Who's to say Obito with both eyes can't unlock Ameterasu and Sussano'o?

[Sageof7Path]

Just about every Uchiha who's unlocked the MS sharingan are able to activate these techniques. Except for the case of Shisui which we can't be certain about because he passed away at a young age. That's why it doesn't make sense to me that when ever someone mentions the potential of Obito's Mangekyo Sharingan people on the base try and say that he isn't able to unlock the techniques of the other mangekyo sharingan users without having proof to their statements. I'm not saying that he can unlock them because I don't know for certain although I'm pretty sure that any mangekyo user can activate susano'o under the right scenario as indicated by the manga. What I'm looking to obtain by posting this thread is proof from other users who claim Obito is unable to activate the susano'o.

 

[Rikudo Ero Sennin]

I don't think anyone would say that

 

[BlacLord™]

Obito himself said that it was a rarity to unlock Susano'o.

 

[sealingscroll]

Why use susano when you have kamui world.

 

[Sageof7Path]

Obito himself said that it was a rarity to unlock Susano'o.

Rare does not mean unable.

 

[dark legion]

Who said it ???

only with one he is at top 10 , with two he is unstoppable ...

 

[Untamed]

well Shisui was known for KotoAmatsukami & Shunshin.

When Sasuke used Amateratsu on the Kage Summit against Ay , his subordinate compared Sasuke's Amateratsu to Itachi's.

Although we have never seen Itachi and the cloud village ninja together, or heard of them encountering each other, he still knew of Itachi using Amateratsu (black flames).

So I think if Shisui had Amateratsu or Susano'o then someone else would have mentioned them affiliated with Shisui.
Obito only mentioned KA affiliated with Shisui, but he did make notice of Sasuke's jutsu compared to Itachi's jutsu.

So I think Shisui probably didn't have Amateratsu , Tsukuyomi, Susano'o , but Kishi could still write it in there that he did.
However, MS eyes only have 1 special MS jutsu each, and Shisui had KA in both & Obito has Kamui in both.

 

[BlacLord™]

Rare does not mean unable.

We already have had three out of four relevant Uchiha using it, it would be illogical to have all of them use it. It would be a complete contradiction.

 

[-immortal-]

Because Databooks say so. i Would like to see what *madaras* secondd abilitie is Of his 2e Power. i would prefer knowing

 

[xKiD SPiiD3rMaN]

I think Susano'o, Amaterasu, and Tsukuyomi (by extension) are techniques that run through Madara's bloodline.

What I mean by that is that since the Uchiha clan is... a clan and that the leadership of the clan is usually passed through direct descendants (Madara's dad passed the leadership to him) that the power of Susano'o, Amaterasu, and Tsukuyomi run through the "main bloodline" of the Uchiha.

Of course I can't prove it, but it just seems like that's the case, as Fugaku would obviously make Itachi/Sasuke the leader of the clan which in my mind means that they directly descended from Madara or Izuna.

The other MS abilities aren't apart of the main bloodline like Obito and Shisui.

 

[~Naruto&Itachi~]

We already have had three out of four relevant Uchiha using it, it would be illogical to have all of them use it. It would be a complete contradiction.

So what you're saying is that there were only 4 uchihas to ever exist????

 

[Erebus]

I think you basically need 2 MS techs to unlock Susano'o, Obito need to unlock another MS tech b4 Susano'o, and it's not like everyone Uchiha must unlock Ameteratsu and Susano'o, it's probably different for most people.

 

[Sageof7Path]

I think Susano'o, Amaterasu, and Tsukuyomi (by extension) are techniques that run through Madara's bloodline.

What I mean by that is that since the Uchiha clan is... a clan and that the leadership of the clan is usually passed through direct descendants (Madara's dad passed the leadership to him) that the power of Susano'o, Amaterasu, and Tsukuyomi run through the "main bloodline" of the Uchiha.

Of course I can't prove it, but it just seems like that's the case, as Fugaku would obviously make Itachi/Sasuke the leader of the clan which in my mind means that they directly descended from Madara or Izuna.

The other MS abilities aren't apart of the main bloodline like Obito and Shisui.

Interesting theory but what observations led you to come to that idea?

 

[yondaime4]

We already have had three out of four relevant Uchiha using it, it would be illogical to have all of them use it. It would be a complete contradiction.

I think what made susanoo rare was the fact that noone unlocked ms but madara izuna sasuke itachi and obito, but what I really think about ms is that they all contain the same techs, the user just makes them his own variation.

Personally I think it could be possible to form ka from izanagi and tsukiyomi or something and kamui from izanagi as well. But I lack proof so my statements pretty much invalid. : S

 

[xKiD SPiiD3rMaN]

Interesting theory but what observations led you to come to that idea?

Lol the fact that out of all of the people that have shown Susano'o, Amaterasu, and a powerful genjutsu in their eyes, they have all been the leader (Madara) or were in the chain to become the leader (Itachi/Sasuke) while the other known Uchihas who unlocked MS were presumably not in the "main bloodline" so to speak of the Uchiha (Obito/Shisui)

 

[Sageof7Path]

Lol the fact that out of all of the people that have shown Susano'o, Amaterasu, and a powerful genjutsu in their eyes, they have all been the leader (Madara) or were in the chain to become the leader (Itachi/Sasuke) while the other known Uchihas who unlocked MS were presumably not in the "main bloodline" so to speak of the Uchiha (Obito/Shisui)

He was the head of the clan but who's to say he descended from Madara Uchiha or anyone with blood ties? Madara Uchiha never had children. In fact his dad and all of his brothers died. I honestly don't believe that the Uchiha had separate blood lines or clans I think they where all inbread.

 

[xKiD SPiiD3rMaN]

He was the head of the clan but who's to say he descended from Madara Uchiha or anyone with blood ties? Madara Uchiha never had children. In fact his dad and all of his brothers died. I honestly don't believe that the Uchiha had separate blood lines or clans I think they where all inbread.

That's the only reason I haven't confirmed it as a theory of mine. Because I don't know if Madara or Izuna had children so I can't say that it's the truth for sure.

But when I say main blood line I just really mean the line of succession for being the leader, kinda like how the Hyuuga clan is all inbred but there is a main branch and a side branch. That's why I put main bloodline in quotation marks.

 

[Tera Path]

I have a feeling that these techniques solely belong to a certain family of the Uchiha.
Then again, he still won't be able to unlock everything.

I have a feeling to unlock these techniques he will have to go through even more emotional pain.
He went through 1 stage, which gave him MS.

But unlocking more techniques for it? he will probably have to suffer from something again.
Like Sasuke.
Sasuke used Amaterasu because Itachi placed a jutsu on him to kill Obito, but that didn't work.

Once Sasuke saw that his team mates were in trouble and realized that they are actually not solely people who assist you in battle he used it willingly.

Not sure when he used Tsukuyomi, considering his is way weaker than Itachi's it must've been the genjutsu he used on Bee.

He had Susano'o ribcage to, which advanced into a full Susano'o after Danzo kept torturing him and insulting his brother and whatnot.
These are all emotional stages.

I doubt Obito had any, only he has had was losing Rin, and hes a tad bit emotional now that he's been TNJed.

 

[mrcrazyboyravi]

susanoo is for noob pussies. real uchiha don't need to hide under tortoise shell

 

[Mitarashi]

I'm to say it.
He's ****ing dead.