Who would've won if Naruto and Sasuke fought at this level?

SIR UZMAKIMADARA · Oct 16, 2015

Naruto X Hunter said:
Explain.

SM Naruto was able to enter into SM within 1 minute.He was still in base mode when he climbed up the half of God Tree.When he reached at top he instantly entered into SM.

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SM Naruto can easily lift things as big as kurama who is as big as sasuke's PS which is 200 times bigger than his MS Susanoo.

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SM Naruto's FRS was able to cover 90% kurama, who is as big as Sasuke's Rikodou enhanced PS so there is no way,MS sasuke's susanoo can tank this FRS.

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SM Naruto can make Odama FRS which is much bigger than his Normal SM FRS.It can destroy 2 wood dragons simultaneously.Don't Forget 1 Wood Dragon could be able to cover whole full kurama.So again there is no way sasuke can tank this huge shit.Odama FRS was clearly visible at the top of God tree which itself explains its size.

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Naruto's Odama Rasengan Barrage even stunned kyuubi.

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SM Naruto can make thousands of clones without any effort.There is no way sasuke can deal with that many clones.

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Look at what Kyuubi said about SM Naruto's powers

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Single SM Naruto Clone was able to dodge the lightning armour 3rd Raikage's fastest spear.

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So There's no sasuke's susanoo arrow or Amaterasu can catch up naruto's speed and reflexes just like DSM Kabuto did.

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SM Naruto can summon his toad arsenal which can destroy MS Sasuke.

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SM Naruto is obviously much faster than sasuke.He speed blitz to solo Ashura Path.

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SM Naruto in taijutsu > MS Sasuke.There is no way sasuke could see frog kata as not even pain was able to see it with his rinnegan.

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SM Naruto was not a fodder who could be caught under low ass genjutsu of MS sasuke.MS Sasuke's genjutsu was a joke as compared to itachi

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SM Naruto could sense every shinobi even when naruto was on turtle island.He was faraway from the battlefield.Not even kabuto and Obito was able to locate that island.So there is no way Sasuke can't do anything against naruto's sensory abilities.

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Naruto can use frog song jutsu which can neg sasuke without any effort.
On top of everything White Zetsu confirmed it all.

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In short,
In Taijutsu SM Naruto > MS Sasuke
In Genjutsu SM Naruto > MS Sasuke because of Frog genjutsu
In Ninjutsu SM Naruto > MS Sasuke because of his deadly Thousands of SM Clone (1 SM clone smacked 3rd raikage),FRS,Chou Odama FRS and Giant Rasengan barrage

Yet you are asking explanation when everything is already explained

Prometheus 2000 · Oct 16, 2015

Naruto X Hunter said:
You should read threads fully before commenting.

I did. I didn't see anyone mentioning everything I said.

Itachi was going easy on Naruto, Sharingan Genjutsu is on another level, as i stated above, Hebi Sasuke had a 4/5 in Genjutsu in the 3rd databook which covers up to chapter 403, MS Sasuke's Genjutsu is ofcourse better considering he has more power.

There is little proof that suggests Itachi was going easy on Naruto to my knowledge. Was this stated? Even if he was, it was shown that Naruto's capable of dispelling Genjutsu, but Itachi's skill when using it was too much for Naruto to handle. Like I said to Grades N Grabba, Naruto learned better chakra control via nature training and he knows not to look at Sharingan when fighting against a Uchiha. Itachi literally got the drop on him the second time because he can uniquely use Genjutsu with a finger. So I don't see why it would be impossible for Naruto to dispel it is what I'm saying.

Sasuke's Genjutsu is weak compared to Itachi, who as you said is the best, but in general, Sasuke's Genjutsu is great. Also, i've already mentioned how later on when meeting Itachi again, Naruto still looked into his eyes, & was caught in Genjutsu easily, and i also mentioned how Naruto used Rasengan on Edo Nagato because he forgot he could absorb Jutsu.

Naruto got caught off guard by Itachi's finger not his eyes. And Naruto has fought whole battles with Obito, Madara, Sasuke and Itachi in CQC and was doing fine against them and he was the one reminding Bee not to look at Itachi's eyes. He'd do fine against Sasuke because of those reasons.

It's possible Naruto could slip up, and look into Sasuke's eyes during battle. He hasn't trained to fight people with his eyes closed.

Read above.

King of the Heavens · Oct 16, 2015

UZMAKIMADARA said:
SM Naruto was able to enter into SM within 1 minute.He was still in base mode when he climbed up the half of God Tree.When he reached at top he instantly entered into SM.

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SM Naruto can easily lift things as big as kurama who is as big as sasuke's PS which is 200 times bigger than his MS Susanoo.

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SM Naruto's FRS was able to cover 90% kurama, who is as big as Sasuke's Rikodou enhanced PS so there is no way,MS sasuke's susanoo can tank this FRS.

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SM Naruto can make Odama FRS which is much bigger than his Normal SM FRS.It can destroy 2 wood dragons simultaneously.Don't Forget 1 Wood Dragon could be able to cover whole full kurama.So again there is no way sasuke can tank this huge shit.Odama FRS was clearly visible at the top of God tree which itself explains its size.

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Naruto's Odama Rasengan Barrage even stunned kyuubi.

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SM Naruto can make thousands of clones without any effort.There is no way sasuke can deal with that many clones.

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Look at what Kyuubi said about SM Naruto's powers

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Single SM Naruto Clone was able to dodge the lightning armour 3rd Raikage's fastest spear.

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So There's no sasuke's susanoo arrow or Amaterasu can catch up naruto's speed and reflexes just like DSM Kabuto did.

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SM Naruto can summon his toad arsenal which can destroy MS Sasuke.

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SM Naruto is obviously much faster than sasuke.He speed blitz to solo Ashura Path.

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SM Naruto in taijutsu > MS Sasuke.There is no way sasuke could see frog kata as not even pain was able to see it with his rinnegan.

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SM Naruto was not a fodder who could be caught under low ass genjutsu of MS sasuke.MS Sasuke's genjutsu was a joke as compared to itachi

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SM Naruto could sense every shinobi even when naruto was on turtle island.He was faraway from the battlefield.Not even kabuto and Obito was able to locate that island.So there is no way Sasuke can't do anything against naruto's sensory abilities.

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Naruto can use frog song jutsu which can neg sasuke without any effort.
On top of everything White Zetsu confirmed it all.

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In short,
In Taijutsu SM Naruto > MS Sasuke
In Genjutsu SM Naruto > MS Sasuke because of Frog genjutsu
In Ninjutsu SM Naruto > MS Sasuke because of his deadly Thousands of SM Clone (1 SM clone smacked 3rd raikage),FRS,Chou Odama FRS and Giant Rasengan barrage

Yet you are asking explanation when everything is already explained

Now let's see the wasted comebacks

Berner · Oct 16, 2015

Naruto X Hunter said:
Sasuke.

He isn't going to stand around while Naruto gathers NE, so if they were to meet up unexpectedly, then Naruto wouldn't have time to gather NE, thus not being able to enter SM.

Also, Sasuke Vs SM Naruto without the Kyuubi's assisstance equals Naruto easily being defeated by Genjutsu. The Kyuubi was his only counter against High Level Genjutsu. Hebi Sasuke had a 4 in Genjutsu in the databook, MS Sasuke should be higher since he has more power ofcourse.

To give Naruto a chance, we would have to give him the advantage of starting off the battle in SM. After 2 RS Naruto's Senjutsu chakra runs out, meaning no SM, & he can't enter it again im battle cause his opponent isn't going to stand around and let him gather NE, besides that, he can only make an additional 3 clones whilst in Sage Mode (if he has 2 off the battlefield prepped in SM).

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Needs two clones in order to make a RS.

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After 2 RS, he runs out of Senjutsu chakra.

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Sasuke is fast enough to dodge RS, or he could block it with Susano'o which Should be able to handle it considering just it's ribcage was able to defend him against A's Liger Bomb, which Darui said no one ever survived, & an Imperfect Susano'o tank Gaara, Temari, Darui, & Kankuro's simultaneous attacks at the same time. At the very most it would take a Full Susano'o to counter RS.

7 pages and this thread was soloed in less than 5 post

also naruto himself after clashing with sasuke after zetsu said those words said he would need a bijuu power to win

Pukkake Pokayo · Oct 16, 2015

Naruto X Hunter said:
He used it extensively against Danzo, & you're acting as if he needs to use Susano'o the whole time. The question that needs to be asked is how long can Naruto main SM? You should actually read through threads before posting. I explained things in my first comment, & included the pages.

Naruto has 2 RS per SM, & needs 2 clones to help him make an RS, which needs to be thrown from a distance. Sasuke is very fast. Hebi Sasuke has 4.5/5 in speed in the 3rd databook which covers up to chapter 403.

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He's fast enough to dodge RS, & at the very most he can block it with Full Susano'o, which should be able to handle it.

He'll only need Susano'o briefly at most.

Danzo specifically aimed for the weak spot, & was it a fully formed Susano'o? I don't remember.

Read what i said to Pokayo, i've already countered what both of you guys said on the first page.

Sasuke DID susano camp as soon as he got it tho...not that it matters with how taxing using any MS techs is. Naruto's SM battery lasted 5 min per clone or something vs Pain if I remember correctly. I did read the thread. How is what I'm saying not relevant, ffs?

FRS can be spammed and used for surprise attacks. Tanking with susano will be even more taxing.

You're using a fanfic Sasuke.

SIR UZMAKIMADARA · Oct 16, 2015

King of the Heavens said:
Now let's see the wasted comebacks

They are ignorant as always.There is a reason naruto didn't went into SM against MS Sasuke at danzou's battlefield :sigar:

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naruto words soloed this thread as well.

those were the last words spoken

Warlocks · Oct 16, 2015

king of the heavens said:
"sasuke has the dominant arsenal here. He'll most probably win. It really has nothing to do with who runs out of chakra first, because ms sasuke and sm naruto are not even."

no he does not lightning is countered by wind techniques and naruto just needs to dodge the fire techniques. Sage mode naruto can fight with his eyes closed so genjutsu don't work there and when it comes to taijutsu naruto just needs to frog kata which sasuke can't sense or see and its game over the only thing that would work for him is susanoo. Sasuke couldn't handle a blind kabuto using sage mode and he didn't use genjutsu on him because he was told not to bother and ems sasuke couldn't handle sage mode madara who was also blind coudn't even land a attack on any of them. So i don't see him doing anything different here other plot

great counter bro

Warlocks · Oct 16, 2015

THEY WERE ALWAYS SAID NRUTO COULDNT BLOCK AMA WITH CLOCK YET IT WAS PROVED WRONG
NOW THERE SAING SM NARUTO WILL LOSE CUZE OF genjutsu LOL ANY sensor type CAN TELL THERE IN genjutsu OR NOT AND SM NARUTO NEVER CAUGHT ON genjutsu LOL WHY DIDNT SASUKE USE HIS genjutsu ON NARUTO WHEN HE WANT TO KILL NARUTO
CAN YOU SASUKE FAN PROVED THAT ANY SM USER GET CAUGHT ON genjutsu AM SOUR YOU CANT AMA WILL DO NOTHING WHEN NARUTO IN SM

Warlocks · Oct 16, 2015

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naruto words soloed this thread as well.

Those were the last words spoken

oh you believe wat naruto said yet you guys dont believe what sasuke said good

Naruto X Hunter · Oct 16, 2015

UZMAKIMADARA said:
War stuff

SM Naruto was able to enter into SM within 1 minute.He was still in base mode when he climbed up the half of God Tree.When he reached at top he instantly entered into SM.

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SM Naruto can make Odama FRS which is much bigger than his Normal SM FRS.It can destroy 2 wood dragons simultaneously.Don't Forget 1 Wood Dragon could be able to cover whole full kurama.So again there is no way sasuke can tank this huge shit.Odama FRS was clearly visible at the top of God tree which itself explains its size.

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Naruto's Odama Rasengan Barrage even stunned kyuubi.

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SM Naruto can make thousands of clones without any effort.There is no way sasuke can deal with that many clones.

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Look at what Kyuubi said about SM Naruto's powers

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On top of everything White Zetsu confirmed it all.

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Mentioning anything after the Kage Summit arc is a fallacy. This thread is about the level they were on during the same time of the story, not an earlier version of Sasuke with a later version of Naruto.

War Arc Sage Mode Naruto is not Kage Summit Sage Mode Naruto & It is ridiculous how you are using White Zetsu words right after the Pain battle to act as if SM Naruto is Greater than MS Sasuke, when in the OP, it says at that time Sasuke never used Susano'o when White Zetsu made that claim.

Against the Kyuubi, Naruto was able to make so many Shadow Clones because he was fighting the Kyuubi within his subconscious, his physical body was sitting still. All the clones he made was in his subconscious & his real body was in SM which transfered over to all his clones which again were within his subconscious.

The only SM feats you can use is the ones from the Pain arc since he doesn't have any during the Kage Summit.

I've already posted the pages in my first comment in the thread, whilst having 2 clones off the battlefield in SM, Naruto can only make 3 clones in battle. He needs 2 clones to help him form an RS, & After 2 RS, he runs out of Senjutsu chakra.

SM Naruto can summon his toad arsenal which can destroy MS Sasuke.

This is Sasuke Vs Naruto, not Sasuke Vs Naruto, & his bigass toad buddies.

Naruto can use frog song jutsu which can neg sasuke without any effort.

This is Sasuke Vs Naruto not Sasuke Vs Naruto & his old ass toad buddies.

Besides, this battle itself is giving Naruto the advantage of prep time, considering if they met randomly Naruto wouldn't have time to enter SM, but you also want to give Naruto teamates in battle...& The Toad Genjutsu needs prep time aswell, lol How about this, since Naruto gets SM prep time, Sasuke gets Kirin prep time?

If & you want to be stingy/unfair by letting Naruto hog all the prep time for SM, then even if he was to even try to let Pa & Ma perform the Song Genjutsu, that's time Sasuke could be preparing Kirin.

SM Naruto was not a fodder who could be caught under low ass genjutsu of MS sasuke.MS Sasuke's genjutsu was a joke as compared to itachi

Hebi Sasuke's Genjutsu is a 4/5 in the 3rd databook which covers up to chapter 403, considering MS Sasuke has more power his Genjutsu will ofcourse be stronger.

His Genjutsu is weak compared to Itachi, who is the best at it, but in general, Sasuke's Genjutsu is Great. Don't use Itachi as a way to downplay Sasuke's skill in Genjutsu, that's equivalent to someone saying because Gai's Gates Taijutsu is >>>>>Sage Naruto's Taijutsu that SM Naruto's is "fodder level".

SM Naruto is obviously much faster than sasuke.He speed blitz to solo Ashura Path.

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Sasuke ambushed Pain. It was a surprise attack.

By the way, FRS needs to be thrown from a distance, Sasuke is fast enough to dodge it, he doesn't even need Susano'o to block it. Hebi Sasuke's speed was 4.5/5.

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SM Naruto could sense every shinobi even when naruto was on turtle island.He was faraway from the battlefield.Not even kabuto and Obito was able to locate that island.So there is no way Sasuke can't do anything against naruto's sensory abilities.

Irrelevant. Sasuke's not going to hide from Naruto.

Single SM Naruto Clone was able to dodge the lightning armour 3rd Raikage's fastest spear.

So There's no sasuke's susanoo arrow or Amaterasu can catch up naruto's speed and reflexes just like DSM Kabuto did.

I'll give you credit on this. That was a good counter. Naruto has a good chance at dodging Amaterasu & Susano'o arrows.

SM Naruto in taijutsu > MS Sasuke.There is no way sasuke could see frog kata as not even pain was able to see it with his rinnegan.

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This was also a good counter. The only problem Sasuke would have with SM Naruto is his reaction speed & if they fight close range.

SM Naruto needs not to waste any chakra, once he runs out of Senjutsu chakra, he is finished. Sasuke can dodge RS as i said above & i don't see him needing to get close to Naruto when he can fight long range & protected with Susano'o.

Prometheus 2000 said:
I did. I didn't see anyone mentioning everything I said.

There is little proof that suggests Itachi was going easy on Naruto to my knowledge. Was this stated? Even if he was, it was shown that Naruto's capable of dispelling Genjutsu, but Itachi's skill when using it was too much for Naruto to handle. Like I said to Grades N Grabba, Naruto learned better chakra control via nature training and he knows not to look at Sharingan when fighting against a Uchiha. Itachi literally got the drop on him the second time because he can uniquely use Genjutsu with a finger. So I don't see why it would be impossible for Naruto to dispel it is what I'm saying.

Naruto got caught off guard by Itachi's finger not his eyes. And Naruto has fought whole battles with Obito, Madara, Sasuke and Itachi in CQC and was doing fine against them and he was the one reminding Bee not to look at Itachi's eyes. He'd do fine against Sasuke because of those reasons.

Read above.

Itachi didn't want to harm Naruto, and he had 30 percent of his power at the time.

King of the Heavens said:
Now let's see the wasted comebacks

Stop D-riding. His comment failed for the most part. Dude said Naruto can make a thousand SM clones whilst Naruto himself said he can only make 3 whilst having 2 off the battlefield in SM.

He was able to make all those clones and have them all go into SM because they were fighting within him. Within his subconscious, not outside his body.

Pokayo said:
Sasuke DID susano camp as soon as he got it tho...not that it matters with how taxing using any MS techs is. Naruto's SM battery lasted 5 min per clone or something vs Pain if I remember correctly. I did read the thread. How is what I'm saying not relevant, ffs?

FRS can be spammed and used for surprise attacks. Tanking with susano will be even more taxing.

You're using a fanfic Sasuke.

You clearly didn't read the thread good enough. SM last five minutes max, after 2 RS, Naruto uses all his Senjutsu chakra, thus leaves SM. So if he uses both RS in 1 minute, then that's the end of SM.

FRS does need to be thrown from a distance, & Sasuke is fast enough to evade it. Or perhaps you think the databook & manga is lying about his speed.

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They are ignorant as always.There is a reason naruto didn't went into SM against MS Sasuke at danzou's battlefield

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KidGamer65 · Oct 16, 2015

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@bold Mid diff IMO. 3T Sasuke w/CM can have an even match against Pain Arc SM Naruto. MS Sasuke mid diffs, and he doesn't even need to go full MS power.

Not a chance. Any version of SM Naruto wrecks Hebi Sasuke. MS Sasuke w/o V4 high diffs. MS Sasuke w/ V4 mid diffs.

LOL, WTH? Just because "having genjutsu =/= being able to land it" does not give you the right to remove genjutsu as a defeating factor. The chances are low, but not non-existent. If he lands it, it's neg to low diff.

Except I didn't. Reading does wonders for you I hear.

He included genjutsu as a defeating factor, not that Sasuke automatically wins with it.

I highly suggest you read his posts and then reply. He said Sasuke wins because of Genjutsu. He never said that it was a defeating factor only nor did he say that the chances of it happening are low. He said that Genjutsu one shots Naruto because he has no special counter like Perfect Jins do. :lol

Plus, where is the proof that Hashirama did not fell victim of genjutsu because Madara was unable to land it on him? If I say, Hashi had a counter to genjutsu, how'll you prove me wrong?

-Irrelevant. Their fight in canon is irrelevant. I simply asked him, who wins? EMS Madara vs. Hashirama? Never said that Hashirama won in canon because Madara was unable to land Genjutsu.
-Read below.

So how's your assumption not baseless?

Cause my argument is the negative. Hashirama has no magical counter to Genjutsu like Jins do because literally nothing in the Manga implies that he does. We know his key abilities anyway. If you people want to prove that he does, I suggest you actually prove it.

Naruto X Hunter said:
Okay, Hashirama didn't have a counter to Genjutsu yet somehow survived against Madara. He must have never used it then...

Or Madara simply wasn't able to land it. :lol.

Sasuke & Naruto have been my top two favorite characters ever since i got into the story 10 years ago, but i'm not giving Naruto immunity to Genjutsu.

Irrelevant. He doesn't need to be immune to not get hit. And you are dodging the question. I never asked why Hashirama won in canon despite Genjutsu. I asked who would win. Who would win if a VS thread was made right now. Hashirama vs. 3-Tomoe Madara. Because if I used the logic you are using here, Genjutsu automatically one shots.

Yes, Naruto & Danzo are different, that's the point unlike Naruto, Danzo was very experienced with Genjutsu, still got caught without even noticing.

No, Danzo had the strongest Genjutsu. All this experience you are giving him is fanfiction. Danzo barely used KA first of all, and having a Sharingan doesn't automatically mean he's "very experienced" with Genjutsu. Your logic is terrible.

Naruto's only counter would be not looking into Sasuke's eyes.

I've already stated how Naruto doesn't get caught and you've yet to actually reply to that.

-Against Itachi is irrelevant to anything I stated.
-Against Nagato is the only time Naruto has ever made a slip up like that in the middle of battle, one that serious anyway. Outlier, thus irrelevant.

Sure. If Naruto has Genjutsu casted on him, he's finished.

Keyword is IF.

Xlad · Oct 16, 2015

The dreaded Sharingan Genjutsu wank strikes again. Anyways, War Arc SM Naruto is the only one that can take MS Sasuke down good.

To Whatever · Oct 16, 2015

Naruto X Hunter said:
Okay, Hashirama didn't have a counter to Genjutsu yet somehow survived against Madara. He must have never used it then...

Sasuke & Naruto have been my top two favorite characters ever since i got into the story 10 years ago, but i'm not giving Naruto immunity to Genjutsu.

Yes, Naruto & Danzo are different, that's the point unlike Naruto, Danzo was very experienced with Genjutsu, still got caught without even noticing.

Naruto's only counter would be not looking into Sasuke's eyes.

Against Itachi right before he went to fight Sasuke, dude got caught in Genjutsu in an instant from looking into Itachi's eyes, despite knowing of his powers. Let's not forget how he used Rasengan on Nagato because he forgot he could absorb jutsu...yet he's suppoused to fight Sasuke a whole battle without looking in his eyes at all?

No chance of any slip ups?

Sure. If Naruto has Genjutsu casted on him, he's finished.

Poor excuse, & Sasuke has other ways to win. Genjutsu is one of the ways he can win.

I based everything i said off the manga. I even posted the pages about Naruto, & the speed of Susano'os arrows.

Naruto has 2 RS per SM, & needs 2 clones to help him make an RS, which needs to be thrown from a distance. Sasuke is very fast. Hebi Sasuke has 4.5/5 in speed in the 3rd databook which covers up to chapter 403.

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He's fast enough to dodge RS, & at the very most he can block it with Full Susano'o, which should be able to handle it.

I'm not overrating his Genjutsu either. You're underestimating it & falsely assuming Naruto can counter.

You're assuming he's fast enough or Naruto would telegraph his attacks.

But for someone who said 3T can beat SM I'm not surprised. You continue to make up your own scenarios, more power to you.

Arnett McMillan said:
The dreaded Sharingan Genjutsu wank strikes again. Anyways, War Arc SM Naruto is the only one that can take MS Sasuke down good.

I think he had those skills during the kage summit arc. We did see him honing his SM skills in the snow.

King of the Heavens · Oct 16, 2015

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Mentioning anything after the Kage Summit arc is a fallacy. This thread is about the level they were on during the same time of the story, not an earlier version of Sasuke with a later version of Naruto.

War Arc Sage Mode Naruto is not Kage Summit Sage Mode Naruto & It is ridiculous how you are using White Zetsu words right after the Pain battle to act as if SM Naruto is Greater than MS Sasuke, when in the OP, it says at that time Sasuke never used Susano'o when White Zetsu made that claim.

Against the Kyuubi, Naruto was able to make so many Shadow Clones because he was fighting the Kyuubi within his subconscious, his physical body was sitting still. All the clones he made was in his subconscious & his real body was in SM which transfered over to all his clones which again were within his subconscious.

The only SM feats you can use is the ones from the Pain arc since he doesn't have any during the Kage Summit.

I've already posted the pages in my first comment in the thread, whilst having 2 clones off the battlefield in SM, Naruto can only make 3 clones in battle. He needs 2 clones to help him form an RS, & After 2 RS, he runs out of Senjutsu chakra.

This is Sasuke Vs Naruto, not Sasuke Vs Naruto, & his bigass toad buddies.

This is Sasuke Vs Naruto not Sasuke Vs Naruto & his old ass toad buddies.

Besides, this battle itself is giving Naruto the advantage of prep time, considering if they met randomly Naruto wouldn't have time to enter SM, but you also want to give Naruto teamates in battle...& The Toad Genjutsu needs prep time aswell, lol How about this, since Naruto gets SM prep time, Sasuke gets Kirin prep time?

If & you want to be stingy/unfair by letting Naruto hog all the prep time for SM, then even if he was to even try to let Pa & Ma perform the Song Genjutsu, that's time Sasuke could be preparing Kirin.

Hebi Sasuke's Genjutsu is a 4/5 in the 3rd databook which covers up to chapter 403, considering MS Sasuke has more power his Genjutsu will ofcourse be stronger.

His Genjutsu is weak compared to Itachi, who is the best at it, but in general, Sasuke's Genjutsu is Great. Don't use Itachi as a way to downplay Sasuke's skill in Genjutsu, that's equivalent to someone saying because Gai's Gates Taijutsu is >>>>>Sage Naruto's Taijutsu that SM Naruto's is "fodder level".

Sasuke ambushed Pain. It was a surprise attack.

By the way, FRS needs to be thrown from a distance, Sasuke is fast enough to dodge it, he doesn't even need Susano'o to block it. Hebi Sasuke's speed was 4.5/5.

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Irrelevant. Sasuke's not going to hide from Naruto.

I'll give you credit on this. That was a good counter. Naruto has a good chance at dodging Amaterasu & Susano'o arrows.

This was also a good counter. The only problem Sasuke would have with SM Naruto is his reaction speed & if they fight close range.

SM Naruto needs not to waste any chakra, once he runs out of Senjutsu chakra, he is finished. Sasuke can dodge RS as i said above & i don't see him needing to get close to Naruto when he can fight long range & protected with Susano'o.

Itachi didn't want to harm Naruto, and he had 30 percent of his power at the time.

Stop D-riding. His comment failed for the most part. Dude said Naruto can make a thousand SM clones whilst Naruto himself said he can only make 3 whilst having 2 off the battlefield in SM.

He was able to make all those clones and have them all go into SM because they were fighting within him. Within his subconscious, not outside his body.

You clearly didn't read the thread good enough. SM last five minutes max, after 2 RS, Naruto uses all his Senjutsu chakra, thus leaves SM. So if he uses both RS in 1 minute, then that's the end of SM.

FRS does need to be thrown from a distance, & Sasuke is fast enough to evade it. Or perhaps you think the databook & manga is lying about his speed.

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what theory are you basing this on huh? That making shadow clones inside your body is different to making it outside

King of the Heavens · Oct 16, 2015

so6p0 said:
great counter bro

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Naruto X Hunter · Oct 16, 2015

King of the Heavens said:
what theory are you basing this on huh? That making shadow clones inside your body is different to making it outside

Naruto was fighting the Kyuubi within his subconscious. His real body was sitting still constantly gathering Nature energy thus he was able to share it with the clones who were inside his subconscious.

Things are different when he is facing other opponents, considering he is not fighting them within his mind. He can't sit still & gather NE the whole time like he did against the Kyuubi & the clones are out side his body, so whatever NE the real body gathers doesn't go to his clones.

on my first comment on the first page, i already posted the page of Naruto saying he can only make 3 clones whilst having 2 other clones in SM off the battle field.

King of the Heavens said:
watch Naruto x Hunter come up with nice fanfiction

Like how your buddy was doing, claiming Naruto can make 1000 SM clones even though Naruto himself said other wise.

Nips said:
You're assuming he's fast enough or Naruto would telegraph his attacks.

But for someone who said 3T can beat SM I'm not surprised. You continue to make up your own scenarios, more power to you.

I think he had those skills during the kage summit arc. We did see him honing his SM skills in the snow.

& You're assuming he had War arc skills in the Kage Summit. Hyprocrite.

Sasuke is not a homing beacon & RS isn't set to go at him despite him moving.

Naruto throws RS from a distance as to not get caught in his own technique. We have seen Sasuke instantly cross over great distance in foot speed, & the databook significantly praises his speed in it's description.

Yes he is fast enough to dodge RS.

Pukkake Pokayo · Oct 16, 2015

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Mentioning anything after the Kage Summit arc is a fallacy. This thread is about the level they were on during the same time of the story, not an earlier version of Sasuke with a later version of Naruto.

War Arc Sage Mode Naruto is not Kage Summit Sage Mode Naruto & It is ridiculous how you are using White Zetsu words right after the Pain battle to act as if SM Naruto is Greater than MS Sasuke, when in the OP, it says at that time Sasuke never used Susano'o when White Zetsu made that claim.

Against the Kyuubi, Naruto was able to make so many Shadow Clones because he was fighting the Kyuubi within his subconscious, his physical body was sitting still. All the clones he made was in his subconscious & his real body was in SM which transfered over to all his clones which again were within his subconscious.

The only SM feats you can use is the ones from the Pain arc since he doesn't have any during the Kage Summit.

I've already posted the pages in my first comment in the thread, whilst having 2 clones off the battlefield in SM, Naruto can only make 3 clones in battle. He needs 2 clones to help him form an RS, & After 2 RS, he runs out of Senjutsu chakra.

This is Sasuke Vs Naruto, not Sasuke Vs Naruto, & his bigass toad buddies.

This is Sasuke Vs Naruto not Sasuke Vs Naruto & his old ass toad buddies.

Besides, this battle itself is giving Naruto the advantage of prep time, considering if they met randomly Naruto wouldn't have time to enter SM, but you also want to give Naruto teamates in battle...& The Toad Genjutsu needs prep time aswell, lol How about this, since Naruto gets SM prep time, Sasuke gets Kirin prep time?

If & you want to be stingy/unfair by letting Naruto hog all the prep time for SM, then even if he was to even try to let Pa & Ma perform the Song Genjutsu, that's time Sasuke could be preparing Kirin.

Hebi Sasuke's Genjutsu is a 4/5 in the 3rd databook which covers up to chapter 403, considering MS Sasuke has more power his Genjutsu will ofcourse be stronger.

His Genjutsu is weak compared to Itachi, who is the best at it, but in general, Sasuke's Genjutsu is Great. Don't use Itachi as a way to downplay Sasuke's skill in Genjutsu, that's equivalent to someone saying because Gai's Gates Taijutsu is >>>>>Sage Naruto's Taijutsu that SM Naruto's is "fodder level".

Sasuke ambushed Pain. It was a surprise attack.

By the way, FRS needs to be thrown from a distance, Sasuke is fast enough to dodge it, he doesn't even need Susano'o to block it. Hebi Sasuke's speed was 4.5/5.

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Irrelevant. Sasuke's not going to hide from Naruto.

I'll give you credit on this. That was a good counter. Naruto has a good chance at dodging Amaterasu & Susano'o arrows.

This was also a good counter. The only problem Sasuke would have with SM Naruto is his reaction speed & if they fight close range.

SM Naruto needs not to waste any chakra, once he runs out of Senjutsu chakra, he is finished. Sasuke can dodge RS as i said above & i don't see him needing to get close to Naruto when he can fight long range & protected with Susano'o.

Itachi didn't want to harm Naruto, and he had 30 percent of his power at the time.

Stop D-riding. His comment failed for the most part. Dude said Naruto can make a thousand SM clones whilst Naruto himself said he can only make 3 whilst having 2 off the battlefield in SM.

He was able to make all those clones and have them all go into SM because they were fighting within him. Within his subconscious, not outside his body.

You clearly didn't read the thread good enough. SM last five minutes max, after 2 RS, Naruto uses all his Senjutsu chakra, thus leaves SM. So if he uses both RS in 1 minute, then that's the end of SM.

FRS does need to be thrown from a distance, & Sasuke is fast enough to evade it. Or perhaps you think the databook & manga is lying about his speed.

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K. Just ignore my points then. Sorry if I don't feel like memorizing your Sasuke wank and Naruto underestimating. I should really listen to your words and treat them as gospel

if your word is so correct and law. You wouldn't have people debating with you now, would you?

Thanks for the neg rep. Acting like a spoilt child "listen to me, wahh". You asked a question. I answered it. You're making up your own fanfic conditions and mentalities for the fight.

Naruto X Hunter · Oct 16, 2015

Pokayo said:
K. Just ignore my points then. Sorry if I don't feel like memorizing your Sasuke wank and Naruto underestimating. I should really listen to your words and treat them as gospel if your word is so correct and law. You wouldn't have people debating with you now, would you?

Thanks for the neg rep. Acting like a spoilt child "listen to me, wahh". You asked a question. I answered it. You're making up your own fanfic conditions and mentalities for the fight.

It's not my words, its the manga, hence me posting the manga pages. its not my fault that SM last 5 minutes Max, it's not my fault Naruto runs out of Senjutsu chakra after 2 RS, nor is it my fault he needs 2 clones to form an RS.

I'm not understimating Naruto for posting facts about his abilities. You are the one who was too ignorant to know of them & instead overhyped SM whist acting as if Sasuke would constantly need to use his MS.

This battle itself had unfair conditions hence giving Naruto prep time for SM while Sasuke doesn't have any prep time for anything, how about letting Sasuke have prep time for Kirin?

No? Well then no prep time for Naruto, which means no Sm, & we know what happens without SM.

To Whatever · Oct 16, 2015

Naruto X Hunter said:
Naruto was fighting the Kyuubi within his subconscious. His real body was sitting still constantly gathering Nature energy thus he was able to share it with the clones who were inside his subconscious.

Things are different when he is facing other opponents, considering he is not fighting them within his mind. He can't sit still & gather NE the whole time like he did against the Kyuubi & the clones are out side his body, so whatever NE the real body gathers doesn't go to his clones.

on my first comment on the first page, i already posted the page of Naruto saying he can only make 3 clones whilst having 2 other clones in SM off the battle field.

Like how your buddy was doing, claiming Naruto can make 1000 SM clones even though Naruto himself said other wise.

& You're assuming he had War arc skills in the Kage Summit. Hyprocrite.

Sasuke is not a homing beacon & RS isn't set to go at him despite him moving.

Naruto throws RS from a distance as to not get caught in his own technique. We have seen Sasuke instantly cross over great distance in foot speed, & the databook significantly praises his speed in it's description.

Yes he is fast enough to dodge RS.

I'm not saying as a fact like you are. And we've only seen Sasuke instantly move via ameno.

Who would've won if Naruto and Sasuke fought at this level?

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