Whos more powerful jj obito or drsm madara

[Holy God]

Does that honestly make sense to you in your mind?

There's no real point in responding to you at the current time. You have no justification for your thoughts and resort to insults and disliking on the forum.

No, I don't think so. We're talking about Edo Madara (Really, can he get Senjutsu???) taking down Obito at his JJ state within only a matter of minutes. Even if we're talking about a fair, one on one fight in accordance to this thread, nothing short of a Senjutsu enhanced perfect Susanoo could break through Obito's Gudoudama constructs seeing as Naruto's and Minato's biggest combined Rasengan with Senjutsu could only stalemate. And even then, Obito's at an advantage. He's a small, quickly moving target with constantly reusable gudoudama constructs while Madara is a massive target with his Susanoo which if damaged, will be very, very hard to reconstruct. JJ Obito has his Rinnegan, so if a Limbo appears, he sees it. Being the Juubi Jin, he also has the means to damage them, so they would be just as effective as clones in this case.

Naruto and Sasuke eventually had perfect sensing of him, which allowed them to tell of his location. Madara with superior sensing and sight to each individually should have no problem. Perfect Susano'o should also be faster than either of their attacks and even Sasuke was almost able to hit Kaguya who is vastly faster than Obito. He will have to resort to Truth-Seeking Spheres as you and I agree to, but do they not disappear as they get broken? As for Perfect Susano'o not regenerating, I think Madara's infinite chakra should take care of that as long as he isn't hit consecutively.

Madara's claim on him being able to stop Obito after acquiring what he deemed necessary to execute; is something he hypothesized as he lacked exposure which means the statement isn't accurate. What further testifies to this is the fact that Madara himself knew that even if he had acquired this power he would have trouble even just weakening Obito.​

That image only further implies that Madara thought he could beat Obito. Yes, it is a hypothesis, but coming from a man of his intelligence, it must mean he is close to if not above Obito.​

 

[The Necromancer]

There's no real point in responding to you at the current time. You have no justification for your thoughts and resort to insults and disliking on the forum.

1. I never insulted anyone. I typed aggressively at you. If you can't handle that, you shouldn't be on the internet.
2. Your facts are not based in fact. You have blindly refused to believe the facts of the manga in favor of your position, facts that are so blatant they shouldn't even need to be verified.
3. I really don't care if you believe me or not, because as I mentioned, the entire basis of your claim is rooted in speculation, or misinformation, and convincing one delusional member on a forum of their inaccuracies is a waste of my time, especially when the other 90% of the members in the thread have already agreed against your position. It's just not worth it.

Lastly, this isn't edo Madara. This is living Double Rinnegan Sage Mode Madara.

One strike by a Gudoudama and he's dead.

 

[Uchihakil]

I think it's a toss up, madara has the full power of both rinnegans, has more experience/knowledge, and has the necessary skills to take down obito, and madara should be waay faster than BSM naruto and EMS sasuke, I think he should be on DMS kakashi level of speed due to rikudou chakra buff + sage mode buff on top of his natural speed, I can state how he counters every juubito move + we all know DRSM madara's PS would be waaay stronger than naruto+sasuke's susano kyuubi avater, due to madara having rikudou chakra

 

[Holy God]

1. I never insulted anyone. I typed aggressively at you. If you can't handle that, you shouldn't be on the internet.

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2. Your facts are not based in fact. You have blindly refused to believe the facts of the manga in favor of your position, facts that are so blatant they shouldn't even need to be verified.

I never claimed my statements to be fact, but if you are implying that all that you have typed is, I'd be glad to prove you wrong.

3. I really don't care if you believe me or not, because as I mentioned, the entire basis of your claim is rooted in speculation, or misinformation, and convincing one delusional member on a forum of their inaccuracies is a waste of my time, especially when the other 90% of the members in the thread have already agreed against your position. It's just not worth it.

The foundation of my claim is Madara's statement and the pillar that builds it is his power to back it up.

 

[Guntah]

There's no real point in responding to you at the current time. You have no justification for your thoughts and resort to insults and disliking on the forum.



Naruto and Sasuke eventually had perfect sensing of him, which allowed them to tell of his location. Madara with superior sensing and sight to each individually should have no problem. Perfect Susano'o should also be faster than either of their attacks and even Sasuke was almost able to hit Kaguya who is vastly faster than Obito. He will have to resort to Truth-Seeking Spheres as you and I agree to, but do they not disappear as they get broken? As for Perfect Susano'o not regenerating, I think Madara's infinite chakra should take care of that as long as he isn't hit consecutively.



That image only further implies that Madara thought he could beat Obito. Yes, it is a hypothesis, but coming from a man of his intelligence, it must mean he is close to if not above Obito.

Yes, they were sensing him quite well. They were able to both aim their blows on him.

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That worked well. Also, Susanoo doesn't regenerate unless it evolves into its next level. Perfect Susanoo is the ultimate level, so nothing comes past it, thus it can't heal. Don't think the truth seeking balls thing with it being destroyed is true. I looked into the wiki, but I didn't find anything on that. Also, its worth noting that Obito's chakra arms are also an option, seeing as they ripped a barrier that resisted even a full on Juubidama to shreds.

 

[The Necromancer]

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I never claimed my statements to be fact, but if you are implying that all that you have typed is, I'd be glad to prove you wrong.



The foundation of my claim is Madara's statement and the pillar that builds it is his power to back it up.

Lol. Oh right. That neg had already slipped my mind.

The rest of this comment is just foolish. Continue living in your own world, it's no skin off my bones.

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Yes, they were sensing him quite well. They were able to both aim their blows on him.

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That worked well. Also, Susanoo doesn't regenerate unless it evolves into its next level. Perfect Susanoo is the ultimate level, so nothing comes past it, thus it can't heal. Don't think the truth seeking balls thing with it being destroyed is true. I looked into the wiki, but I didn't find anything on that. Also, its worth noting that Obito's chakra arms are also an option, seeing as they ripped a barrier that resisted even a full on Juubidama to shreds.

Gudoudamas are not destroyed, they are either deactivated (which has never happened to a Juubi jin) or they become too far away to control.

Naruto's returned after Sasuke's stalemated them with his Susano'o arrows.

 

[Waltz]

That image only further implies that Madara thought he could beat Obito. Yes, it is a hypothesis, but coming from a man of his intelligence, it must mean he is close to if not above Obito.

Therefore, assumption.​

 

[The Necromancer]

Therefore, assumption.​

Assumption based on invalidated claims akin to the other outrageous statements made and disproven by that very same character, while also being simultaneously discredited by manga feats his opponent has shown.

 

[Guntah]

That image only further implies that Madara thought he could beat Obito. Yes, it is a hypothesis, but coming from a man of his intelligence, it must mean he is close to if not above Obito.

I wanna add this to the discussion.

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Which lead to this.

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This should be a thing.

Tough life Madara.

 

[Holy God]

Yes, they were sensing him quite well. They were able to both aim their blows on him. That worked well.

Alright, so we agree that he isn't fast enough to not be able to hit?

Also, Susanoo doesn't regenerate unless it evolves into its next level. Perfect Susanoo is the ultimate level, so nothing comes past it, thus it can't heal.

I tried to go through whatever Susano'o usage I remember, but I found a clear example of Sasuke's Susano'o regenerating after receiving enough chakra from Zetsu without evolving to another form.

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Don't think the truth seeking balls thing with it being destroyed is true. I looked into the wiki, but I didn't find anything on that.

When Kamui was used on Madara's spherical shield, he lost Truth-Seeking Spheres even though they weren't individually there. Obito also lost one after a breaking of it shield here:

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Also, its worth noting that Obito's chakra arms are also an option, seeing as they ripped a barrier that resisted even a full on Juubidama to shreds.

I suppose they'd be able to fend off Susano'o. The outcome would probably mainly depend on this right here if it gets to it.

 

[Waltz]

Assumption based on invalidated claims akin to the other outrageous statements made and disproven by that very same character, while also being simultaneously discredited by manga feats his opponent has shown.

To begin with there was the lack of exposure. Madara at that time had never witnessed the power of a Juubi's Jinchuriki or the powers that are subsequent of that in any of his states of existence to be fully accurate that what he deemed necessary to triumph Obito would have worked. There was always an uncertainty to it so him being stronger than or as strong as was never a fact even for him as if so, he would never have alluded to weakening Obito as being a "troubling" task. Actually, "Holy God" was very entirely wrong when he even suggested that Madara may have been stronger in that state as he was never confident he could defeat Obito as Jin; motive was weakening him in conjunction with Black Zetsu as an Edo Tensei. ​

 

[Holy God]

Lol. Oh right. That neg had already slipped my mind.

The rest of this comment is just foolish. Continue living in your own world, it's no skin off my bones.

I guess that means you admit that not everything you said was factual. It's "no skin off my bones" either with that implication.

Therefore, assumption.​

Correct, as I already confirmed.

I wanna add this to the discussion.

Madara wasn't at full power nor did he state he could definitely beat them. Even if he did, he still is around their power, considering he never used all of his. When he got his second eye however, he said he had no doubt about winning.

 

[The Necromancer]

I guess that means you admit that not everything you said was factual. It's "no skin off my bones" either with that implication.

Not even close. Not sure where you got that from. Every word I said has been a manga fact throughout this entire thread, whereas multiple times you have made statements that were just plain false.

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And we get it, you have the intelligence enough to copy exactly what I said to you and repeat it back to me. You can think of your own phrases now.

 

[Holy God]

Not even close. Not sure where you got that from. Every word I said has been a manga fact throughout this entire thread, whereas multiple times you have made statements that were just plain false.

Sure buddy.

Obito has Full Body Kamui. Offensively and Defensively.
Obito has more canon Rinnegan paths available than Madara does.
Obito's durability is through the roof.

 

[HENI]

Madara's stronger. Rinnegan is stronger than the Juubi.

 

[The Necromancer]

Sure buddy.

-Madara has already shown that Kamui can be used as a Juubi Jin, and you are going off of the incorrect translation. The true translation is that Obito can't let objects slip through him as a Juubi Jin. He can use full bodied Kamui all day and all night.

-Madara has Deva Path and Preta Path. That's it that we've seen if I recall correctly. Meanwhile Obito has Human Path, Outer Path, and Deva Path, and has asserted that he can use them all (and we both know you love baseless assertions about one's own abilities).

-Obito survived being literally bisected by Sasuke and Naruto, survived a Senjutsu Rasengan to the back with ease, tanked a dozen (a hundred?) explosions, wasn't even phased by multiple Senjutsu Torri gates being dropped on him, wiped away a point blank amaerasu, etc.

 

[Guntah]

Alright, so we agree that he isn't fast enough to not be able to hit?

He is damn fast, that's what I'm saying. Naruto was able to pinpoint and try to hit him at the same time as Sasuke, but his reaction time still guaranteed a block.

I tried to go through whatever Susano'o usage I remember, but I found a clear example of Sasuke's Susano'o regenerating after receiving enough chakra from Zetsu without evolving to another form.

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Eh...that is a ribcage though. Its not even a proper Susanoo body. Comparin it regenerating is pretty meaningless considering how easy one can form it from get go, especially when compared to the Perfect Susanoo.

When Kamui was used on Madara's spherical shield, he lost Truth-Seeking Spheres even though they weren't individually there. Obito also lost one after a breaking of it shield here:

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Alright. You're right. He had eight, ended up with seven. Those can be destroyed.

I suppose they'd be able to fend off Susano'o. The outcome would probably mainly depend on this right here if it gets to it.

It sure is a shame he couldn't use Kamui at the time. I can only imagine how badass it'd be, seeing Obito teleport in the middle of a massive Susanoo and rip it to shreds from the inside....

Madara wasn't at full power nor did he state he could definitely beat them. Even if he did, he still is around their power, considering he never used all of his. When he got his second eye however, he said he had no doubt about winning.

Arguable. That seemed to be a boost from Madara there. But I digress.

He had no doubt about winning yet Naruto and Sasuke ended up beating a far superior opponent to Madara in battle just a while later. Doesn't that say something about his arrogant nature?

 

[Holy God]

-Madara has already shown that Kamui can be used as a Juubi Jin, and you are going off of the incorrect translation. The true translation is that Obito can't let objects slip through him as a Juubi Jin. He can use full bodied Kamui all day and all night.

No, I already knew that. What you don't understand is that it really can't be used offensively. The only way is increasing his Fire Style which won't help here, and he can't use it defensively at all.

-Madara has Deva Path and Preta Path. That's it that we've seen if I recall correctly. Meanwhile Obito has Human Path, Outer Path, and Deva Path, and has asserted that he can use them all (and we both know you love baseless assertions about one's own abilities).

When has Obito ever used Almighty Push, Almighty Pull, or Planetary Devastation? Madara though also has shown access to the Outer Path.

-Obito survived being literally bisected by Sasuke and Naruto, survived a Senjutsu Rasengan to the back with ease, tanked a dozen (a hundred?) explosions, wasn't even phased by multiple Senjutsu Torri gates being dropped on him, wiped away a point blank amaerasu, etc.

Explosions are due to Truth-Seeking Spheres, and obviously the gates aren't going to cause harm, as it didn't to Madara either. Amaterasu also isn't an impressive thing to survive. The only ones that would matter are the first two but surviving is due to his regeneration. Durability implies being penetrated, which Obito was in both quite fine. The Third Raikage has the most impressive durability.

 

[The Necromancer]

No, I already knew that. What you don't understand is that it really can't be used offensively. The only way is increasing his Fire Style which won't help here, and he can't use it defensively at all.


When has Obito ever used Almighty Push, Almighty Pull, or Planetary Devastation? Madara though also has shown access to the Outer Path.



Explosions are due to Truth-Seeking Spheres, and obviously the gates aren't going to cause harm, as it didn't to Madara either. Amaterasu also isn't an impressive thing to survive. The only ones that would matter are the first two but surviving is due to his regeneration. Durability implies being penetrated, which Obito was in both quite fine. The Third Raikage has the most impressive durability.

Warping away from attacks and sending Madara to another dimension isn't considered Defensive and Offensive use? You have some crazy standards.

Because I don't think you actually know what I'm talking about, here is the true translation.

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That's all I can fathom answering. You have misinterpreted every word I've typed once again, and it's too late at night for me to correct every sentence of every response.

Maybe I'll respond tomorrow if I care enough.

 

[Deadlift]

Well, Alive Madara showed himself physically stronger than all the Bijuus combined, but Juubito has the edge