Why are some people trying to excuse away Obito's crimes now?

[Shadow Phantasm]

Yeah in sort of making a fuss but here's the difference oh high and mighty one. You're making a big deal trying to argue against other peoples own opinions and views in an attempt to some how make them share some standard of acceptance and retribution that YOU feel is just... When it's just an anime! Now what I'm arguing about is how people like you think they can tell people who to forgive or how to view something. I'm not arguing in defense of an anime character I'm defending my right as a manga/ anime fan to view anything or any situation how ever I see fit. Not trying to appease your views.... This thread is bull shit.

Point out where I argued against other people's opinions?You won't because you can't,and I'm not telling you or anyone else how to think or feel about a character so enough with that crap.

If you think my thread is bullshit then why comment?I'm not looking for anyone to appease my views.

 

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Madara did not lose hope in the world because "Rin died" Please and no Obito did not live in a time of war. He lived in a team where there were tensions between the clans but there were no war. He did not lose anyone besides "Rin" There is/was never an indication that he lost anyone else, it has never been mentioned. You cannot compare Madara's reasons to Obito's. I just explained why in a post earlier which i assume you did not read or else you wouldn't be writting this.

Madara saw his family butchered 1 by 1 infront of him, his clan members were constantly dying. He participated in countless wards, once he Co-founded this village, he saw that his clan was not gonna be treated well while he the co-founder of this village was not being treated well. He knew once tobirama would be hokage his clan would be terminated.

Madara wanted real peace, his journey began because of war and deaths. He wanted to find real peace but he was misguided and misinformed.

Obito became bad because and only because "Rin died", Obito was perfectly normal before Rin died. He wanted to become hokage and everyone to acknowledge him. Once "Rin" died everything changed. That is the weakest character and stupidest reason for someone to murder countless people's parents, daughters, sons, husbands, wives, kids.

It cannot be justified in any way possible.

@bold "didn't live in a time of war" was thought to be killed during the third great ninja war Lol

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

If he's trying to ask an honest question then why try to combat the opinions of other people? It would be understandable if he just said I believe Obito does not deserve forgiveness for this that and the third. But to come out and try and tell other people that their own opinions are flawed.... And that they shouldn't e forgiving a certain fictional character? That's just challenging people's opinions which really speaks volumes for the op.

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I have not done any of that.

 

[Sageof7Path]

You must not know what goes on in these forums. What he is doing is debating. It is commonly used to view different perspectives and battle others ideas. If you just want to state something and leave it there then leave this thread, because he isn't only stating something but also questioning the actions of others aswell.

No what he's doing is trying to dictate the opinions of others. He claims he is only trying to get insight which isn't true you're calming he's trying to debate well buddy there is a difference between debating a topic and trying to argue against people's beliefs and opinions in an attempt to have other people agree. All that in attempt to feel as if what you say everyone believes or at least should believe.

 

[Johndoesknowall]

If he's trying to ask an honest question then why try to combat the opinions of other people? It would be understandable if he just said I believe Obito does not deserve forgiveness for this that and the third. But to come out and try and tell other people that their own opinions are flawed.... And that they shouldn't e forgiving a certain fictional character? That's just challenging people's opinions which really speaks volumes for the op.

He is debating which is commonly used in forums and he threads don't need member like you not having a vild argument towards the OP. He wants to know the reasons and if the reasons are not adequate he will debate them. He as a fan has the right to do so and it shouldn't be argued.

Owes Sasuke? he partially to blame for that as well. Obito had nothing to live for he could have join Madara even after losing to Naruto and Sasuke, he did it because he wanted to.

Yes, Sasuke did play a part I will not disagree, but this isn't about Sasuke's actions. It is about Obito's actions and the remarks made by members who justify them wrongly. Obito still had Kakashi and Minato. He made a choice to help Naruto and Sasuke but that still is not enough to make amends in my book.

 

[Raekwon26]

They excuse him because he became like Gaara and Nagato.

 

[Naestro]

Listen kid, i have argued with lots of kids like you to understand where this is going.

You an ignorant calling me ignorant. I don't know weither to laugh or cry at this. Although it is more sad than it is funny.

I will end my discussion here because i know it is going no where. You do not know the value of a human life.

I am not arguing over what a fake character did in a fictional story, i'm arguing everyone over the moral of the issue. As to how people can easily accept his actions morally, because accepting something someone did in fictions also means they accept it if it happend in real life. But people do not understand what they say. Best example being you and your co-argumentative friends who accept this kind of actions.

I will stop here because i can only dedicate my time to people like you only so much. I don't have an infinite amount of time to waste on people who ignore every point i write and keep babbling the same thing over and over. If you want my answers go read the posts that i have already made. My points are clearly written there other than that i'm done. Bye

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

No what he's doing is trying to dictate the opinions of others. He claims he is only trying to get insight which isn't true you're calming he's trying to debate well buddy there is a difference between debating a topic and trying to argue against people's beliefs and opinions in an attempt to have other people agree. All that in attempt to feel as if what you say everyone believes or at least should believe.

It must be fun trying to make assumptions about people over the internet that are both false and laughable.U_U

 

[KingHashirama]

And the ignorant still babble on about the same thing. Yo go learn to analyze things in depthful layers. And how the storyline is set up. How a character is set up.

They excuse him because he became like Gaara and Nagato.

Gaara is an entirely different matter.. nagato and Gaara are not comparable.. And no we don't forgive Nagato either.. Because Naruto himself never forgave Nagato either..

 

[Johndoesknowall]

No what he's doing is trying to dictate the opinions of others. He claims he is only trying to get insight which isn't true you're calming he's trying to debate well buddy there is a difference between debating a topic and trying to argue against people's beliefs and opinions in an attempt to have other people agree. All that in attempt to feel as if what you say everyone believes or at least should believe.

Whether he dictates or says it suggestively he is still only stating his opinion and reasons why he believes what he believes. Forums are made in part for threads like these and as I said before members who don't have anything to remark towards the OP shouldn't comment.

 

[SasukeSaviourofUchiha]

Already made a thread on this. You late

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[Raekwon26]

Gaara is an entirely different matter.. nagato and Gaara are not comparable.. And no we don't forgive Nagato either.. Because Naruto himself never forgave Nagato either..

Nah, they're not different. Not at all.

You can make a thread with a poll right now asking how many people forgive Nagato and you'd get a resounding answer.

 

[MAN OF SIN]

Sure he messed up, but because of him the Shinobi world has a better chance at living.

He saved the world in the end that must count for something I mean I do not think there is a greater act then saving the world.

Without him Sasuke would still be lost in the other world and both Naruto and Sasuke are needed to defeat Kayguya.

And he could have helped them some more if used Izangai or teleported the bone. But nope, he wanted to be with Rin.

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

And the ignorant still babble on about the same thing. Yo go learn to analyze things in depthful layers. And how the storyline is set up. How a character is set up.

I know Obito's character pretty well,I just wanted to see the other perspectives people had of him.Instead I got one person incorrectly doing some chair psycho-analysis on me which is pretty damn hilarious.

 

[Dark Magician]

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Obito did nothing wrong.

 

[Dark Artist]

man .. alot of butthurt obito fanboys here

 

[saw2097]

Maybe you guys need to calm down and actually read the context of the sentence, Naruto said: 'Obito wanted to become Hoakge ..... to me he was the coolest guy' .... He is clearly referring to the part of Obito who wanted to protect others.

Also you guys might have conviniently forgotten that Naruto asked Obito to face the consequences of his actions after switching sides during his TNJ.

What this guy said.

Naruto doesn't support Obito's crimes, he respects the good parts of him.

The part that saved his and Sasuke's lives, the part that sacrificed himself twice to save Kakashi, the part that wanted to be Hokage.

 

[KingHashirama]

I know Obito's character pretty well,I just wanted to see the other perspectives people had of him.Instead I got one person incorrectly doing some chair psycho-analysis on me which is pretty damn hilarious.

X_X, i was referring to the guy named Naestro. lol.

But yea bro, we aren't defending his actions.. we are defending Naruto calling hima cool guy... and why it wasn't something to rage about.. Obito is not a hero.. neither is Itachi.. neither is Nagato... Yet the other 2 are praised as Heroes for some reason. And its just funny that the many who disagree and complain about Obito getting called "cool" by Naruto are the ones who call Nagato and Itachi "heroes" "saviors".

In reality, Itachi/Nagato/Obito died as neutral people who had "cleansed" for their mistakes in the past. That is it. Naruto simply called Obito a cool guy, because obito wanted to be a Hokage and now he had just given his life for Naruto and Kakashi.. <<< That right there is saying alot already.


I mean i even explained the situation in a full depthful post , and how things connected .. Yet some people are still spouting the samething..

 

[SasukeSaviourofUchiha]

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Obito did nothing wrong.

^^^This right here

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

What this guy said.

Naruto doesn't support Obito's crimes, he respects the good parts of him.

The part that saved his and Sasuke's lives, the part that sacrificed himself twice to save Kakashi, the part that wanted to be Hokage.

See?This is the type of post I wanted to see.Thank you for contributing towards the topic along with KH.