Yeah she's definetly better. Haha that's like saying Konohamaru is better at using Rasengan than Naruto -_- haha
Why are Hashirama fans such haters?
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Yeah she's definetly better. Haha that's like saying Konohamaru is better at using Rasengan than Naruto -_- haha
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Hashirama's hype is built to an extent which completely fodderizes Hiruzen's hype. By the way, Hiruzen is not that great of a shinobi, just an old jizzer geezer.
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That's why they helped own first form of Jubi, right?
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Do you have any proof like databooks or manga pages?
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Hashirama >
God of shinobi> fairy tail xd how many times do I have to say it? Being a God means you > anything. Saying you don't exist because of your power doesnt compare >_>
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People always juse A-B-C logic
Guy defeated Kisame, and Bee didnt. Does that mean Guy > Bee? Hashirama won with Mito because he can surpress bijuu's power, and we do not know if Madara was able to use PS while controllin gthe Kyuubi.
If Hiruzen was 10 years younger wich is 59 (not even prime) then the figt with Orochimaru should have gone another way. Enma said it was miserable compared to his prime which obviously have seen both Hashirama and Tobirama
Guy defeated Kisame, and Bee didnt. Does that mean Guy > Bee? Hashirama won with Mito because he can surpress bijuu's power, and we do not know if Madara was able to use PS while controllin gthe Kyuubi.
If Hiruzen was 10 years younger wich is 59 (not even prime) then the figt with Orochimaru should have gone another way. Enma said it was miserable compared to his prime which obviously have seen both Hashirama and Tobirama
That's why he beat him, right? Hashirama fan logic is stupid. That's like saying Five Kage> Madara because they lost to him
I actually really like Hashirama and he is in my top 4 or 3 if sage of six paths doesn't count, but his fans just keep on hating
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Konoha called him the professor for being able to use all the jutsu that existed in the leaf.
He truly expressed his mastery of ninjutsu in his entire fight with orochimaru. Lacking large chakra reserves yet holding off hashirama/tobirama and orochimaru is a feat within itself not to mention it means he had perfect chakra control since it was stated he did not have chakra reserves like he used too.
He fought against perfect Edo's. I will explain why they were perfect with proof from the manga.
1: Orochimaru did not show any concern of them lacking power. He was slightly impressed with tobirama's suiton skills.
2: Kabuto stated that orochimaru had perfected Edo Tensei later in part 2. He even went on to say that they could use all their original techniques which I believe was kishi subliminally implying that Hashirama and Tobirama were fighting at their full potential. Also to be noted is that Zabuza/Haku/3rd Raikage/Nagato ect did not show a decrease in power when fighting with no emotions. Even Naruto went on to say that he was more powerful after his emotions were gotten rid of.
Orochimaru had full knowledge of Hiruzen but still could not destroy the leaf village due to hiruzen sealing his ninjutsu and the 1st/2nd hokages.
Hiruzens chakra while severely lacking had a powerful aura to it. It was able to shatter the very ground he was standing on when released. In my opinion that's badass in every aspect of the word.
His speed with hand seals was incredible. Being able to match Orochimaru who was originally supposed to be hokage and being able to attack the 1st and 2nd hokage before they could even form a seal with Fire Dragon Napalm. Lets not forget Orochimaru was a prodigy and a genius ninja.
Hiruzen showed absolutely no fear when the thought of facing the 1st and 2nd hokage's went into his mind. His only concern was against Minato. This shows that Hiruzen while already confident about beating orochimaru was confident in beating the 1st and 2nd hokage as well.
He was able to destroy Wood release with ease using Enma. Something naruto while albeit on a higher scale has only been able to accomplish. I speak of hashirama's perfect wood releasenot Yamato's. Also not even Susanoo's arrows could destroy wood release but only pierce it.
The ANBU acknowledged both Orochimaru, Hashirama, Tobirama, and Hiruzen of being far from any level less then kage. They state it was so advanced meaning only kage level ninja would have a chance in a fight like this.
While struggling to use his Enma in his transformed state, he was able to slip explosive tags on Tobirama and Hashirama without either noticing along with orochimaru. This shows his ability to employ stealth tactics in broad daylight without Kage level ninja noticing. Quite a feat.
Hiruzen didn't use Death Reaper seal just because it was his only seal, but due to the fact that it was the most logical and tactical seal to use. A normal seal would allow orochimaru to summon the 1st and 2nd hokage's again thus prolonging the fight. By using the Death Reaper seal he made it so Konoha can never be attacked by the 1st hokage/2nd hokage/and orochimaru.
Orochimaru who was his student acknowledged him as the God of Shinobi. While he may only be called the God of Shinobi in konoha, it is a testament to his skills. Furthermore Kabuto acknowledges him as the strongest kage of the current 5. (4th Kazekage, 3rd Tschukage, 5th Mizukage, 4th Raikage.)
While using clones he was able to smell Hashirama and Tobirama out in a genjutsu. This is quite arguably is one of the greatest feats for hiruzen. Genjutsu disrupts the shinobi's senses already, clones are only equal to 10% of your skills, yet Hiruzens clones while having disrupted senses were able to smell out hashirama and tobirama and capture them. That is like being blind, only having 10% energy, and beating mike tyson in his prime.
Hiruzen was known to be able to use 1,000 skills(genjutsu in the viz translation) not by ebisu but also sakura acknowledges it.
It was even stated that in his fight with orochimaru and previous hokages he was on equal footing with them. Displaying powers that are beyond that of Hashirama alone, Tobirama alone, and Orochimaru alone. (search bar ftw)
Iruka stated that the third hokage was "The strongest of all" meaning all previous hokages that came before him were weaker then him yes that includes Minato since he was prior to his current term.
It was said that hiruzen fought on the front lines of the Second Shinobi world war. For him to do that fighting against terribly powerful ninja's like Hanzo in his prime(he was stated to be the strongest ninja of his time), the third kazekage(strongest kazekage), and the third tschukage who we have seen is no joke. This only exemplifies his prowess being able to fight battles against these types of shinobi's while surviving.
Hiruzen stated that his powers were far superior to Tobirama before Tobirama's death.
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He truly expressed his mastery of ninjutsu in his entire fight with orochimaru. Lacking large chakra reserves yet holding off hashirama/tobirama and orochimaru is a feat within itself not to mention it means he had perfect chakra control since it was stated he did not have chakra reserves like he used too.
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He fought against perfect Edo's. I will explain why they were perfect with proof from the manga.
1: Orochimaru did not show any concern of them lacking power. He was slightly impressed with tobirama's suiton skills.
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2: Kabuto stated that orochimaru had perfected Edo Tensei later in part 2. He even went on to say that they could use all their original techniques which I believe was kishi subliminally implying that Hashirama and Tobirama were fighting at their full potential. Also to be noted is that Zabuza/Haku/3rd Raikage/Nagato ect did not show a decrease in power when fighting with no emotions. Even Naruto went on to say that he was more powerful after his emotions were gotten rid of.
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Orochimaru had full knowledge of Hiruzen but still could not destroy the leaf village due to hiruzen sealing his ninjutsu and the 1st/2nd hokages.
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Hiruzens chakra while severely lacking had a powerful aura to it. It was able to shatter the very ground he was standing on when released. In my opinion that's badass in every aspect of the word.
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His speed with hand seals was incredible. Being able to match Orochimaru who was originally supposed to be hokage and being able to attack the 1st and 2nd hokage before they could even form a seal with Fire Dragon Napalm. Lets not forget Orochimaru was a prodigy and a genius ninja.
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Hiruzen showed absolutely no fear when the thought of facing the 1st and 2nd hokage's went into his mind. His only concern was against Minato. This shows that Hiruzen while already confident about beating orochimaru was confident in beating the 1st and 2nd hokage as well.
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He was able to destroy Wood release with ease using Enma. Something naruto while albeit on a higher scale has only been able to accomplish. I speak of hashirama's perfect wood releasenot Yamato's. Also not even Susanoo's arrows could destroy wood release but only pierce it.
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The ANBU acknowledged both Orochimaru, Hashirama, Tobirama, and Hiruzen of being far from any level less then kage. They state it was so advanced meaning only kage level ninja would have a chance in a fight like this.
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While struggling to use his Enma in his transformed state, he was able to slip explosive tags on Tobirama and Hashirama without either noticing along with orochimaru. This shows his ability to employ stealth tactics in broad daylight without Kage level ninja noticing. Quite a feat.
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Hiruzen didn't use Death Reaper seal just because it was his only seal, but due to the fact that it was the most logical and tactical seal to use. A normal seal would allow orochimaru to summon the 1st and 2nd hokage's again thus prolonging the fight. By using the Death Reaper seal he made it so Konoha can never be attacked by the 1st hokage/2nd hokage/and orochimaru.
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Orochimaru who was his student acknowledged him as the God of Shinobi. While he may only be called the God of Shinobi in konoha, it is a testament to his skills. Furthermore Kabuto acknowledges him as the strongest kage of the current 5. (4th Kazekage, 3rd Tschukage, 5th Mizukage, 4th Raikage.)
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While using clones he was able to smell Hashirama and Tobirama out in a genjutsu. This is quite arguably is one of the greatest feats for hiruzen. Genjutsu disrupts the shinobi's senses already, clones are only equal to 10% of your skills, yet Hiruzens clones while having disrupted senses were able to smell out hashirama and tobirama and capture them. That is like being blind, only having 10% energy, and beating mike tyson in his prime.
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Hiruzen was known to be able to use 1,000 skills(genjutsu in the viz translation) not by ebisu but also sakura acknowledges it.
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It was even stated that in his fight with orochimaru and previous hokages he was on equal footing with them. Displaying powers that are beyond that of Hashirama alone, Tobirama alone, and Orochimaru alone. (search bar ftw)
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Iruka stated that the third hokage was "The strongest of all" meaning all previous hokages that came before him were weaker then him yes that includes Minato since he was prior to his current term.
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It was said that hiruzen fought on the front lines of the Second Shinobi world war. For him to do that fighting against terribly powerful ninja's like Hanzo in his prime(he was stated to be the strongest ninja of his time), the third kazekage(strongest kazekage), and the third tschukage who we have seen is no joke. This only exemplifies his prowess being able to fight battles against these types of shinobi's while surviving.
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Hiruzen stated that his powers were far superior to Tobirama before Tobirama's death.
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That doesn't have anything to do with Hiruzen, does it ? Do you see Hiruzen in the first form ? No? I actually thought Sarutobi clan was extinct.
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Lmao dude I was kidding, I thought it was obvious.
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Tobirama was a time-space user and he didn't even use it once, all he did is some water and taijutsu attacks.
Hashirama didn't do anything either just a small forest, have you seen Zetsu fight, what Zetsu does is like 1% of Hashirama' powers and techniques, Hashirama uses electro-chemical signals to teleport on the ground from any living plant or tree to another, he can get under ground in a second and appear from a tree, he could change his appearance and chakra to match that of the enemy, he had the body of the sage with pure 100% Yang chakra, so he was immune to any Yin based genjutsu, he could heal himself instantaneously, hashirama could teleport into someones body and take control of it and feed on it by digesting the chemicals and absorbing the chakra. And these are just small portion of their powers.
And that's how Zetsu always teleports to Tobi to relay the news to him.
If either Hashirama or Tobirama had used at most 1% of their powers and techniques they would've annihilated the whole leaf village along side all of the fire country lol.
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Good shit, didnt even remember that Orochimaru called him god of shinobi etc in the fight. Repd
Agree 100% except for Hiruzen being stronger then tobirama at such a young age.
Oh not really xd
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His space time technique cannot be compared to Obito's/Minato's. Who knows, maybe he had to prepare the technique (in 5 minutes) in order to teleport? And his Edo tensei was unperfected and that can means many things; maybe just be able to revive the soul but not the body? Zetsu can do Mokuton and that is more than just 1% dude, did you see what black zetsu did to Mizukage with the Mokuton? It's not canon but still.
Who said Hashirama was the body of Sage? That is Naruto, and Sasuke is the eyes. Zetsu's are mutants and not humans and can logical teleport underground because they are the land itself, or wood. Hashirama is human so we cannt say he can teleport like Zetsu's.
Did Hiruzen use his 1000+ Jutsu? No
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Either Kishi meant stronger than all the students, or as well Tobirama. We don't know.
But i'm out.
I think he meant students. But me too for tonight