Why are some people trying to excuse away Obito's crimes now?

[Xlad]

Maybe you guys need to calm down and actually read the context of the sentence, Naruto said: 'Obito wanted to become Hoakge ..... to me he was the coolest guy' .... He is clearly referring to the part of Obito who wanted to protect others.

Also you guys might have conviniently forgotten that Naruto asked Obito to face the consequences of his actions after switching sides during his TNJ.

He lost his mask. Your post failed.

You're welcome.

 

[Avani]

I've been noticing a lot of posts defending or even waving away Obito's previous actions in several threads.Some people were even excusing his actions that caused the deaths of Naruto's parents by saying it was "Kid Obito". As if that is supposed to be some justification.

Obito may have died this chapter, but let's not sweep the things he did under the rug and pretend it didn't happen.

You are forgetting that Obito did realize what he did and he tried to redeem himself as much he could in the short remaining time. Few parties in the shinobi alliance who have been in previous wars and not a noob have clean hands. Obito may be answerable to hell lot of people but BZ was not the one having any right to insult him under circumstances when he had manipulated him all through this. Obbito who wanted to become hokage was awesome guy till he met BZ and Madara.

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Anyway his dialogue is open to interpretation. Since the MS translation is already different and I don't know how Viz will put it.
But I don't see any reason to get so worked up.

 

[Sageof7Path]

I'm not telling anyone to do anything.:|

Ok then if people want to forgive Obito why make a fuss about it when it's their choice and SHOULDN'T effect you at all.

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

Btw,I have not once mentioned Naruto in my OP.I specifically asked why some people were excusing Obito's past crimes just because he made a heroic sacrifice.

Maybe some of you should read the thread before posting.

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

Ok then if people want to forgive Obito why make a fuss about it when it's their choice that SHOULDN'T effect you at all.

So asking a question is me making a fuss now?Some people.....U_U

 

[Clouds]

Not my point both are murderers there's no excusing that, but how can you forgive one because he had a explanation for a crime, but condemn the other even though with his help Madara/Kaguya would have already won.
Obito had absolutely no reason to help Naruto and co, but he did anyway.

There is no way to excuse murder. But people see Itachi as a hero because he took the burden of all the other people on himself.
He saved lots of other people. He's a hero to most quantity of people but a villain to the uchiha.

Obito on the other hand messed everything up and was the cause of Kaguya and killing all the people himself ( no one sees him as a hero on both sides )

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

You are forgetting that Obito did realize what he did and he tried to redeem himself as much he could in the short remaining time. Few parties in the shinobi alliance who have been in previous wars and not a noob have clean hands. Obito may be answerable to hell lot of people but BZ was not the one having any right to insult him under circumstances when he had manipulated him all through this. Obbito who wanted to become hokage was awesome guy till he met BZ and Madara.

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Anyway his dialogue is open to interpretation. Since the MS translation is already different and I don't know how Viz will put it.
But I don't see any reason to get so worked up.

I know Obito realized he was wrong and made some attempt at redeeming himself,I just wanted to understand how that excuses his past actions and why people are making excuses for him.

 

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He was the reason Madara was rinne tensei'd and why that lead to Kaguya coming back. He had a reason to help Sasuke and Naruto

BZ rinne tensei Madara and Kabuto edo tensei him. for all we know BZ could have possessed any fodder installed a rinnegan and RT Madara back to life.

 

[Sageof7Path]

Btw,I have not once mentioned Naruto in my OP.I specifically asked why some people were excusing Obito's past crimes just because he made a heroic sacrifice.

Maybe some of you should read the thread before posting.

More like ranting and trying to combat against people's reasons for "forgiving" Obito. You even said that "we shouldn't sweep his actions under the rug or forgive him." Like seriously if some one wants to look past what Obito has done that's their choice as a reader/ anime watcher. No one makes posts asking "why are some of these guys so butt hurt over evil manga feats an hold a grudge against a fictional character why can't they like and look past his actions." No I haven't seen any thread quite like this one. They let you hold on to things so why make a big fuss about them "forgiving?"

 

[Johndoesknowall]

BZ rinne tensei Madara and Kabuto edo tensei him. for all we know BZ could have possessed any fodder installed a rinnegan and RT Madara back to life.

What does @Bold have to do with anything.

It wasn't just anybody, it was Obito and yes with the help of BZ. Matter of fact Obito was the one who unleashed the Jubi aswell. No matter how you look a it he basically owes Sasuke and Naruto alot more than he gave before he died.

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

More like ranting and trying to combat against people's reasons for "forgiving" Obito. You even said that "we shouldn't sweep his actions under the rug or forgive him." Like seriously if some one wants to look past what Obito has done that's their choice as a reader/ anime watcher. No one makes posts asking "why are some of these guys so butt hurt over evil manga feats an hold a grudge against a fictional character why can't they like and look past his actions." No I haven't seen any thread quite like this one. They let you hold on to things so why make a big fuss about them "forgiving?"

If I wanted to rant then I would've.And instead of making laughably wrong assumptions about me maybe you should stick to the topic at hand.

 

[KingHashirama]

People were spouting this kind of crap, when Naruto said this stuff also:

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However, Naruto can relate to Obito.....and this is when Naruto put the reality in front of Obito.. how things actually are.. compared to his childhood dream :

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And then Obito and Naruto talk about their dream of Hokage. And how Obito claimed he was becoming something above an Hokage.. and Naruto was questioning him.. "Do you seriously think so? " Do you seriously think you are becoming something above an Hokage.

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And then obito here realized.. what he wanted to do as Hokage and shares his point of view on being Hokage.. acheiving your objective by running through and finding a shortcut.. :

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This is where Naruto tells him what Hokage is trully about.. its about standing in front of your people and enduring the pain and taking the hard way.

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^^ Now notice what Naruto said there... And what Obito did in the current chapter.. He stood in front of Naruto and Kakashi and all of them.. And protected them. He could've Kamui'd the bone that was going to attack him.. but not he sacrificed himself for his bestfriend that he had "betrayed". He sacrificed himself for someone who he believes is the guy who will be Hokage.



And notice that even here Naruto told him to come to his side.. Come to our side Obito.. stop hiding Obito ..

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However, just before thatt.. he also told obito he couldn't forgive what Obito had done.. and thats why he shoudl come back and accept his punishment:

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[Johndoesknowall]

More like ranting and trying to combat against people's reasons for "forgiving" Obito. You even said that "we shouldn't sweep his actions under the rug or forgive him." Like seriously if some one wants to look past what Obito has done that's their choice as a reader/ anime watcher. No one makes posts asking "why are some of these guys so butt hurt over evil manga feats an hold a grudge against a fictional character why can't they like and look past his actions." No I haven't seen any thread quite like this one. They let you hold on to things so why make a big fuss about them "forgiving?"

Well no matter how you look at it, "the eagle" does have his own opinion and can ask for reasons of things he might not agree with or understand. Let him question people who forgive Obito or whatever until he is satisfied. It's his decision for it and people who have no opinion or remark towards the OP shouldn't comment.

 

[Sageof7Path]

So asking a question is me making a fuss now?Some people.....U_U

Yeah in sort of making a fuss but here's the difference oh high and mighty one. You're making a big deal trying to argue against other peoples own opinions and views in an attempt to some how make them share some standard of acceptance and retribution that YOU feel is just... When it's just an anime! Now what I'm arguing about is how people like you think they can tell people who to forgive or how to view something. I'm not arguing in defense of an anime character I'm defending my right as a manga/ anime fan to view anything or any situation how ever I see fit. Not trying to appease your views.... This thread is bull shit.

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

Well no matter how you look at it, "the eagle" does have his own opinion and can ask for reasons of things he might not agree with or understand. Let him question people who forgive Obito or whatever until he is satisfied. It's his decision for it and people who have no opinion or remark towards the OP shouldn't comment.

Thank you,all I wanted was to get insight into other people's reasoning for Obito's actions.

 

[RedRobin]

No one is defending his actions, not even Naruto. He isnt calling the man who did all that shit the coolest guy, he is calling the kid who cared for his comrades and wanted to become Hokage the coolest guy.

 

[Naestro]

Now I'm not defending Obito here cos I think that what he did was wrong too, but Obito didn't do everything he did just because of Rin, she was just a catalyst. The moment Obito lost Rin, he lost all faith in peace and the world, just as Madara did. Obito lived in a time of war too remember.

Madara did not lose hope in the world because "Rin died" Please and no Obito did not live in a time of war. He lived in a team where there were tensions between the clans but there were no war. He did not lose anyone besides "Rin" There is/was never an indication that he lost anyone else, it has never been mentioned. You cannot compare Madara's reasons to Obito's. I just explained why in a post earlier which i assume you did not read or else you wouldn't be writting this.

Madara saw his family butchered 1 by 1 infront of him, his clan members were constantly dying. He participated in countless wards, once he Co-founded this village, he saw that his clan was not gonna be treated well while he the co-founder of this village was not being treated well. He knew once tobirama would be hokage his clan would be terminated.

Madara wanted real peace, his journey began because of war and deaths. He wanted to find real peace but he was misguided and misinformed.

Obito became bad because and only because "Rin died", Obito was perfectly normal before Rin died. He wanted to become hokage and everyone to acknowledge him. Once "Rin" died everything changed. That is the weakest character and stupidest reason for someone to murder countless people's parents, daughters, sons, husbands, wives, kids.

It cannot be justified in any way possible.

 

[Johndoesknowall]

Yeah in sort of making a fuss but here's the difference oh high and mighty one. You're making a big deal trying to argue against other peoples own opinions and views in an attempt to some how make them share some standard of acceptance and retribution that YOU feel is just... When it's just an anime! Now what I'm arguing about is how people like you think they can tell people who to forgive or how to view something. I'm not arguing in defense of an anime character I'm defending my right as a manga/ anime fan to view anything or any situation how ever I see fit. Not trying to appease your views.... This thread is bull shit.

You must not know what goes on in these forums. What he is doing is debating. It is commonly used to view different perspectives and battle others ideas. If you just want to state something and leave it there then leave this thread, because he isn't only stating something but also questioning the actions of others aswell.

 

[Sageof7Path]

Well no matter how you look at it, "the eagle" does have his own opinion and can ask for reasons of things he might not agree with or understand. Let him question people who forgive Obito or whatever until he is satisfied. It's his decision for it and people who have no opinion or remark towards the OP shouldn't comment.

If he's trying to ask an honest question then why try to combat the opinions of other people? It would be understandable if he just said I believe Obito does not deserve forgiveness for this that and the third. But to come out and try and tell other people that their own opinions are flawed.... And that they shouldn't e forgiving a certain fictional character? That's just challenging people's opinions which really speaks volumes for the op.

 

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What does @Bold have to do with anything.

It wasn't just anybody, it was Obito and yes with the help of BZ. Matter of fact Obito was the one who unleashed the Jubi aswell. No matter how you look a it he basically owes Sasuke and Naruto alot more than he gave before he died.

Owes Sasuke? he partially to blame for that as well. Obito had nothing to live for he could have join Madara even after losing to Naruto and Sasuke, he did it because he wanted to.