop again and he said to the barber: “You know what? Barbers do not exist.”

“How can you say that?” asked the surprised barber. “I am here, and I am a barber. And I just worked on you!”

“No!” the customer exclaimed. “Barbers don’t exist because if they did, there would be no people with dirty long hair and untrimmed beards, like that man outside.”

“Ah, but barbers DO exist! What happens is, people do not come to me.”

“Exactly!”- affirmed the customer. “That’s the point! God, too, DOES exist! What happens, is, people don’t go to Him and do not look for him.

best example yet, thanks my friend.. this is priceless , no price on this.​

 

[kendell]

Here are 2 Scriptures that should make CHRISTIANS think! Matthew 7:14 Because Strait is the Gate, and NARROW is the WAY, which leadeth unto life, and FEW there be that FIND IT. Luke 18:8 I tell you that he will avenge them speedily. Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he FIND FAITH on the earth? Only 2 passages of the many you will find in this web site to open your eyes to the TRUTH. The Evidence is overwhelming. Please take time so you will not be deceived. Christianity is not the FEW and they are not on the NARROW WAY. He knew how many Christians would be in the world and he said he would NOT find FAITH.. Their FAITH is not what the FATHER is looking for. True believers are not blind to the FACTS. True believers owe it to themselves to know the TRUTH...... Worship must be in truth and in spirit, not mans doctrine...John 4:23..

Revelation 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. Notice the Whole WORLD is deceived. If you have seen the first movie the Metrix, everyone was deceived, and that is what Christianity is like. Please look at original 16th Century DOCUMENT below at the bottom of the page to see Jesus name was not in the ORIGINAL CATHOLIC and PROTESTANT KING JAMES BIBLE..and even that name was pagan.

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please read it

 

[Hard2bringdown]

wow, i cant believe this is still going...well keep it up then:izuna:, but like i said we cant be sure as to who is right and who is wrong, why?,well because(and this is my way of doing things), if you don't have any proof,and proof that you understand at that, as in what it is,how is it proof, do you understand every detail of it without leaving room to specualtions and assumptions...then you have no right to act as if what you say is completely true, almost as if YOU know the truth and what youre saying is fact....in other words i use logic, if i havent experience it or have any solid proof of it, how would it make sense to be soo sure of it

 

[Narubro]

i dont think you can prove God doesnt exist

but whatever all this is pointless feelings are just going to get hurt

 

[ZK]

The middle east has been in war for how many years now, Naruto has all but ended the shinobi war in 2 days. Naruto gives hope to everyone he meets and changes darkness to light ( gaara, Karin, 9 tails) lol and I forgot to add my " I don't think the manga is bringing real life world peace" sticker I meant as far as a character in a book naruto seems pretty constant on his plan for world peace and being hokage and saving sasuke. Jesus is called the prince of peace but their is a bible verse that says he brings not peace but a sword and will kill all those who don't love him more then their own family ( paraphraseing obviously)

And yes it can't compare, no one ever waged genocide on itachi fans...well not yet anyway xd

Wanna risk betting on that, mate?
And for once, I won't even argue with your point that Religion can, in fact, be comared to Manga and Anime. I don't know what I was thinking when I wrote that it couldn't. Take me for example; I find peace in music and fanfics (Not kidding). Some people find peace in their religion, well good for them, no? To each his own, if so to speak.