Whos stronger-Minato or Orochimaru

[Priyam Bhowmick]

Edo Tensei is a summoning jutsu, nothing more, nothing less. It is simply:

Kuchiyose: Edo Tensei or Summoning: Impure World Resurrection.

The contract seal is fuinjutsu and simply removes any direct control the summoner has over a what was summoned; it removed Tobi's control over the Kyuubi which he summoned to Konoha. That's all there is to it.

bt i m nt sure whether it would work on edos

 

[OnPoint]

bt i m nt sure whether it would work on edos

You have no evidence for that. I have canon you do not. An Edo summon is just like Gamabunta (for example); it gets summoned by a summoner. The being which is summoned has full control over their actions - the only difference is, Gamabunta chooses to fight for Jiraiya, whereas with the Edos, sometimes they are forced to fight so Orochimaru or Kabuto have to suppress their emotions and in some cases, take full control over them.

People claim that you need special seals to escape Edo Tensei, but you're not thinking about what you're saying; obviously special seals are needed because, essentially, it is a summoned creature removing the summoners control over it all by itself. Like if the Kyuubi magically removed Tobi's or Madara's control over it. Madara escaped from Kabuto's control. That would not be possible without knowing some special seals, because, normally, a 3rd party would be needed to remove the control.

 

[Priyam Bhowmick]

Oro And minato are very close in strength and skills so I'll say orochimaru takes this because you saw him toy with 4 tails naruto like he would against a genin but it doesn't mean that minato is weaker than itachi.

I kinda agree bt i thnk u meant to mention Oro instead of Itachi

 

[DevonV]

You have no evidence for that. I have canon you do not. An Edo summon is just like Gamabunta (for example); it gets summoned by a summoner. The being which is summoned has full control over their actions - the only difference is, Gamabunta chooses to fight for Jiraiya, whereas with the Edos, sometimes they are forced to fight so Orochimaru or Kabuto have to suppress their emotions and in some cases, take full control over them.

People claim that you need special seals to escape Edo Tensei, but you're not thinking about what you're saying; obviously special seals are needed because, essentially, it is a summoned creature removing the summoners control over it all by itself. Like if the Kyuubi magically removed Tobi's or Madara's control over it. Madara escaped from Kabuto's control. That would not be possible without knowing some special seals, because, normally, a 3rd party would be needed.

Edo Tensei is completely different then normal summons. And you dont have any proof ether that the contract seal would work. And too address one of your earlier statements about how Minato could just slice of Orochimaru's head, Orochimaru could just use Edo Tensei to revive Madara and than Minato is screwed. Plus the contract seal would not work on Madara because i know he would side with Orochimaru.

 

[Priyam Bhowmick]

You have no evidence for that. I have canon you do not. An Edo summon is just like Gamabunta (for example); it gets summoned by a summoner. The being which is summoned has full control over their actions - the only difference is, Gamabunta chooses to fight for Jiraiya, whereas with the Edos, sometimes they are forced to fight so Orochimaru or Kabuto have to suppress their emotions and in some cases, take full control over them.
Edo summons r nt same as normal summons. They r already dead. Tobi was besides controlling kyubi with his sharingan bt edo r bound by contracts nd need a special seal to break the contract. Minato just released the kyubi from Tobi's control. However this is just a possibility.

 

[OnPoint]

Edo Tensei is completely different then normal summons. And you dont have any proof ether that the contract seal would work. And too address one of your earlier statements about how Minato could just slice of Orochimaru's head, Orochimaru could just use Edo Tensei to revive Madara and than Minato is screwed. Plus the contract seal would not work on Madara because i know he would side with Orochimaru.

- Edo Tensei is the same, you are not presenting any contradictory data rather than your own baseless thoughts. The mechanics of the contract seal are as clear as day.
- Orochimaru does not have the feat of summoning Madara. That is more fanfiction.

 

[DevonV]

- Edo Tensei is the same, you are not presenting any contradictory data rather than your own baseless thoughts. The mechanics of the contract seal are as clear as day.
- Orochimaru does not have the feat of summoning Madara. That is more fanfiction.

First off the contract for Edo Tensei is NOTHING like other summons. First example is that there is a seal to bind the dead persons soul to a living body. Then there is another "seal" (not relay a seal) that goes into the persons head to control them. How will the contract seal stop any of this. Also keep in mind that if Kabuto or Orochimaru was killed while all the Edo were active they would have continued to fight, however in the case of Madara controlling the 9 tails if he was killed the 9 tails would no longer be under his control. So basically this is COMPLETELY DIFFERENT form when Minato used it on Tobi so you have no proof that it would work on Edo Tensei.

And yes Orochimaru dose have the feat to summon Madara. How dose he not?

 

[genii96]

Edo Tensei is a summoning jutsu, nothing more, nothing less. It is simply:

Kuchiyose: Edo Tensei or Summoning: Impure World Resurrection.

The contract seal is fuinjutsu and simply removes any direct control the summoner has over a what was summoned; it removed Tobi's control over the Kyuubi which he summoned to Konoha. That's all there is to it.

except the fact that edo tensei continues after the caster dies,which isnt the case for a normal summon,it's only weakness is the handseals used to stop it. The contract seal works for animal summons,because those are the ones that use contracts duh.

Edo dosent use contracts at all,it's a ritual done,the edos are kept in the coffin until the user is ready and then he summons them with kuchiyose:edo tensei. It's like a summoning tech,only much differentxd.contract seal isnt doing squat.
minato has only rasengan and frog summons,alongside ftg.

Rasengan is useless,bunta is pwned by manda. Ftg will help him for a while,oro will just send out 10000 snakes with kusanagis to destroy the kunais. You talk as if minato already has kunais everywhere. I havent even started on his forbidden techs,his hydra mode,his own funjitsu at all.

Oro is above minato for sure

 

[OnPoint]

First off the contract for Edo Tensei is NOTHING like other summons. First example is that there is a seal to bind the dead persons soul to a living body. Then there is another "seal" (not relay a seal) that goes into the persons head to control them. How will the contract seal stop any of this. Also keep in mind that if Kabuto or Orochimaru was killed while all the Edo were active they would have continued to fight, however in the case of Madara controlling the 9 tails if he was killed the 9 tails would no longer be under his control. So basically this is COMPLETELY DIFFERENT form when Minato used it on Tobi so you have no proof that it would work on Edo Tensei.

And yes Orochimaru dose have the feat to summon Madara. How dose he not?

It is a summon jutsu by name and by nature, and the mechanics of it are as clear as day. Again, you seem to be relaying your own thoughts whereas I have canon showing Kabuto performing the Kuchiyose no jutsu. You seem to be under the impression that the seals in the person's head are necessary; they are not. They are simply there to suppress the emotions of those who are unable to act autonomously. The contract seal removes the control the summoner possesses over the summon. If such a seal is used on Orochimaru, any and all control he has over Shodaime and Nidaime will be removed effortlessly. There is no evidence for your point regarding Madara; he summoned the Kyuubi and died many years later, yet, when he was summoned, he tried to then re-summon Kurama (not realising it was inside Naruto), implying that the connection between the two remained (even after death). This actually goes against your statement regarding the matter. The effect of the contract seal on Orochimaru would be exactly the same going by what has been canonically stated.

Orochimaru does not possess the feat of summoning. When in this manga has he ever summoned Uchiha Madara via Edo Tensei?

except the fact that edo tensei continues after the caster dies,which isnt the case for a normal summon,it's only weakness is the handseals used to stop it. The contract seal works for animal summons,because those are the ones that use contracts duh.

Edo dosent use contracts at all,it's a ritual done,the edos are kept in the coffin until the user is ready and then he summons them with kuchiyose:edo tensei. It's like a summoning tech,only much differentxd.contract seal isnt doing squat.
minato has only rasengan and frog summons,alongside ftg.

Rasengan is useless,bunta is pwned by manda. Ftg will help him for a while,oro will just send out 10000 snakes with kusanagis to destroy the kunais. You talk as if minato already has kunais everywhere. I havent even started on his forbidden techs,his hydra mode,his own funjitsu at all.

Oro is above minato for sure

Again, you are going against what has been canonically stated. The contract seal removes the control the summoner has over that which has been summoned, and Edo Tensei, as a Kuchiyose no jutsu, is not exempt from this rule. The preparation method is totally irrelevant, since it is the actual mechanics of the jutsu which tells us whether or not it'll be effected by the seal. Your logic does not account for why Madara was able to perform the Kuchiyose even after he had died and been summoned via Edo Tensei, only being denied by Naruto (as he's a Jinchuuriki of the 9 tails).

 

[DevonV]

It is a summon jutsu by name and by nature, and the mechanics of it are as clear as day. Again, you seem to be relaying your own thoughts whereas I have canon showing Kabuto performing the Kuchiyose no jutsu. You seem to be under the impression that the seals in the person's head are necessary; they are not. They are simply there to suppress the emotions of those who are unable to act autonomously. The contract seal removes the control the summoner possesses over the summon. If such a seal is used on Orochimaru, any and all control he has over Shodaime and Nidaime will be removed effortlessly. There is no evidence for your point regarding Madara; he summoned the Kyuubi and died many years later, yet, when he was summoned, he tried to then re-summon Kurama (not realising it was inside Naruto), implying that the connection between the two remained (even after death). This actually goes against your statement regarding the matter. The effect of the contract seal on Orochimaru would be exactly the same going by what has been canonically stated.

Orochimaru does not possess the feat of summoning. When in this manga has he ever summoned Uchiha Madara via Edo Tensei?

You know what I am done! You are ignoring all the facts, and what i gave you are facts. I should know better then to get into this with a Minato fan boy, because no matter what i say you say something complete ridicules that makes no scene and then say it is fact. Much like arguing evolution with creationist. So have a nice day even though you arguments are complete nonsense.

 

[OnPoint]

You know what I am done! You are ignoring all the facts, and what i gave you are facts. I should know better then to get into this with a Minato fan boy, because no matter what i say you say something complete ridicules that makes no scene and then say it is fact. Much like arguing evolution with creationist. So have a nice day even though you arguments are complete nonsense.

Tragic. You cannot argue with canon. You present baseless statements and throw a tantrum when you get found out by someone with half a brain. Do yourself a favour and stop spouting your fanfiction, it's laughable you think you're to be taken seriously while claiming Orochimaru has the feat of summoning Edo Madara. A Minato fanboy? lol, i've been called a Hashirama, Sasuke and Tsunade fanboy too, petty comments are only used by those who run out of silly things to say.

 

[blazekev90]

Omg not this again, like seriously get it together! We dont know the full ability of neither one of them, but Orochimaru has more chances at beating Minato and this is w/o Edo.

 

[TouchMyMangos]

It is a summon jutsu by name and by nature, and the mechanics of it are as clear as day. Again, you seem to be relaying your own thoughts whereas I have canon showing Kabuto performing the Kuchiyose no jutsu. You seem to be under the impression that the seals in the person's head are necessary; they are not. They are simply there to suppress the emotions of those who are unable to act autonomously. The contract seal removes the control the summoner possesses over the summon. If such a seal is used on Orochimaru, any and all control he has over Shodaime and Nidaime will be removed effortlessly. There is no evidence for your point regarding Madara; he summoned the Kyuubi and died many years later, yet, when he was summoned, he tried to then re-summon Kurama (not realising it was inside Naruto), implying that the connection between the two remained (even after death). This actually goes against your statement regarding the matter. The effect of the contract seal on Orochimaru would be exactly the same going by what has been canonically stated.

Orochimaru does not possess the feat of summoning. When in this manga has he ever summoned Uchiha Madara via Edo Tensei?



Again, you are going against what has been canonically stated. The contract seal removes the control the summoner has over that which has been summoned, and Edo Tensei, as a Kuchiyose no jutsu, is not exempt from this rule. The preparation method is totally irrelevant, since it is the actual mechanics of the jutsu which tells us whether or not it'll be effected by the seal. Your logic does not account for why Madara was able to perform the Kuchiyose even after he had died and been summoned via Edo Tensei, only being denied by Naruto (as he's a Jinchuuriki of the 9 tails).

This 100 times, great logic and explanation, +rep.

 

[genii96]

It is a summon jutsu by name and by nature, and the mechanics of it are as clear as day. Again, you seem to be relaying your own thoughts whereas I have canon showing Kabuto performing the Kuchiyose no jutsu. You seem to be under the impression that the seals in the person's head are necessary; they are not. They are simply there to suppress the emotions of those who are unable to act autonomously. The contract seal removes the control the summoner possesses over the summon. If such a seal is used on Orochimaru, any and all control he has over Shodaime and Nidaime will be removed effortlessly. There is no evidence for your point regarding Madara; he summoned the Kyuubi and died many years later, yet, when he was summoned, he tried to then re-summon Kurama (not realising it was inside Naruto), implying that the connection between the two remained (even after death). This actually goes against your statement regarding the matter. The effect of the contract seal on Orochimaru would be exactly the same going by what has been canonically stated.

Orochimaru does not possess the feat of summoning. When in this manga has he ever summoned Uchiha Madara via Edo Tensei?



Again, you are going against what has been canonically stated. The contract seal removes the control the summoner has over that which has been summoned, and Edo Tensei, as a Kuchiyose no jutsu, is not exempt from this rule. The preparation method is totally irrelevant, since it is the actual mechanics of the jutsu which tells us whether or not it'll be effected by the seal. Your logic does not account for why Madara was able to perform the Kuchiyose even after he had died and been summoned via Edo Tensei, only being denied by Naruto (as he's a Jinchuuriki of the 9 tails).

madara still has his contract with the kyubi,when a summoner dies,hs summon is returned back to it's home,as seen with the animal path,but the contract remains,just like the mizukage.

Edo tensei is not an animal summon,the caster dosent make contracts with dead bodies does he? So what's there to seal?. The only weakness is the fact that if anyone edo knew the handseals,they could seperate themselves from the summoner.

And the summoning of edo tensei just summons the coffins and the individuals where he wants them,it has nothing to do with contracts,the people are dead,there is no contract between them and the caster,so there is nothing to be sealed.

The mechanics of edo are nothing like normal summons,in a normal summon,you make a blood contract which can be removed by contract seals, in edo,there is no contract at all,a ritual in which the dna of a person is used to bring him back to life at the expense of another life,then the one brought back can be summoned anywhere the user wishes. You really think a jutsu as powerful as edo tensei will be removed by a contract seal?,cannon shows that it has been used on animal summns only.cannon shows that edo has one weakness,it is cannon that a contract seal hasnt been mentioned even a little as having any effect on edo.

Kabuto learned edo from orochimaru,oro had hashirama and tobirama,what maked you think he didnt have madara?

Kabuto couldnt have gathered the dna all the 7 ninjas of the mist,hanzo,the 2nd mizukage,the fourth kazekage,the third raikage,muu,yoroi,chiyo,dan etc by himself, and certainly not madara,he just enhanced him with the cells of hashi that oro had. He most likely gathered nagato,itachi,deidara,kakuzu,sasori by himself.

Oro most likely had those edos himself,and probably would have used it if hiruzen didnt seal his arms.

If minato somehow gets a contract seal on him,what's to stop him from placing a tetragram seal on minato? As he needs to touch him to do that,minato was known for harashin,not his foot speed,he wasnt really that fast when he fought tobi without harashin and was almosy sucked in. Not to mention oral rebirth if by some unlikely event he us tagged,a new body will just come out,and then he would have figured out his tech by then.

I see oro beating minato,he has no way of hurting oro.

 

[Baloo01]

The answer is that can orochimaru dare face a sharingan?

 

[OnPoint]

madara still has his contract with the kyubi,when a summoner dies,hs summon is returned back to it's home,as seen with the animal path,but the contract remains,just like the mizukage.

So Ma and Pa should've poofed the moment Jiraiya died then, no? His heart stopped and he died yet he managed to will himself back to life. But during this period, his summons remained.

Edo tensei is not an animal summon,the caster dosent make contracts with dead bodies does he? So what's there to seal?. The only weakness is the fact that if anyone edo knew the handseals,they could seperate themselves from the summoner.

Edo Tensei is a Kuchiyose, it doesn't matter what is being summoned. Kabuto summons the ninja, much like Jiraiya summons Gamabunta. They work exacty the same way though Edo Tensei uses a different preparation method. Once the summons are brought into play, both Kuchiyose's work exactly the same. The only difference is the Kabuto or Orochimaru are sometimes forced to use the seals in order to suppress the shinobi's personalities if the situation arises that them acting autonomously means that they pose a threat to the person who summoned them - in this case, Orochimaru and Kabuto because they are bad characters.

And the summoning of edo tensei just summons the coffins and the individuals where he wants them,it has nothing to do with contracts,the people are dead,there is no contract between them and the caster,so there is nothing to be sealed.

When Edo Tensei is used, a seal is

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when the blood in smeared on the scroll and the sacrificed is used. It's silly to suggest there is no contract between the two parties since Kabuto can willingly withdraw any summon from play by putting them back into their caskets.

The mechanics of edo are nothing like normal summons,in a normal summon,you make a blood contract which can be removed by contract seals, in edo,there is no contract at all,a ritual in which the dna of a person is used to bring him back to life at the expense of another life,then the one brought back can be summoned anywhere the user wishes. You really think a jutsu as powerful as edo tensei will be removed by a contract seal?,cannon shows that it has been used on animal summns only.cannon shows that edo has one weakness,it is cannon that a contract seal hasnt been mentioned even a little as having any effect on edo.

This is based on a misconception you possess which has been clarified in the post above. It's canon that we have not seen a person get the chance to use the contract seal on an Edo Tensei summoner; can the Totsuka Blade not pierce Naruto because we have not seen it? Was there anyone alive who possess a threat to Kabuto in the sense that the possessed this type of fuinjutsu (with roots back to the Uzumaki clan)? No. The Contract Seal removes the summoner's ability to control its summon; there's no room for confusion. Anything which Orochimaru does in order to maintain his control over the Hokages will be overridden.

Kabuto learned edo from orochimaru,oro had hashirama and tobirama,what maked you think he didnt have madara?

What makes you think Minato did not have Sage Mode? Do we discuss things which are lacking feats? Honestly.

Kabuto couldnt have gathered the dna all the 7 ninjas of the mist,hanzo,the 2nd mizukage,the fourth kazekage,the third raikage,muu,yoroi,chiyo,dan etc by himself, and certainly not madara,he just enhanced him with the cells of hashi that oro had. He most likely gathered nagato,itachi,deidara,kakuzu,sasori by himself.

Oro most likely had those edos himself,and probably would have used it if hiruzen didnt seal his arms.

We do not deal in possiblities and chances, we deal in feats.

If minato somehow gets a contract seal on him,what's to stop him from placing a tetragram seal on minato? As he needs to touch him to do that,minato was known for harashin,not his foot speed,he wasnt really that fast when he fought tobi without harashin and was almosy sucked in. Not to mention oral rebirth if by some unlikely event he us tagged,a new body will just come out,and then he would have figured out his tech by then.

Never said Orochimaru had no chance of countering. He'd be far better placed at fighting Minato w/o Edo Tensei, because with it, it'd be suicide.

I see oro beating minato,he has no way of hurting oro.

Up to you really.

 

[Priyam Bhowmick]

Then put it in the vs. threads forum, not here.

Sorry about that. U c i was a bit confused at 1st as the title suggested a discussion nd debate though its more like a Versus thread. Well never mind...

 

[USSJ Future Trunks]

oro, knowing what he's up against will go full out right from the start with the eight branches technique and manda. minato will throw his kunais out while placing seals on the ground if needed. once hes close enough he rasengan's manda in the eye. orochimaru uses formation of ten thousand snakes. and an army of snakes covers the battleground. so minato summons gamabunta and uses food cart destroyer to beat the snake swarm.
still inside eight branches, orochimaru uses wind release:great breakthrough and repels the kunais back. then he spits out kusanagi and tries impaling gamabunta. minato blocks it with his speed and goes on the offensive. gama wrestles with the eight snake heads, and minato tries getting close. he successfuly cuts orochimaru in half...who just heals right back up with gathering of the snakes. minato tries again and orochimaru uses attack prevention to fuse with his eight branches while still attacking with many hidden shadow snake hands. minato is caught but teleports out of there back to where gamabunta is. orochimaru extends kusanagi again and takes gamabunta down. he calls up hashirama and tobirama as his last card in the deck. minato decides he has no choice against ET and makes one last series of seals, in order to use death god. this time orochimaru sees it coming and uses kage bunshin to defeat it.

If Itachi can slice off Orochimaru's hand with a mere kunai, the fastest ninja in the manga will have no problem removing Orochimaru's head with a kunai

how does minato fly (in order to hit oro in hydra mode)?

 

[Prime Rib]

orochimaru would lose mid diff

 

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Omg not this again, like seriously get it together! We dont know the full ability of neither one of them, but Orochimaru has more chances at beating Minato and this is w/o Edo.

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