Who's fault is it?

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All the war, conflict, anguish, and all could have been avoided. Minato and Hiruzen would still be alive, Sasuke would be in the leaf, Itachi would be alive and well with his Clan.


if either

A) Tobirama didnt obey

B) Hashirama didnt command him

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[Yanks]

It's Hashirama's fault for not making sure madara was dead in that last battle

 

[Gdamon]

i blame the Sage for giving humans chakra...

 

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It's Hashirama's fault for not making sure madara was dead in that last battle

But this is waaaay before that, Hashirama had a crippled Madara in front of him and let him live. The VoTE fight Madara probably used genjutsu

i blame the Sage for giving humans chakra...

Without chakra, there would still be violence. There are stills swords, kunai, shuriken, and ninjas.

 

[- J AV -]

I blame Kaguya for stealing fruit .

 

[ANiMUS]

Danzo would still exist though. Even if it wasn't Madara, the cycle of hatred would continue.

 

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Danzo would still exist though. Even if it wasn't Madara, the cycle of hatred would continue.

Sure, but he is nowhere near as powerful as the Juubi jin, is he now?

 

[Denzel Washington]

Hashirama's.

 

[Fair Warning]

Hashirama's.

I agree, he should have shown some Elder brother knowledge, and at least take into consideration the effects of his actions.

like how Minato deduced that it would take the nine tails to defeat tobi, so he sealed it in his son hoping that he would control Kurama and gain the power.

and boom, it all happened

 

[-Punk-]

It will always be Hashimaras fault .

 

[Bindu45]

i blame danzo for all of this. he is the reason nagato created the akastuki, itachi killed his entire clan, why kabuto turned out the way he did, and basically anything bad that has ever happened in naruto. had he been killed by the 3rd for betrayal or while everyone was with the second everything would have been so much better. i HATE danzo and am glad that sausage killed that worthless piece of sh*t

 

[ANiMUS]

Sure, but he is nowhere near as powerful as the Juubi jin, is he now?

TBH, as long as they get out of this things won't be so bad. Danzo's activities would have inspired war after war, but the current war has given the nations a common enemy and bonded the nations. Though the situation is much more dire, peace is much more likely to be obtained now, which means a low death count for the future.

 

[Fair Warning]

i blame danzo for all of this. he is the reason nagato created the akastuki, itachi killed his entire clan, why kabuto turned out the way he did, and basically anything bad that has ever happened in naruto. had he been killed by the 3rd for betrayal or while everyone was with the second everything would have been so much better. i HATE danzo and am glad that sausage killed that worthless piece of sh*t

Wow, honestly i haven't read much into his character. I think he was at least doing what he thought best for the village, right? He kind of reconciled with Hiruzen before his death in that he gave his life for his village.

It will always be Hashimaras fault .

To a certain degree, yes

TBH, as long as they get out of this things won't be so bad. Danzo's activities would have inspired war after war, but the current war has given the nations a common enemy and bonded the nations. Though the situation is much more dire, peace is much more likely to be obtained now, which means a low death count for the future.

Thats actually a really good way of looking at it, nice job. Although their would have been a savior of the world despite what war was going on. Remember it could have been Nagato or Minato. They could have ended those wars.

 

[Da Best Ever]

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All the war, conflict, anguish, and all could have been avoided. Minato and Hiruzen would still be alive, Sasuke would be in the leaf, Itachi would be alive and well with his Clan.


if either

A) Tobirama didnt obey

B) Hashirama didnt command him

no spam and trolling, keep it civilized

the human race is at fault, is a product of society, war was going on before he was born and after, he isnt evil, he truly wants peace but by any means...had naruto just let him use infinite tsukoayami none of these shinobi would be dead...



it is tobirama's fault for madara's current goals, because tobirama purposely walked in hashirama's room and talked about madara knowing madara was listening outside of the window and had the never to say he wasnt kneading chakra when hashi asked him did he sense someone outside of the window, all which lead to madara's belief that he doesnt belong in his co-dream that he and hashirama built which lead to his defection of konoha, and tobirama is the reason the uchiha are dead because he feared them, he feared what they could become and he feared that a new madara would rise up from the group so he created the police force and appointed them in control so he could keep an eye on them and he forced them to live on the outside of the village further pushing them away not only that but he knew everyone hates the police so basically everyone hated the uchiha because they were the police...



but the human race is the main problem, people hate each other because they dnt understand each other...people hate what they dnt understand

 

[Da Best Ever]

Wow, honestly i haven't read much into his character. I think he was at least doing what he thought best for the village, right? He kind of reconciled with Hiruzen before his death in that he gave his life for his village.


To a certain degree, yes

he didnt reconcile with hiruzen before he died, all danzo did was admire hiruzen, he said u were the light and i am the dark, he said i still cant catch u, and then he said hiruzen skill performing any jutsu is unsurpassed...thats admiration/envy

 

[Fair Warning]

the human race is at fault, is a product of society, war was going on before he was born and after, he isnt evil, he truly wants peace but by any means...had naruto just let him use infinite tsukoayami none of these shinobi would be dead..
it is tobirama's fault for madara's current goals, because tobirama purposely walked in hashirama's room and talked about madara knowing madara was listening outside of the window and had the never to say he wasnt kneading chakra when hashi asked him did he sense someone outside of the window, all which lead to madara's belief that he doesnt belong in his co-dream that he and hashirama built which lead to his defection of konoha, and tobirama is the reason the uchiha are dead because he feared them, he feared what they could become and he feared that a new madara would rise up from the group so he created the police force and appointed them in control so he could keep an eye on them and he forced them to live on the outside of the village further pushing them away not only that but he knew everyone hates the police so basically everyone hated the uchiha because they were the police...
but the human race is the main problem, people hate each other because they dnt understand each other...people hate what they dnt understand

Tobirama did all that? Man i lost some respect for him.

It seems like each Hokage had a different way of going about finding peace, so far none have worked. The human race is not the problem, more-so it is the need for power and pride.

 

[Da Best Ever]

i blame danzo for all of this. he is the reason nagato created the akastuki, itachi killed his entire clan, why kabuto turned out the way he did, and basically anything bad that has ever happened in naruto. had he been killed by the 3rd for betrayal or while everyone was with the second everything would have been so much better. i HATE danzo and am glad that sausage killed that worthless piece of sh*t

first off u start off wrong...nagato didnt create the akatsuki yahiko created the akatsuki, and obito is the one to talk him into doing so...u have minimum knowledge of the manga and from the first sentence u type i can tell u can barely interpret what u read...



also tobirama is who started the uchiha downfall by putting them on the outside of the village by making them the police force knowing people hate the police which basically means people hated the uchiha, all that caused them to have anger, danzo got intachi killed but itachi already admited to himself that was the only way...danzo just pushed the issue, which makes him have a minor role in that incident as well as hiruzen for not standing up and preventing danzo from talking ass much as he did...bur tobirama is the cause of it...but danzo is a sneaky ass *****

 

[Da Best Ever]

Tobirama did all that? Man i lost some respect for him.

It seems like each Hokage had a different way of going about finding peace, so far none have worked. The human race is not the problem, more-so it is the need for power and pride.

the human race are the ones who have the need for power and pride...even in real life people are the same way, they hate each other because they dnt understand each other, thats the same way in naruto...gaara gave a similar speech to the SA before the war started...madara truly wants peace and his dream is one that would certainly prevent hate, but the way NV has gone about peace by talking and not doing hasnt changed nothing...the sage talked about peace, yet wars still existed...hashirama wanted peace yet wars still existed, hiruzen was probably the most peaceful kage ever but still wars existed, even now naruto talks about caring and etc. all the time but to no avail...


yes tobirama did all that...which is why orochimaru threw it in his face when he brought back the edo hokage's

 

[itachi uchiha fiance]

hashirama since he didn't kill madara

 

[Kurome]

Hashirama's fault is eternal. The God of Shinobi indirectly destroyed the world by letting Madara alive ._.