WHy are people saying EMS Madara is overrated??

[Zaiigoukyou]

If madara used his sharingan the Kages would have already lost along time ago..It was already stated in order to fight Madara you can not look him in the eyes..All the kages have already done that.

The first thing Madara did when he busted out the coffin was paralyze a fodder ninja as soon as he made eye contact.

Second of all Madara hasn't even used his full Susanno yet...

He hasn't displayed any of his MS techs..

If his fire techs were overpowered you don't think his MS techs will be EXPECT an amaretsu that just a powerful as a his fire techs or even more powerful and would probably incinerate the entire battle field. I wouldn't be surprised if his Tsukynami...was moren broke then Itachi's. I wouldn't be suprised if he could put mutliple opponents in his Tsukynami at the same time if he wanted.

Uchiha posses the most powerful chakra out of any clan...

Kakashi struggles to wield 1 sharingan for a short time while Itachi, Madara, Sasuke etc. etc. run around with it on all the time..


The Uchiha have the most powerful genjutsu users because of their high spiritual powers.

You can't even fight a Uchiha 1 vs. 1 without special powers because you can't even look them in the eyes unless your guy, a jinchinrukin or another sharingan user.

Their pretty much immune to genjutsu...and can decipher any ninjutsu/taijutsu

EMS madara has all these abilities and probably then some. He may have better preception the a normal Uchiha....

We have no clue what jutsus Madara has at his disposal...

I'm pretty sure fire techs aren't his only jutsus...but everything is situational based so he won;t use any jutsus that aren't neccasary...even if EMS madara only had fire jutsus I'm pretty sure we haven't seen them all.


I still don't see how ninjas like the Raikage, Tsunade, Orochimaru, Jiraiya, or any of the Kages could have possibly touch EMS madara.

It took a joint effort between 3 Kages just to create an opening for an attack that he choose to counter with the rinnegan. It's debately wether or not madara would have survived the attack between Naruto, gaara, and oonoki without the rinnegan.

Tsunade is the physically strongest ninja in the manga arguebly(Gai, third raikage, KCM v2 Naruto etc..) and she can't break through susanno..


4th raikage can't even put a scratch in susanno without Oonaki's help.


Idk...I'm failing to see why EMS madara is overrated.

 

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that isnt real madara

edo madara>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> living madara

 

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If madara used his sharingan the Kages would have already lost along time ago..It was already stated in order to fight Madara you can not look him in the eyes..All the kages have already done that.

The first thing Madara did when he busted out the coffin was paralyze a fodder ninja as soon as he made eye contact.

Second of all Madara hasn't even used his full Susanno yet...

He hasn't displayed any of his MS techs..

If his fire techs were overpowered you don't think his MS techs will be EXPECT an amaretsu that just a powerful as a his fire techs or even more powerful and would probably incinerate the entire battle field. I wouldn't be surprised if his Tsukynami...was moren broke then Itachi's. I wouldn't be suprised if he could put mutliple opponents in his Tsukynami at the same time if he wanted.

Uchiha posses the most powerful chakra out of any clan...

Kakashi struggles to wield 1 sharingan for a short time while Itachi, Madara, Sasuke etc. etc. run around with it on all the time..


The Uchiha have the most powerful genjutsu users because of their high spiritual powers.

You can't even fight a Uchiha 1 vs. 1 without special powers because you can't even look them in the eyes unless your guy, a jinchinrukin or another sharingan user.

Their pretty much immune to genjutsu...and can decipher any ninjutsu/taijutsu

EMS madara has all these abilities and probably then some. He may have better preception the a normal Uchiha....

We have no clue what jutsus Madara has at his disposal...

I'm pretty sure fire techs aren't his only jutsus...but everything is situational based so he won;t use any jutsus that aren't neccasary...even if EMS madara only had fire jutsus I'm pretty sure we haven't seen them all.


I still don't see how ninjas like the Raikage, Tsunade, Orochimaru, Jiraiya, or any of the Kages could have possibly touch EMS madara.

It took a joint effort between 3 Kages just to create an opening for an attack that he choose to counter with the rinnegan. It's debately wether or not madara would have survived the attack between Naruto, gaara, and oonoki without the rinnegan.

Tsunade is the physically strongest ninja in the manga arguebly(Gai, third raikage, KCM v2 Naruto etc..) and she can't break through susanno..


4th raikage can't even put a scratch in susanno without Oonaki's help.


Idk...I'm failing to see why EMS madara is overrated.

I think that's wrong.

 

[PerfectGenjutsu]

If madara used his sharingan the Kages would have already lost along time ago..It was already stated in order to fight Madara you can not look him in the eyes..All the kages have already done that.

The first thing Madara did when he busted out the coffin was paralyze a fodder ninja as soon as he made eye contact.

Second of all Madara hasn't even used his full Susanno yet...

He hasn't displayed any of his MS techs..

If his fire techs were overpowered you don't think his MS techs will be EXPECT an amaretsu that just a powerful as a his fire techs or even more powerful and would probably incinerate the entire battle field. I wouldn't be surprised if his Tsukynami...was moren broke then Itachi's. I wouldn't be suprised if he could put mutliple opponents in his Tsukynami at the same time if he wanted.

Uchiha posses the most powerful chakra out of any clan...

Kakashi struggles to wield 1 sharingan for a short time while Itachi, Madara, Sasuke etc. etc. run around with it on all the time..


The Uchiha have the most powerful genjutsu users because of their high spiritual powers.

You can't even fight a Uchiha 1 vs. 1 without special powers because you can't even look them in the eyes unless your guy, a jinchinrukin or another sharingan user.

Their pretty much immune to genjutsu...and can decipher any ninjutsu/taijutsu

EMS madara has all these abilities and probably then some. He may have better preception the a normal Uchiha....

We have no clue what jutsus Madara has at his disposal...

I'm pretty sure fire techs aren't his only jutsus...but everything is situational based so he won;t use any jutsus that aren't neccasary...even if EMS madara only had fire jutsus I'm pretty sure we haven't seen them all.


I still don't see how ninjas like the Raikage, Tsunade, Orochimaru, Jiraiya, or any of the Kages could have possibly touch EMS madara.

It took a joint effort between 3 Kages just to create an opening for an attack that he choose to counter with the rinnegan. It's debately wether or not madara would have survived the attack between Naruto, gaara, and oonoki without the rinnegan.

Tsunade is the physically strongest ninja in the manga arguebly(Gai, third raikage, KCM v2 Naruto etc..) and she can't break through susanno..


4th raikage can't even put a scratch in susanno without Oonaki's help.


Idk...I'm failing to see why EMS madara is overrated.

He has used his sharingan....Susanoo is produced from the sharingan...

Also, Sasuke and Itachi battled for a while without even moving so they aren't immune to genjutsu.

And you portray regular Uchiha having "greater chakra"? and no one can 1v1 any? How do you explain the whole Uchiha clan getting massacred by Itachi? Not all Uchiha are destined to be great, Or else the whole clan wouldn't have gotten wiped out by one Uchiha.

 

[Kwalker394]

I can see where you can be confused over this but your mistaken. Just because Sauske and Itachi can use amaretsu dosnt mean madara can. Every MS is differnt from everyone else. That being said he does have high power Genjutsu as seen when he paralyze that one ninja in a instant but that also dosnt mean its Tsukynami. Now to answer your questions. Yes he has been using his sharingan from the beginning and he also HAD to use his MS. But when naruto almost hit him with his rasenshuriken he HAD to go to the rinnegan.

And as for "Greater Chakra" No that goes to the uzumaki clan. Its been stated in the manga and the anime already the the uzumaki clan had the greatest chakra. Hint why they were wiped out during the great ninja war and because of their sealing jutsu's. They were also called the clan of eternal life because of their chakra.

Also Tsunade did break through susanno so did gaara with his fast moving sand. They didnt destroy it but they breached it. But you still fail to grasp something after all of your ranting. the Rinnegan is what you get after you surpassed the sharingan. That being said He is using a eye technique that is far greater than the EMS. So again to recap.

The kages havnt looked into his eyes yet.
We dont even know if he can use frull susanno (but we can kinda infer that he does have it)
He dosnt have amaretsu and he might not have Tsukynami
And they have already brached his Susanno

 

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its overrateded cause we havent seen how its better compared to MS

 

[Zaiigoukyou]

I think that's wrong.

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Unequal, Unmatched, Unrivaled, winner, unsurpassed.

Again, Pre-MS Itachi wiped them out....

 

[Zaiigoukyou]

I can see where you can be confused over this but your mistaken. Just because Sauske and Itachi can use amaretsu dosnt mean madara can. Every MS is differnt from everyone else. That being said he does have high power Genjutsu as seen when he paralyze that one ninja in a instant but that also dosnt mean its Tsukynami. Now to answer your questions. Yes he has been using his sharingan from the beginning and he also HAD to use his MS. But when naruto almost hit him with his rasenshuriken he HAD to go to the rinnegan.

And as for "Greater Chakra" No that goes to the uzumaki clan. Its been stated in the manga and the anime already the the uzumaki clan had the greatest chakra. Hint why they were wiped out during the great ninja war and because of their sealing jutsu's. They were also called the clan of eternal life because of their chakra.

Also Tsunade did break through susanno so did gaara with his fast moving sand. They didnt destroy it but they breached it. But you still fail to grasp something after all of your ranting. the Rinnegan is what you get after you surpassed the sharingan. That being said He is using a eye technique that is far greater than the EMS. So again to recap.

The kages havnt looked into his eyes yet.
We dont even know if he can use frull susanno (but we can kinda infer that he does have it)
He dosnt have amaretsu and he might not have Tsukynami
And they have already brached his Susanno

1) What Uzamiki had the greatest sealing techniques and phyiscal lifeforce??

Where in the heck did you get chakra from???

It's been stated by the manga itself that Uchiha had the

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I think the the problem is people don't know how to read lol.

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s chakra. Thats why danzo and Kakashi have to roll around with a band aide over there eye.

Your confused man.

Here you go making up rules it been stated by the MANGA You need Tsukinami and Amaterasu in order to unlock Susanno.

The only user who can't use MS techs is Kakashi because he isn't a Uchiha...

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If I came off rude I apologize but your calling me confused and argueing with made up facts about the manga. It's almost silly.

 

[Zaiigoukyou]

Again, Pre-MS Itachi wiped them out....

Link that PRE PRE MS Itachi wiped them out.

But this is coming from the guy that said he killed shusui and pretended to be evil for more then half the series...

I don't believe anything Itachi says or does anymore.

 

[Zaiigoukyou]

He has used his sharingan....Susanoo is produced from the sharingan...

Also, Sasuke and Itachi battled for a while without even moving so they aren't immune to genjutsu.

And you portray regular Uchiha having "greater chakra"? and no one can 1v1 any? How do you explain the whole Uchiha clan getting massacred by Itachi? Not all Uchiha are destined to be great, Or else the whole clan wouldn't have gotten wiped out by one Uchiha.

Only Uchiha can fight against other Uchiha..I said that in my first post.

Either special powers or a jinchinrukin or a uchiha can fight against another uchiha..

THis was stated by the Manga....

Every single point in my first post can be backed my by the manga itself. I could pull pages from the manga but I'm too lazy...but I will if I have 2.

But if you must know Chiyo explained that only those with special powers(1st Hokage, 4th Hokage etc. etc.) a jinchrunkin (naruto, killer bee) or sharigan users can fight other sharignan users.)

Ex

 

[Kwalker394]

And where do you get that kakashi cant use MS? HE CAN if you read/watched the anime and manga you would know that by now.

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Hmmmmm born with strong chakra eh? that rings alot of bells about the uzumaki clan huh? Just like uzumaki mito dont you think? Im not saying the uchiha chakra isnt strong but Im saying its not the STRONGEST.

And should I mention this?

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If you want to play proof games with me I can play right back so make sure you know what your talking about first ok :scorps:

 

[Zaiigoukyou]

And where do you get that kakashi cant use MS? HE CAN if you read/watched the anime and manga you would know that by now.

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Hmmmmm born with strong chakra eh? that rings alot of bells about the uzumaki clan huh? Just like uzumaki mito dont you think? Im not saying the uchiha chakra isnt strong but Im saying its not the STRONGEST.

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If you want to play proof games with me I can play right back so make sure you know what your talking about first ok :scorps:

I never said he couldn't use the MS. I said he couldnt use the original MS techs. If he could have he would have.


So let me get this straight. I have page in this thread actually a post few posts up from your post with a page from the manga stating uchiha has the most powerful chakra and another posted from the manga.stating the uzamaki clan have the greatest life force and sealing techniques and your still argueing that fact.

Your post previews absolutely nothing. what does life force and chakra capacity have to do with potency of chakra?

They are 3 different things.


You know what I'm not even going to argue. I'm getting really tired of people bashing madara and spreading false information. It's getting old. So I will make a thread with evidence you cannot argue with and just put the nail in the coffin.

 

[Kwalker394]

I never said he couldn't use the MS. I said he couldnt use the original MS techs. If he could have he would have.


So let me get this straight. I have page in this thread actually a post few posts up from your post with a page from the manga stating uchiha has the most powerful chakra and another posted from the manga.stating the uzamaki clan have the greatest life force and sealing techniques and your still argueing that fact.

Your post previews absolutely nothing. what does life force and chakra capacity have to do with potency of chakra?

They are 3 different things.


You know what I'm not even going to argue. I'm getting really tired of people bashing madara and spreading false information. It's getting old. So I will make a thread with evidence you cannot argue with and just put the nail in the coffin.

Just because your an uchiha fan boy dosnt mean that your always right. I like Itachi (an uchiha) but it dosnt mean that i'll fight tooth and nail just to prove a false point. Get over your self you cant be right all the time. I stated my facts and you stated your so GET OVER IT.

 

[PerfectGenjutsu]

Also that quote from the manga is stated by tobi, An Uchiha saying Uchiha's chakra's are suberb...

 

[Uchihajin Sasuke]

I never said he couldn't use the MS. I said he couldnt use the original MS techs. If he could have he would have.


So let me get this straight. I have page in this thread actually a post few posts up from your post with a page from the manga stating uchiha has the most powerful chakra and another posted from the manga.stating the uzamaki clan have the greatest life force and sealing techniques and your still argueing that fact.

Your post previews absolutely nothing. what does life force and chakra capacity have to do with potency of chakra?

They are completely different things.

Uchihas have the strongest type chakra, while Senju or Uzumaki had the greatest capacity, two are completely different things.

But for me, I rather have 10 bullets (chakra) that can be used on an AK-47 (spiritual energy or will energy, the one that regulates, molds and turns chakra into lethal weapons), than having 100 bullets (uzumaki chakra capacity) that has to be used on a sling-shot (uzumaki chakra potency)

 

[Zaiigoukyou]

Uchihas have the strongest type chakra, while Senju or Uzumaki had the greatest capacity, two are completely different things.

But for me, I rather have 10 bullets (chakra) that can be used on an AK-47 (spiritual energy or will energy, the one that regulates, molds and turns chakra into lethal weapons), than having 100 bullets (uzumaki chakra capacity) that has to be used on a sling-shot (uzumaki chakra potency)

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already did, and in fact gave you +reps

 

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People say it because he was about to be killed by a combination attack from Gaara and Naruto that would've pretty much killed anyone in that situation. It's simply a pathetic attempt to downplay ems.

 

[Zaiigoukyou]

People say it because he was about to be killed by a combination attack from Gaara and Naruto that would've pretty much killed anyone in that situation. It's simply a pathetic attempt to downplay ems.

Check this thread out I pretty much shoot down that argument.

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