Who would you consider the greatest uchiha? madara, sasuke, or itachi?

[Lightbringer]

Madara and sasuke are both whiny that cry when they don't get there way!

Itachi is the best because he seems to be genuinely powerful, intelligent and overall not a pyschopath! Where as both sasuke and Madara have no problem ignoring there best friends for there own arrogance.

What do you mean genuinely powerful?

and unlike Madara and Sasuke, when Itachi lost Shisui, Shisui explained the situation to him and about his sacrifice to which Itachi made a promise to....he promised to protect the village and the Uchiha name and not take vengeance.

hence why the curse of the Uchiha didn't affect him as much in comparison to when Madara lost his brother in battle or Sasuke losing Itachi and finding out the truth about his actions.

 

[~Zonta~]

Itachi and Madara no doubt about it ..........

Sasuke is no where near in their league .

 

[Kinimaster]

Itachi at 7 3 tomoe sharingan > Madara at like ten? 1 tomoe

Itachi also was the only one to break from the curse of hatred and by far the smartest one of them.

 

[Lightbringer]

Itachi at 7 3 tomoe sharingan > Madara at like ten? 1 tomoe

Itachi also was the only one to break from the curse of hatred and by far the smartes one.

how's he the smartest one? Madara planned his resurrection, the revival of the 10 tails, the obtaining of the Rinnegan, and infinite tsukuyomi.

the only thing Itachi ever did was plan out his own death through torturing Sasuke.....and he's not the only character that has analyzing skills

Even naruto was able to figure out how to defeat the 3rd raikage

Itachi broke from the curse because Shishui committed suicide and explained to him why and asked Itachi to protect the village and the Uchiha name rather than seek vengeance

Both Sasuke and Madara had to make their own way

 

[Kinimaster]

how's he the smartest one? Madara planned his resurrection, the revival of the 10 tails, the obtaining of the Rinnegan, and infinite tsukuyomi.

the only thing Itachi ever did was plan out his own death through torturing Sasuke.....and he's not the only character that has analyzing skills

Even naruto was able to figure out how to defeat the 3rd raikage

Itachi broke from the curse because Shishui committed suicide and explained to him why and asked Itachi to protect the village and the Uchiha name rather than seek vengeance

Both Sasuke and Madara had to make their own way

Compare kid Madara to kid Itachi, just their quotes and you'll see. Madara was born at war his decisions were only warfare and pretty linear ones, Itachi on the other side was much more complicated.

Madara also had a life to prepare that, that is not intelligence is thinking through time and actually having it for such.

 

[Lightbringer]

Compare kid Madara to kid Itachi, just their quotes and you'll see. Madara was born at war his decisions were only warfare and pretty linear ones, Itachi on the other side was much more complicated.

Madara also had a life to prepare that, that is not intelligence is thinking through time and actually having it for such.

Hang on a second...did you just say Madara's decisions were simple because they were based on warfare?

Living a life of war is vastly complicated than living in a life where something might go wrong eventually. Madara was not the leader of the Uchiha until that battle with Hashi where he lost Izuna....before that, his decisions were not his own

Nonetheless, we don't know the reason for the war in the first place, so how could you say his decisions were only based on warfare and not for the benefit of his clan? Being a leader of a clan doesn't mean his clan won't question his actions either.....this is shown when they abandoned him after the treaty.

Madara as a kid talked about peace with another clan....kid Itachi, I don't recall many wise quotes from him

Gaining immortality isn't simple.....if it was, then everyone would have done it and Madara was the only one that knew how to live that long and obtain all that power

If Itachi was able to obtain as much power as Madara, he could have prevented the slaughter of the Uchiha and possibly take over Konoha

 

[Kinimaster]

Hang on a second...did you just say Madara's decisions were simple because they were based on warfare?

Living a life of war is vastly complicated than living in a life where something might go wrong eventually. Madara was not the leader of the Uchiha until that battle with Hashi where he lost Izuna....before that, his decisions were not his own

Nonetheless, we don't know the reason for the war in the first place, so how could you say his decisions were only based on warfare and not for the benefit of his clan? Being a leader of a clan doesn't mean his clan won't question his actions either.....this is shown when they abandoned him after the treaty.

Madara as a kid talked about peace with another clan....kid Itachi, I don't recall many wise quotes from him

Gaining immortality isn't simple.....if it was, then everyone would have done it and Madara was the only one that knew how to live that long and obtain all that power

If Itachi was able to obtain as much power as Madara, he could have prevented the slaughter of the Uchiha and possibly take over Konoha

Okay it seems i should give a bunch of reasons on why Itachi is the greatest Uchiha(and this is not Raw power wise because we know Madara is).

1.- Itachi(probably Shisui too but he wasnt as crucial) was the only one to see the bigger picture and actually put aside the attachment to his clan and fight for the benefit of the most people and future of the village.
2.- Itachi mastered the Sharingan faster than anyone(fact).
3.- Itachi at 7 hold one of the biggest psicological hypes of the entire manga(i knew he was like that even before Hiruzen said it).
4.- Itachi despite learning about MS and obtaining it himself didnt succumb to the traditional hatred of the Uchiha clan, as explained by Tobirama. He aimed for Sasuke to judge him and die by his hands to make his little brother stronger to eventually go against Obito and Madra's plan(Its going to happen and everyone knows it).
5.- Itachi never lost a battle despite being ill and blind(Sasuke's was planned).
6.-Itachi had by far the most insight of them all, go see the quotes he told Sasuke, Kabuto and Naruto. He looks much wiser than Madara that just seem to hold 3 feelings, Grudge, Arrogance and Despair. In fact Kid Madara could have become a much better ninja(overall Shinobi wise), but hatred and humilliation completely dominated him.

 

[Lightbringer]

Okay it seems i should give a bunch of reasons on why Itachi is the greatest Uchiha(and this is not Raw power wise because we know Madara is).

1.- Itachi(probably Shisui too but he wasnt as crucial) was the only one to see the bigger picture and actually put aside the attachment to his clan and fight for the benefit of the most people and future of the village.
2.- Itachi mastered the Sharingan faster than anyone(fact).
3.- Itachi at 7 hold one of the biggest psicological hypes of the entire manga(i knew he was like that even before Hiruzen said it).
4.- Itachi despite learning about MS and obtaining it himself didnt succumb to the traditional hatred of the Uchiha clan, as explained by Tobirama. He aimed for Sasuke to judge him and die by his hands to make his little brother stronger to eventually go against Obito and Madra's plan(Its going to happen and everyone knows it).
5.- Itachi never lost a battle despite being ill and blind(Sasuke's was planned).
6.-Itachi had by far the most insight of them all, go see the quotes he told Sasuke, Kabuto and Naruto. He looks much wiser than Madara that just seem to hold 3 feelings, Grudge, Arrogance and Despair. In fact Kid Madara could have become a much better ninja(overall Shinobi wise), but hatred and humilliation completely dominated him.

We only know when Itachi obtained the sharingan, not how long it took him to master it.....he doesn't even have the complete stabilized susanoo(hows that mastering?)

Itachi never won a battle that was 1v1.....Kabuto was a 2v1, Nagato was a 3vs1, never technically beat Sasuke

As I've stated, the curse of the Uchiha didn't affect Itachi because Shishui willingly took his life and made Itachi promise to protect the village and the Uchiha name.....meaning no revenge

Madara lost his brother in battle and Sasuke found out the truth about Itachi.....that's a lot different than what Itachi faced where he chose to slaughter his family at the cost of saving his village after promising Shishui

without Shishui, Itachi would have succumbed just the same

Even now we see Sasuke going through something similar as Itachi, rethinking his decision of revenge because Itachi chose his path and not so much as forced as Sasuke was led to believe....because now he had some guidance, just like Shishui guided Itachi's whole path

Wisdom and Intelligence are two different things.....we know Madara was wise because of his ideals as a child, but life changed him

Itachi still had his brother, Madara lost his younger brother and as Hashi stated, Madara cared for Izuna probably more so than Itachi cared for Sasuke

If Itachi lost Sasuke....maybe he would have become just as bad as Madara

 

[Itachi Solos]

Itachi solos

 

[mun]

We only know when Itachi obtained the sharingan, not how long it took him to master it.....he doesn't even have the complete stabilized susanoo(hows that mastering?)

Itachi never won a battle that was 1v1.....Kabuto was a 2v1, Nagato was a 3vs1, never technically beat Sasuke

As I've stated, the curse of the Uchiha didn't affect Itachi because Shishui willingly took his life and made Itachi promise to protect the village and the Uchiha name.....meaning no revenge

Madara lost his brother in battle and Sasuke found out the truth about Itachi.....that's a lot different than what Itachi faced where he chose to slaughter his family at the cost of saving his village after promising Shishui

without Shishui, Itachi would have succumbed just the same

Even now we see Sasuke going through something similar as Itachi, rethinking his decision of revenge because Itachi chose his path and not so much as forced as Sasuke was led to believe....because now he had some guidance, just like Shishui guided Itachi's whole path

Wisdom and Intelligence are two different things.....we know Madara was wise because of his ideals as a child, but life changed him

Itachi still had his brother, Madara lost his younger brother and as Hashi stated, Madara cared for Izuna probably more so than Itachi cared for Sasuke

If Itachi lost Sasuke....maybe he would have become just as bad as Madara

lightbringer just stop it, if you know how to read the manga correctly you would know itachi is the greatest uchiha and he would've surpassed madara with ease if he had EMS. Itachi is far above sasuke and madara

 

[Kinimaster]

We only know when Itachi obtained the sharingan, not how long it took him to master it.....he doesn't even have the complete stabilized susanoo(hows that mastering?)

Itachi never won a battle that was 1v1.....Kabuto was a 2v1, Nagato was a 3vs1, never technically beat Sasuke

As I've stated, the curse of the Uchiha didn't affect Itachi because Shishui willingly took his life and made Itachi promise to protect the village and the Uchiha name.....meaning no revenge

Madara lost his brother in battle and Sasuke found out the truth about Itachi.....that's a lot different than what Itachi faced where he chose to slaughter his family at the cost of saving his village after promising Shishui

without Shishui, Itachi would have succumbed just the same

Even now we see Sasuke going through something similar as Itachi, rethinking his decision of revenge because Itachi chose his path and not so much as forced as Sasuke was led to believe....because now he had some guidance, just like Shishui guided Itachi's whole path

Wisdom and Intelligence are two different things.....we know Madara was wise because of his ideals as a child, but life changed him

Itachi still had his brother, Madara lost his younger brother and as Hashi stated, Madara cared for Izuna probably more so than Itachi cared for Sasuke

If Itachi lost Sasuke....maybe he would have become just as bad as Madara

1.- He mastered the sharingan at 7, mastering means three tomoe, the other upgrades are circumstancial and need certain requirements. Go look that up, i thought everyone knew that by now. He also obtained MS at 12.

2.- Itachi fought Orochimaru, Deidara, Kurenai, Kakashi, Naruto a bunch of times, Sasuke, Oro again, Nagato, Kabuto. Not all of the fights them were 1 vs 1 but he dominated in all of them, he never looked under pressure or pushed to his limits. Against Sasuke was obvious because Sasuke was trembling with no chakra, no oro chakra, not even weapons and Itachi had full Susano'o up, he just decided to put the last of his chakra in an Amaterasu transcription seal on Sasuke and die.

3.- You dont know if Itachi would have go to the Hatred path(i doubt it), thats an assumption, fact is he didnt.

4.- Itachi didnt also lost the love of his brother, but also everything, including his life, humanity, and entire clan. Also got repudiated by his own loved village and labelled as an a criminal in the bingo book.

5.- Life changes everyone Itachi had an awfull life, yet his will was untouchable.

 

[Targaryen]

Madara is strongest.

 

[Talal]

Yeah but the difference between Christopher Columbus and Madara is that Madara planned it all, and Christopher Columbus accidentally stumbled upon it.

I gave him credit for everything except for Itachi getting MS. I don't see how Madara has anything to do with Itachi having MS, he would have unlocked it without even knowing about it.

 

[Lightbringer]

lightbringer just stop it, if you know how to read the manga correctly you would know itachi is the greatest uchiha and he would've surpassed madara with ease if he had EMS. Itachi is far above sasuke and madara

Ok and that's if he had it, then maybe

but he never did, and that's why he's not the greatest.

When I hear about Itachi's greatness...all I hear is how hyped up he is....most of it is all what if and fanfiction and not actual feats

Yes Itachi is smart....but because he said ever jutsu has a weakness and that he's calm, everyone immediately thinks he can defeat anybody.....no

Itachi was guided by Shishui, saving him from the Uchiha Curse, made a deal to save his brother, and was hoping to make his brother look like a hero for killing him(plan failed)

Madara lost all his brothers, had no guidance and nothing left but his hatred, was bred in a time of war and where trust was not easy, obtained the rinnegan, made Obito his apprentice to fulfill his plans(akatsuki, etc), planned his resurrection(which happened), revived the ten tails, and is now virtually unstoppable

all that's left is him becoming jinchuriki and casting inifinite tsukuyomi(yes that probably won't happen) but at least he got close.....not only that but his plan is FAAAARR more complicated than having someone kill you

who is greater?

 

[Lightbringer]

I gave him credit for everything except for Itachi getting MS. I don't see how Madara has anything to do with Itachi having MS, he would have unlocked it without even knowing about it.

Madara and Izuna were the first to obtain the MS.....2 out of many generations before them have never seen such a thing

if it was all written within the stone tablet....I'm sure more people would have gotten it

but that's not what affected Itachi's MS

Without Madara would be no Obito....with no Obito would be no kyuubi attack which was the boiling point for the Uchiha massacre

without that, Shishui would not have had to give up his life and Itachi would not have obtained the MS

 

[Lightbringer]

1.- He mastered the sharingan at 7, mastering means three tomoe, the other upgrades are circumstancial and need certain requirements. Go look that up, i thought everyone knew that by now. He also obtained MS at 12.

2.- Itachi fought Orochimaru, Deidara, Kurenai, Kakashi, Naruto a bunch of times, Sasuke, Oro again, Nagato, Kabuto. Not all of the fights them were 1 vs 1 but he dominated in all of them, he never looked under pressure or pushed to his limits. Against Sasuke was obvious because Sasuke was trembling with no chakra, no oro chakra, not even weapons and Itachi had full Susano'o up, he just decided to put the last of his chakra in an Amaterasu transcription seal on Sasuke and die.

3.- You dont know if Itachi would have go to the Hatred path(i doubt it), thats an assumption, fact is he didnt.

4.- Itachi didnt also lost the love of his brother, but also everything, including his life, humanity, and entire clan. Also got repudiated by his own loved village and labelled as an a criminal in the bingo book.

5.- Life changes everyone Itachi had an awfull life, yet his will was untouchable.

Again, Itachi was guided by Shishui...without him, he would have fallen apart

Shishui told him to protect the Uchiha name and the village, and that's what he did....he had no other goals at that point because someone else made it for him

 

[Penguin]

Itachi is the only one who hasn't been beaten

Sasuke beat him.
Admited inferiority to Jiraiya.
He did not fight Danzo for a reason.

 

[Kinimaster]

Again, Itachi was guided by Shishui...without him, he would have fallen apart

Shishui told him to protect the Uchiha name and the village, and that's what he did....he had no other goals at that point because someone else made it for him

Glad thats the only thing you are neglecting from my post, and it seems you didnt read my answer, thats an assumption, you DONT know if he would go in the hatred path, the only thing we DO know is he didnt. Get it?

 

[Lightbringer]

Glad thats the only thing you are neglecting from my post, and it seems you didnt read my answer, thats an assumption, you DONT know if he would go in the hatred path, the only thing we DO know is he didnt. Get it?

just because it's an assumption doesn't mean it's not a logical one.....it's honestly hard comparing two different lives in two different periods of time

but in the end, Madara was the one who left the mark in history and will always be remembered

he was the first to awaken the MS, EMS, and 2nd to obtain the rinnegan....he awakened the ten tails, defeated the 5 kage, planned the capture of the bijuu and world war, and stole Hashi's DNA to enhance his abilities and prolong his life

his actions was what influenced Obito and the Uchiha massacre, influencing Itachi's life, influencing Sasuke's life, influencing Naruto's life and Minato's death.......not to mention influencing Obito to control/become the 4th Mizukage and throw the hidden mist in turmoil

idk how that doesn't make him the greatest Uchiha

He is obviously very intelligent to achieve all that

 

[Talal]

Madara and Izuna were the first to obtain the MS.....2 out of many generations before them have never seen such a thing

if it was all written within the stone tablet....I'm sure more people would have gotten it

but that's not what affected Itachi's MS

Without Madara would be no Obito....with no Obito would be no kyuubi attack which was the boiling point for the Uchiha massacre

without that, Shishui would not have had to give up his life and Itachi would not have obtained the MS

Oh I see what you meant. But your view is so broad, many characters become very important when you look at it that way.