I've been reading a lot about how MS sasuke would beat pain but its to hard to believe after watching him fight bee right before that with the help of his friends an couldn't get it done so this mist mean bee can beat pain right?? He had a very hard time with danzo an this is when his eyes got stronger an I believe danzo is know where near pain level but he still need help from karin to be someone like him so to say ms sasuke can beat pain is funny when there are no type of feats before showing he can
why are people downing Pain
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Sasuke was inexperienced with MS during the Bee battle, while Naruto was experienced with SM and had intel during the Pain battle. If Sasuke MS (With Susano) with Intel against Pain, Sasuke would win. Even Naruto, who had SM at the time, admitted he could not beat Sasuke without the Nine Tails.
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MS Sasuke has shown several analytical feats, and feats in taking full advantage of any weaknesses he spots.
He has shown great capabilities in CQC fighting, shurikenjutsu, Katon, and Raiton. This means that using Raiton, he could easily attack Pein during the 5 second time frame before Deva ST usages.
He has shown great capabilities in CQC fighting, shurikenjutsu, Katon, and Raiton. This means that using Raiton, he could easily attack Pein during the 5 second time frame before Deva ST usages.
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Or CQC against Preta
Amaterasu against The Cerberus, Hawk Summoning/Aoba against Animal path summonings
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Naruto could have never defeated Pain if it wasn't for the kyuubi. Naruto winning against a full powered Pain with just Sage Mode is impossible. Sasuke wouldn't last that long. Deva Pains abilities are way too much for Sasuke to handle.
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Firstly, the Sasuke that fought Bee was no different than 3T Sasuke. The only MS tech he used was Amaterasu and that also at the very end which sent Bee screaming like crazy. Aside from that, he was basically 3T Sasuke with MS design. His MS powers weren't completely blossomed by then.
Secondly, he only had a hard time against Danzo because Danzo was using Izanagi. He was basically fighting Izanagi, not Danzo. Otherwise, he could kill and even killed Danzo so many times in the same fight. He neg diffed Danzo right at the beginning of the battle and so many times after than, but Izanagi kept protecting him all that time. Trust me, even EMS Madara and SM Hashirama couldn't have done any better than Sasuke while Danzo's Izanagi is activated because whatever they do will go in vain and will be nullified no matter how powerful the technique is.
Thirdly, nobody said Sasuke could defeat Pain with resoluteness. Sasuke could only defeat Pain under two conditions:
1. His MS powers are fully peaked.
2. He faces the same circumstances as Naruto and same intel.
Secondly, he only had a hard time against Danzo because Danzo was using Izanagi. He was basically fighting Izanagi, not Danzo. Otherwise, he could kill and even killed Danzo so many times in the same fight. He neg diffed Danzo right at the beginning of the battle and so many times after than, but Izanagi kept protecting him all that time. Trust me, even EMS Madara and SM Hashirama couldn't have done any better than Sasuke while Danzo's Izanagi is activated because whatever they do will go in vain and will be nullified no matter how powerful the technique is.
Thirdly, nobody said Sasuke could defeat Pain with resoluteness. Sasuke could only defeat Pain under two conditions:
1. His MS powers are fully peaked.
2. He faces the same circumstances as Naruto and same intel.
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Are you really that ignorant? Or you don't know what Senjutsu and Rinnegan are and how they work?
What major accomplishment did Naruto do while he had Senjutsu? Did he not get owned by Pain when he had Senjutsu?
What are Senjutsu techniques going to do that non-Senjutsu techniques won't be able to do to harm Pain? And from where and how did you reach to the conclusion that Senjutsu is the only thing that will work against Pain and MS won't?
And how exactly will Senjutsu work against Deva Path? Any explanations? Naruto can't use Genjutsu, so let's remove that. Remaining are ninjutsu and taijutsu. If both can't work against Rinnegan, then how the hell do you expect Senjutsu to work since Senjutsu only empowers those two, nothing else?
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Lol u missed my point and yet u probably upset that i brought up senjutsu having the more advantage against pain than what sasuke would have this was inevitable though since sasuke can beat everybody in ya minds. My point is senjutsu worked better against pain not definetly beat it but it worked better but since u can see even with sage mode the gab between pain and naruto was wide that alone means sasuke would struggle more all his jutsus gets absorbed and hic cqc isnt gonna beat asura path lol not to mention tendo pain almighty push and universal pull.
Oh and how will senjutsu work against deva path? It doesnt narutos clone withstood shinra tensei
Yes amaterasu would work against one of the animals at least but he cant spam it its hurting his eyes and there are alot of summonings he gets outnumbered. And i dont think his CQC is working against deva path or asura path
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I didn't miss the point, buddy. You're wrong here. Senjutsu doesn't have more advantage than MS. In fact, MS has more advantage than Senjutsu. Why would Sasuke need Senjutsu when he has the superior tool (MS) to fight Pain?
Let me give you an example. Against Deva Path, SM Naruto is pretty much helpless. His ninjutsu and taijutsu are useless since he and his jutsus will get repelled, and he doesn't have genjutsu skills at all (exluding the help from toads). And preparing the next attack will take more than 5 seconds. But Sasuke can still strategize and counter Pain's repulsion power and even land his own attack. He will shoot a Susanoo Arrow at Deva and when that gets repelled, Sasuke will keep a second one prepared and immediately shoot it while Pain won't be able to repel it due to 5 second recharge period.
Sasuke can't beat everybody. Sasuke would most probably lose to a full powered Pain, let alone Nagato. According to us, Sasuke would win mid diff given the same circumstances as Naruto.
It didn't work better against Pain. It worked good but MS would definitely perform better. I already gave you an example.
Yes, that was wide. It will still be wide for Sasuke even though Sasuke's MS > Naruto's SM.
Actually, he would struggle comparatively less than Naruto. How did you determine that he would struggle more? It's obvious that MS is superior due to better long range attacks.
His jutsus like Amaterasu and Susanoo Arrow aren't as slow as Naruto's jutsus like FRS that they will get absorbed so easily. Only if he uses ninjutsu on Preta, it will get absorbed, but Preta won't have enough time to absorb ninjutsu used on others since Sasuke's ninjutsu isn't slow like Naruto. The speed of his jutsus is way faster, and have a much higher chance to hit. Amaterasu and Susanoo Arrow can only be evaded by super fast shinobis. The likes of Pain can't outpace them.
Susanoo is more than a counter for Asura Path in CQC. It holds more raw power than Naruto's SM strikes. If Naruto's punch could destroy Asura Path, Sasuke has even better chances of demolishing it with Susanoo punch.
Sasuke can resist Universal Pull with Susanoo. And weaker Almighty Push can be countered using Susanoo as well. Nagato won't use the strong one which destroyed the village on Sasuke because it reduces Nagato's lifespan, and even if he does, it requires a lot of prep time in which Sasuke can easily escape using the Hawk. He can easily see the energy being set up using Sharingan. And Sasuke has better chances of taking advantage of Deva's 5 second time limit compared to Naruto due to speedier jutsus.
If Naruto clones withstood Shinra Tensei, then that means Sasuke has a much better chance to withstand Shinra Tensei because of Susanoo since Susanoo is a much sturdier and firmer structure than Naruto clones.
And BTW, that was a weak Shinra Tensei. A stronger one would have probably thrown those clones away.