Who's chakra is stronger, Sasuke or Narutos

[LeSauce]

Sinister does not mean that his chakra is more powerful. I'm honestly baffled in how you could even use that as a point. Makes me wonder if you understand the definition of Sinister: giving the impression that something harmful or evil is happening or will happen.

The Uchiha's chakra, or in this case Sasuke's, was more evil than that of Kurama.

Understatement of the year as-well. I'm going to ask the same question, but this time you cannot avoid it. Kurama's chakra created a simple Rasengan, and stalemated that of an Chidori-Enton alone. Now you are going to tell me that Kurama's chakra is less potent of that than Sasuke? You have to be kidding me.

Maybe the sinister part has nothing to do with the power of chakra.

That doesn't determine whether the chakra is stronger or not. If we were to go by that Naruto would have chakra just as strong as Sasuke's.

 

[V h o]

Sinister does not mean that his chakra is more powerful. I'm honestly baffled in how you could even use that as a point. Makes me wonder if you understand the definition of Sinister: giving the impression that something harmful or evil is happening or will happen.

The Uchiha's chakra, or in this case Sasuke's, was more evil than that of Kurama.

Understatement of the year as-well. I'm going to ask the same question, but this time you cannot avoid it. Kurama's chakra created a simple Rasengan, and stalemated that of an Chidori-Enton alone. Now you are going to tell me that Kurama's chakra is less potent of that than Sasuke? You have to be kidding me.

Wanted to add to this, when the user use preta path believe the chakra is converted to the user's chakra. It doesn't keep the properties of whoever they absorbed it from. Believe Madara absorbed Naruto's cloaks on the fodder alliance but he didn't have a cloak himself.

 

[Nikes]

Kuramas power is a result of having a lot of chakra. Kurama is powerful but saying that it's because of his strong chakra is wrong. Kurama has such a vast amount of chakra it makes him powerful on its own.


How is it idiotic when Sasuke was Indras reincarnation the one who inherited the sages powerful chakra. He compared it to Madara, so Sasukes chakra was already as potent as MAdaras. Sinister chakra can have the same meaning as powerful because it's so compelling you can litterally feel it.

When Sasuke gained MS his chakra would obviously spike in power because he gains the ability to use Susanoo which is a result of powerful chakra. Karin noticed that Sasukes chakra grew colder but it also grew more powerful as we saw when he formed new variations of Susanoo.

For the record are you agreeing with dude that said Kuramas chakra isn't as strong as Sasukes?

 

[To Whatever]

Sasuke enton chidori stalemating naruto's and kurama's kyubbi chakra rasengan is a feat for sasuke. Sasuke took the kyubbi chakra which was gathered in connection with naruto's chakra type. This is similar to what naruto did in the war when he assimilated the kyubbi's chakra for SA chakra type.

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Kurama pointing this out means that its highly important and fits with Itachi's every move has a weakness philosophy. Because sasuke took kurama's chakra which was fit for naruto, its more than likely the chakra was weaker in sasuke's hand. If it had been sasuke chakra then the enton chidori would have more than likely been more devastating. But if i was to put my whole spin on why sasuke used enton to power up his chidori was because the chidori he made was weaker than any chidori he made to date thanks to kurama fitting his chakra to naruto not sasuke.

He probably used enton to counter FRS just in case Naruto had enough.

 

[LeSauce]

Kurama? A tailed beast? You say Kuramas chakra isn't as strong as Sasukes? I hope you know that just sounds foul

A tailed beast is only strong to low level ninja.

Raikage, Kisame, Hashirama, and others have more or the same amount of chakra as them.

They're not as strong as you think they are, especially not against MS users and above.

 

[Nikes]

A tailed beast is only strong to low level ninja.

Raikage, Kisame, Hashirama, and others have more or the same amount of chakra as them.

They're not as strong as you think they are, especially not against MS users and above.

Raikage, Kisame and Hashirama, Nagato are on different levels of strength compared to literally everyone else. So it doesn't/shouldn't take away from the strength of HIGHER tailed beasts. (9 and 8)

 

[SenseiSama]

Sasuke always had the stronger chakra

 

[LuckyMan]

Jut to let you all know Sasukes chakra being more sinister does not mean its more powerful than Kurama or Madaras. Sinister is just the feel of his chakra, very dark and evil and sinsiter also has no correlation with the word power, for those who didn't know. Karin called Narutos chakra warm and bright. Hashiramas chakra would feel the exact same way but that doesn't mean Narutos chakra is stronger than his because we know its not, at least the Naruto at that point when she made that statement. Karin then noted Naruto had an evil (Kurama) chakra deep within him and said it felt exactly like Sasukes. It is just the feel of their power, not the actual power.

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[Dantee]

You are probably right, and that is a nice find. I completely forgot that Sasuke also used Kurama's chakra to make the chidori and to use Enton. I wonder...


Sasuke only inherited half of the Sage's chakra when he met him. I don't believe the comparison to Sasuke and Madara was near the level of potency you are talking about. If I remember correctly they were referring that Sasuke will 'one day' surpass Madara. Sinister chakra had nothing to compare in terms of power, but how evil it was. Look how Kurama makes a comparison to

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Let's not get into the fact that the Seal on Naruto was purposely place to leak only certain amounts of TB's chakra, and Naruto himself was facing the affects of losing life force by continuing to lose control.

Sasuke didn't have to meet the sage to gain powerful chakra. He was already born with the potential to surpass Madara. Eyes being powerful and the sinister chakra remark are all linked together in that 1 sentence. Remember tobirama said uchiha have special chakra that sprout from their brains into their eyes. It's the same thing. Chakra = eyes = sharigan.

That has nothing to do with Kurama's chakra seeing how BM Naruto destroys any version of EMS Sasuke before PS.

Okay if you really think that. But can Kurama even fight on par with MS Sasuke on his own using ur logic of course.

 

[LeSauce]

Jut to let you all know Sasukes chakra being more sinister does not mean its more powerful than Kurama or Madaras. Sinister is just the feel of his chakra, very dark and evil and sinsiter also has no correlation with the word power, for those who didn't know. Karin called Narutos chakra warm and bright. Hashiramas chakra would feel the exact same way but that doesn't mean Narutos chakra is stronger than his because we know its not, at least the Naruto at that point when she made that statement. Karin then noted Naruto had an evil (Kurama) chakra deep within him and said it felt exactly like Sasukes. It is just the feel of their power, not the actual power.

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I don't know, it might actually have something to do with their hatred/how ominous their chakra is.

Raikage, Kisame and Hashirama, Nagato are on different levels of strength compared to literally everyone else. So it doesn't/shouldn't take away from the strength of HIGHER tailed beasts. (9 and 8)

Ok. So you agree it's possible, and not ridiculous, to compare a human with a tailed beast?

 

[LuckyMan]

Sasuke didn't have to meet the sage to gain powerful chakra. He was already born with the potential to surpass Madara. Eyes being powerful and the sinister chakra remark are all linked together in that 1 sentence. Remember tobirama said uchiha have special chakra that sprout from their brains into their eyes. It's the same thing. Chakra = eyes = sharigan.

Neither did Naruto. Tobirama already stated Naruto would surpass Hashirama before Ridoku powers were even introduced.

 

[lndra]

Sasuke didn't have to meet the sage to gain powerful chakra. He was already born with the potential to surpass Madara. Eyes being powerful and the sinister chakra remark are all linked together in that 1 sentence. Remember tobirama said uchiha have special chakra that sprout from their brains into their eyes. It's the same thing. Chakra = eyes = sharigan.

You do realize that Sasuke only truly surpassed 3T/EMS Madara when he received the Sage's power-up, right? Both Naruto/Sasuke before their respected power ups cannot even be compared to Hashirama/Madara. Not going to comment on your other sentence about Sasuke being born to surpass Madara when he was only mentioned in late Part 1 VoTE. Lastly, no. "Eyes with such power / Chakra even more sinister than my own" There was an and between them both, there was no comparison between chakra and power.

Bold: I don't understand why this was brought up. The special chakra activates the Sharingan.

Okay if you really think that. But can Kurama even fight on par with MS Sasuke on his own using ur logic of course.

Lol Dantee what. Sasuke has no feats at MS level of having the prowess to control Kurama with eye contact alone. Kurama would destroy MS Sasuke.

 

[Dantee]

Neither did Naruto. Tobirama already stated Naruto would surpass Hashirama before Ridoku powers were even introduced.

He never said anything like what Oro said abot Sasuke. Oro actually conducted research on the matter. tobirama only made an inference because Naruto was just like Hashirama. Hardly relative but still incredibly accurate.

 

[LuckyMan]

He never said anything like what Oro said abot Sasuke. Oro actually conducted research on the matter. tobirama only made an inference because Naruto was just like Hashirama. Hardly relative but still incredibly accurate.

No research was even needed for Oro to come to that conclusion. Sasuke got EMS at 17. Madara got EMS at 27 so Sasuke would naturally have more experience and eventually become better than Madara. What? Tobirama isn't an idiot he wouldn't say Naruto will surpass Hashirama simply because Naruto acts like him :| That makes no sense at all. By that logic Tobirama would say Kohonamaru will surpass Hashirama too because hes like Hashirama. Tobirama made that statement in reference to Narutos abilities while fighting alongside him.

 

[Dantee]

You do realize that Sasuke only truly surpassed 3T/EMS Madara when he received the Sage's power-up, right? Both Naruto/Sasuke before their respected power ups cannot even be compared to Hashirama/Madara. Not going to comment on your other sentence about Sasuke being born to surpass Madara when he was only mentioned in late Part 1 VoTE. Lastly, no. "Eyes with such power / Chakra even more sinister than my own" There was an and between them both, there was no comparison between chakra and power.

Bold: I don't understand why this was brought up. The special chakra activates the Sharingan.



Lol Dantee what. Sasuke has no feats at MS level of having the prowess to control Kurama with eye contact alone. Kurama would destroy MS Sasuke.

Bro I'm only restating what the manga has already said. Oro always knew Sasuke would surpass Madara. Oro only had Sasuke under his wing while he was in Hebi form. Kurama compares Madara and Sasuke right then and there in Hebi form. Sasuke might not have surpassed Madara because he was still young and had to grow but it would've eventually happened it what I'm trying to get across.

3tomoe Sasuke was already able to suppress the Kyuubis power from Naruto. That in itself is a feat. I can say at 3tomoe Sasuke could have easily controlled the Kyuubi under his genjutsu if he was outside of Naruto as well.

No research was even needed for Oro to come to that conclusion. Sasuke got EMS at 17. Madara got EMS at 27 so Sasuke would naturally have more experience and eventually become better than Madara. What? Tobirama isn't an idiot he wouldn't say Naruto will surpass Hashirama simply because Naruto acts like him :| That makes no sense at all. By that logic Tobirama would say Kohonamaru will surpass Hashirama too because hes like Hashirama. Tobirama made that statement in reference to Narutos abilities while fighting alongside him.

Go back and reread.

 

[SatanicGod]

Er, have you seen Enton variants of Sasuke's abilities before? I.E - Enton Susano'o arrow?

Yes I have, but the Enton never even touched Naruto and it hadn't been shown to enhance the chidori in any way, shape, or form. It seems like the Enton was more for in case Naruto doesn't fight back and gets pierced, so this tune he would be able to simply regenerate like when he got pierced in VOTE 1, due to the fact that should Naruto be pierced then THAT'S when the Enton kicks in, and sets Naruto on fire with the flames of Amaterasu

 

[lndra]

Bro I'm only restating what the manga has already said. Oro always knew Sasuke would surpass Madara. Oro only had Sasuke under his wing while he was in Hebi form. Kurama compares Madara and Sasuke right then and there in Hebi form. Sasuke might not have surpassed Madara because he was still young and had to grow but it would've eventually happened it what I'm trying to get across.

Yes, but you said since birth. That would not entirely be the case, right? I'm sure Orochimaru toyed with the idea when Sasuke went to him. That comparison is only from Kurama's perspective, even Obito has shown the ability to control Kurama, so I doubt the comparisons between strong Uchiha's matter when the Tailed Beasts fall prey to advanced Dojutsu users.

3tomoe Sasuke was already able to suppress the Kyuubis power from Naruto. That in itself is a feat. I can say at 3tomoe Sasuke could have easily controlled the Kyuubi under his genjutsu if he was outside of Naruto as well.

The problem with that is Sasuke is a weak Genjutsu user. In fact it is not his specialty at all if we compare him to Genjutsu users of Itachi's level, he became slowly better at it with MS, and the Rinnegan. The problem with me believing that Sasuke could have "easily" controlled Kurama, is that Sasuke suppressed Kurama's chakra. Mind us that it was Kurama's chakra, not Kurama himself. I also doubt that was all of Kurama's chakra either that boiled from the ground. Seeing how the seal placed on Naruto limited the Kyuubi's control over him thanks to Jiraiya.

 

[LuckyMan]

Go back and reread.

Nah, I want you to explain why would Tobirama say someone would surpass his brother all because they are "like him". You need more than a greater will of fire to surpass Hashirama. You need more than to be a kind person like Hashirama, ideals like Hashirama, compassion, etc. Its should be clear why Tobirama made that statement like come on bro..... Naruto was 17 and facing God level opponents. Tobirama knew he would be stronger than Hashirama just like Sasuke got EMS at 17 and Orochimaru knew he'd surpass Madara.

 

[Dantee]

Yes, but you said since birth. That would not entirely be the case, right? I'm sure Orochimaru toyed with the idea when Sasuke went to him. That comparison is only from Kurama's perspective, even Obito has shown the ability to control Kurama, so I doubt the comparisons between strong Uchiha's matter when the Tailed Beasts fall prey to advanced Dojutsu users.


The problem with that is Sasuke is a weak Genjutsu user. In fact it is not his specialty at all if we compare him to Genjutsu users of Itachi's level, he became slowly better at it with MS, and the Rinnegan. The problem with me believing that Sasuke could have "easily" controlled Kurama, is that Sasuke suppressed Kurama's chakra. Mind us that it was Kurama's chakra, not Kurama himself. I also doubt that was all of Kurama's chakra either that boiled from the ground. Seeing how the seal placed on Naruto limited the Kyuubi's control over him thanks to Jiraiya.

No stop trying to change facts. Oro knew all along. He based it on research he conducted throughout his entire life those are his exact words. Did you forget he was only just reborn back in the war arc? the rest of your post is invalid because it wasn't just Kurama who compared Madara and Sasuke. Hell Madara compared himself to Sasuke as well. Obito has uchiha + senju cells so ofc he's more than capable of controlling a bijuu..but still wishes Sasuke was born 1st.


Sasuke isn't a weak gen user. Lets get that out the way. He might no be as prodigious as Itachi but it doesn't mean he wasn't any good. I do agree with you he didn't suppress everything Kurama had because it was a small leak, but it was enough for Kurama to compare him to Madara. So that's a feat in my book and Sasuke already had the potential hype it doesn't take much to add the two together.

Nah, I want you to explain why would Tobirama say someone would surpass his brother all because they are "like him". You need more than a greater will of fire to surpass Hashirama. You need more than to be a kind person like Hashirama, ideals like Hashirama, compassion, etc. Its should be clear why Tobirama made that statement like come on bro..... Naruto was 17 and facing God level opponents. Tobirama knew he would be stronger than Hashirama just like Sasuke got EMS at 17 and Orochimaru knew he'd surpass Madara.

I don't need to explain anything. One page.

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[lndra]

No stop trying to change facts. Oro knew all along. He based it on research he conducted throughout his entire life those are his exact words. Did you forget he was only just reborn back in the war arc? the rest of your post is invalid because it wasn't just Kurama who compared Madara and Sasuke. Hell Madara compared himself to Sasuke as well. Obito has uchiha + senju cells so ofc he's more than capable of controlling a bijuu..but still wishes Sasuke was born 1st.

Orochimaru wanted Itachi more than Sasuke, hell he did not even know Sasuke yet until the Chunin Exams or probably the massacre. The only real time Sasuke was compared to Madara or surpassing him outside of Kurama in Part 2, was the War Arc when he had EMS. Anything else on the subject will just have to be backed up by Manga scans so we can stop arguing about it.

Sasuke isn't a weak gen user. Lets get that out the way. He might no be as prodigious as Itachi but it doesn't mean he wasn't any good. I do agree with you he didn't suppress everything Kurama had because it was a small leak, but it was enough for Kurama to compare him to Madara. So that's a feat in my book and Sasuke already had the potential hype it doesn't take much to add the two together.

That's what I mean though. He is not above average, he is average. I'll go by feats of Genjutsu being able to control a Bijuu through the one's that can do it thus far. I mean Obito even placed a PJ under his control.

Both Madara, and Obito are prodigious in the skill. Itachi would have been better I would assume thanks to Tsukuyomi.