Who WOULD be stronger Edo Madara or Edo Hashirama ( read first)

[Prime Rib]

madara

 

[scottyy]

Well true that, Hashi-boy does have the Exp advantage. BUT Madara is better with the Eyes. But I guess someone like Hashirama's caliber can learn to use it fast. Medical Ninjutsu actually can provide lots of advantages (Tsunade and Kabuto fight, Tsunade could've finished of Kabuto easily after screwing up his nervous system).[/Q]

Kabuto wasnt an Edo if hashirama did that to Madara it wouldnt result in anything

 

[scottyy]

Well true that, Hashi-boy does have the Exp advantage. BUT Madara is better with the Eyes. But I guess someone like Hashirama's caliber can learn to use it fast. Medical Ninjutsu actually can provide lots of advantages (Tsunade and Kabuto fight, Tsunade could've finished of Kabuto easily after screwing up his nervous system).[/Q]

Kabuto wasnt an Edo if hashirama did that to Madara it wouldnt result in anything

 

[KingHashirama]

Yep, I think I'd be close, but Hashirama has more experience, like you had said earlier, with mokuton, although, I will argue that any and all medical ninjutsu will prove useless in this fight for well, obvious reasons.

Well true that, Hashi-boy does have the Exp advantage. BUT Madara is better with the Eyes. But I guess someone like Hashirama's caliber can learn to use it fast. Medical Ninjutsu actually can provide lots of advantages (Tsunade and Kabuto fight, Tsunade could've finished of Kabuto easily after screwing up his nervous system).

 

[TheGeorge]

I call draw, Hashirama barely beat Madara and he had better healing than tsunade. That just goes to show you that Madara probably got more hits on hashi than hashi on Madara. I mean just think about it. And now they practically have the same powers so the healing won't matter just like kazekage35 posted. And even if Hashi had better sealing(which hasen't been stated anywhere in the manga, and if it was please show me) Madara would've seen and known them already considering they've fought so many times before, not only that but he'd probably know how to use all of hashi's jutsus because of his sharingan. Hashi would still be at a disadvantage because he would have to learn how to use his EMS unlike Madara who already know about mukoton. So IMO Madara takes this or they keep fighting until someone makes a mistake causing them to lose...Done and done.

 

[Stark]

.. Madara could whoop Hashirama also... So I don't get your point.. And If I was squeezing in a win for my "fav" character (as you believe him to be).. then I would have just made a thread on Alive Hashirama > Edo Madara.. Simple as that.

That would have been some fanboy shit lol.

 

[Sexy Steel]

They are equal.
even though they both have dojutsu and wood tech (with each ninja's prowess with each respective ability)
Wood techs : hashi>madara
Dojutsu : madara > hashi
Other jutsu : copied by sharingan/rennigan (unless you bring up some non existant blood line limit)
Healing: They are both Edo? and madara has hashi's healing tech so it pretty much evens out
Experience: Generally equal

If wood tech fails on madara's part becasue hashi uses wood techs better, he would have to rely on his dojutsu which he has more prowess with, same goes for hashirama, he will switch to wood techs because his experience with the usage of dojutsu is close to non existant. It comes down to wood Vs dojutsu, in the past hashi won this battle but this battle. But the rennigan is a new factor, it would not guarantee madara the win because hasirama would counter with some rennigan techs with his own rennigan on a lower scale (same applies to madara).


but if you really want to know who i support, i say madara he knows almost all of hashirama's wood techs from battle expereince, hashi knows of madara sharingan techs but not the rennigan techs and won;t be able to counter properly.

 

[TheSages456]

you didnt need to give hashirama all these powers. he takes this in his normal form.

 

[KingHashirama]

I call draw, Hashirama barely beat Madara and he had better healing than tsunade. That just goes to show you that Madara probably got more hits on hashi than hashi on Madara. I mean just think about it. And now they practically have the same powers so the healing won't matter just like kazekage35 posted. And even if Hashi had better sealing(which hasen't been stated anywhere in the manga, and if it was please show me) Madara would've seen and known them already considering they've fought so many times before, not only that but he'd probably know how to use all of hashi's jutsus because of his sharingan. Hashi would still be at a disadvantage because he would have to learn how to use his EMS unlike Madara who already know about mukoton. So IMO Madara takes this or they keep fighting until someone makes a mistake causing them to lose...Done and done.

Sharingan cannot simply copy the jutsu.. Otherwise Kakashi > Sarutobi.. Hashirama has seen Madara's techniques..Uchihas rely on the Sharingan as their offense and Defense while the Senju have other jutsus.. So Adding ems and rinnegan to Hashirama technically makes him better. Healing doesn't = Medical ninjutsu. There is more to it then that. And we have still to see the jutsus in his scroll.

They are equal.
even though they both have dojutsu and wood tech (with each ninja's prowess with each respective ability)
Wood techs : hashi>madara
Dojutsu : madara > hashi
Other jutsu : copied by sharingan/rennigan (unless you bring up some non existant blood line limit)
Healing: They are both Edo? and madara has hashi's healing tech so it pretty much evens out
Experience: Generally equal

If wood tech fails on madara's part becasue hashi uses wood techs better, he would have to rely on his dojutsu which he has more prowess with, same goes for hashirama, he will switch to wood techs because his experience with the usage of dojutsu is close to non existant. It comes down to wood Vs dojutsu, in the past hashi won this battle but this battle. But the rennigan is a new factor, it would not guarantee madara the win because hasirama would counter with some rennigan techs with his own rennigan on a lower scale (same applies to madara).


but if you really want to know who i support, i say madara he knows almost all of hashirama's wood techs from battle expereince, hashi knows of madara sharingan techs but not the rennigan techs and won;t be able to counter properly.

Exp Greatly goes to Hashirama, due to Hashirama being the strongest already.. while Madara climbing the ranks. Hashirama does have his Scroll of Seal jutsus which we don't know fully. But considering that is filled with "forbidden jutsus" or "secret jutsus". I will also give Hashirama the advantage in that. And I believe Hashirama can use the EMS efficiently enough. And the Rinnegan would be new to both. But Hashirama apparently is the "wiser" guy, so I think he would know more. But yea.

 

[Sexy Steel]

Sharingan cannot simply copy the jutsu.. Otherwise Kakashi > Sarutobi.. Hashirama has seen Madara's techniques..Uchihas rely on the Sharingan as their offense and Defense while the Senju have other jutsus.. So Adding ems and rinnegan to Hashirama technically makes him better. Healing doesn't = Medical ninjutsu. There is more to it then that. And we have still to see the jutsus in his scroll.




Exp Greatly goes to Hashirama, due to Hashirama being the strongest already.. while Madara climbing the ranks. Hashirama does have his Scroll of Seal jutsus which we don't know fully. But considering that is filled with "forbidden jutsus" or "secret jutsus". I will also give Hashirama the advantage in that. And I believe Hashirama can use the EMS efficiently enough. And the Rinnegan would be new to both. But Hashirama apparently is the "wiser" guy, so I think he would know more. But yea.

as i have said madara had the rennigan before he died it really isn't new to him, where as hashirama i'm sure hasn't seen it before.

madara has watched hasirama use his wood techniques (watched handseals with his sharingan) in amazement but could never use them (probably why he decided to get senju dna but failed). Then he got revived via edo tensei and pulls out quite a few mokuton techs with ease. Hashirama hasn't see rennigan techs but giving him the benefit of the doubt he will get along with the program and create some counters. This my reason for giving madara the experience portion of the battle.

They both have an ace in the hole and you maybe right about the sealing techs hashirama posseses,damage can be done to madara and he could be sealed quickly before he is fully revived by edo tensei. In short you were right, hashirama would most likely win

 

[slaton02]

:sy: Hashirama wins, I'm not gonna explain because I shouldn't have to. If you don't know why he wins then.........(walks out room)

 

[TheGeorge]

Sharingan cannot simply copy the jutsu.. Otherwise Kakashi > Sarutobi.. Hashirama has seen Madara's techniques..Uchihas rely on the Sharingan as their offense and Defense while the Senju have other jutsus.. So Adding ems and rinnegan to Hashirama technically makes him better. Healing doesn't = Medical ninjutsu. There is more to it then that. And we have still to see the jutsus in his scroll.




Exp Greatly goes to Hashirama, due to Hashirama being the strongest already.. while Madara climbing the ranks. Hashirama does have his Scroll of Seal jutsus which we don't know fully. But considering that is filled with "forbidden jutsus" or "secret jutsus". I will also give Hashirama the advantage in that. And I believe Hashirama can use the EMS efficiently enough. And the Rinnegan would be new to both. But Hashirama apparently is the "wiser" guy, so I think he would know more. But yea.

Actually it does as shown in part one with Kakashi you just have to have the affinity for it which Madara now has. And for all we know he can I mean he copied zabuzas rather easily and sarutobi also had genjutsu which can't be copied as well as more battle experience.
It's true that they use their sharingan, but that doesn't necessarily mean that they rely on it and they also have more jutsu, I mean Sasuke has at least more than 10 ninjutsu and I'm pretty sure Madara can beat him, not to mention he could've probably gotten more through out his battles with other clans, Kakashi got his jutsus in a rather similar way. It doesn't really matter what other abilities medical ninjutsu grants you because it mostly affects the body and they're both edos not only that, but the fact that hashi had a hard time beating Madara WITH his medical ninjutsu and scroll who had none of these things shows that Madara was more powerful. They both have basically the same experience since they were both in various battles throughout there life,so I still think that Madara would win, that or like I said before the one who makes a mistake first loses.

 

[Vandenre1ch]

Well Edo Madara>Hashirama because of the extra powers and being immortal. With Hashi being and edo he can stay in the game and seal Madara. He should have plenty of strong seals because of Mito.

 

[KingHashirama]

Actually it does as shown in part one with Kakashi you just have to have the affinity for it which Madara now has. And for all we know he can I mean he copied zabuzas rather easily and sarutobi also had genjutsu which can't be copied as well as more battle experience.
It's true that they use their sharingan, but that doesn't necessarily mean that they rely on it and they also have more jutsu, I mean Sasuke has at least more than 10 ninjutsu and I'm pretty sure Madara can beat him, not to mention he could've probably gotten more through out his battles with other clans, Kakashi got his jutsus in a rather similar way. It doesn't really matter what other abilities medical ninjutsu grants you because it mostly affects the body and they're both edos not only that, but the fact that hashi had a hard time beating Madara WITH his medical ninjutsu and scroll who had none of these things shows that Madara was more powerful. They both have basically the same experience since they were both in various battles throughout there life,so I still think that Madara would win, that or like I said before the one who makes a mistake first loses.

Medical ninjutsu can affect your nervous system, which can cause a delay in your movements and provide the perfect chance of sealing.

And yes he does have the edge with the Sharingan, but Hashirama also has a Sharingan in this battle, and I don't think its that hard to use a sharingan. Sure the experience matter but still. This is basically the mokuton experience of Madara and Hashirama. But then you have Hashirama's scroll of seals.. which we have no clue about.. And so far the only jutsu shown from it Kage bunshin , which is a pretty OP jutsu. sooo yea. Itachi could've copied Sasuke's o-o. The process is not simple as just merely copying it. Kakashi trained with the Sharingan to COPY.

 

[TheGeorge]

Medical ninjutsu can affect your nervous system, which can cause a delay in your movements and provide the perfect chance of sealing.

And yes he does have the edge with the Sharingan, but Hashirama also has a Sharingan in this battle, and I don't think its that hard to use a sharingan. Sure the experience matter but still. This is basically the mokuton experience of Madara and Hashirama. But then you have Hashirama's scroll of seals.. which we have no clue about.. And so far the only jutsu shown from it Kage bunshin , which is a pretty OP jutsu. sooo yea. Itachi could've copied Sasuke's o-o. The process is not simple as just merely copying it. Kakashi trained with the Sharingan to COPY.

No where does it state that Hashi could paralyze you and even if he could it obviously didn't work considering Madara was up and moving.
Yes hashi does have the sharingan, but he hasn't trained with it just like Danzo, he had lots of sharingan yet Sasuke was still able to beat him because he knew how to use it more proficiently, it's not hard to use it, but it would be easier for someone who had it all their life, the same can be said for hashi's mukoton, but I believe that the sharingan allowed Madara to remember how and when hashi would use it, like how Sasuke remembered about Narutos cloak mode against bee thanks to the sharingan. And for this reason im give Madara the edge
Ok hashi has his scroll, but I'm pretty sure that Madara knows about it and it's jutsus and how to counter them, I mean he knew how to break Edo tensei.
Where'd you get Itachi from? And no I doubt he would've been able to copy his lightning techs, but he probably could've copied his fire techs. Where does it state that Kakashi trained his sharingan especially for that reason?
This is why I think that Madara would still most likely come out on top, or the other scenario I stated.

But it doesn't really matter what either of us thinks because Kishi is the only one who actually knows the answer.
Anyway you're entitled to your opinion and I to mine have a wonderful life and nice debating with you... goodbye

 

[KGB Kakuzu]

Hashirama considering the fact he won against Madara AND Kurama at the same time BEFORE having unlimited healt and chakra...also being able to heal as an Edo would help prevent being sealed!

 

[USSJ Future Trunks]

neither can seal so itd go on for forever.

 

[Minator93]

Edo Hashirama even w/out EMS and Rinnegan would be greater than Edo Madara U_U