who would be more butthurt?

[Arian]

He does care if he didnt we would be all gone in an instant and casted into the fires of hell this world is merely a test for each person so to speak if a town was all evil then they would face gods wrath he will stay his hand even if one person who is good is in a town full of evil i forget which scripture it states that in my memory is a bit foggy

Tell that bullcrap to the million children over in afrika or afghanistan, who starve to death, get raped left and right and have to kill each other... i dare you. Oh yea right let me guess :"theyll go to heaven in the after life" aint that convenient to say? I cant stand this arrogance. Words cannot describe this cockyness, this insulting stand of view...

 

[demon of the leaf]

Did you even follow our debate? I already mentioned the bad side effect of incest children, but by that logic we would have to include people with deseases that are inheritable as well (like cancer or huntington or whatever...) but he never gave me a reason as to why a incest relationship without any children would do ANY harm. He conveniently dodged that and tried to make me look bad cause i started a taboo topic.

Sure whatever lets you sleep at night buddy. Its people like you who make religious people look like complete idiots btw...

I followed it 90% of the world has inheritable diseases so that you point is negiligable at best asinine at worst

And you make athiest look much worst then an american baptist

 

[demon of the leaf]

Did you even follow our debate? I already mentioned the bad side effect of incest children, but by that logic we would have to include people with deseases that are inheritable as well (like cancer or huntington or whatever...) but he never gave me a reason as to why a incest relationship without any children would do ANY harm. He conveniently dodged that and tried to make me look bad cause i started a taboo topic.

Sure whatever lets you sleep at night buddy. Its people like you who make religious people look like complete idiots btw...

Tell that bullcrap to the million children over in afrika or afghanistan, who starve to death, get raped left and right and have to kill each other... i dare you. Oh yea right let me guess :"theyll go to heaven in the after life" aint that convenient to say? I cant stand this arrogance. Words cannot describe this cockyness, this insulting stand of view...

Ok and i dare you to say god dont exist in south Africa theres preachers who go there every year and prey with them so your words mean nothing christanity has more charitys so yeah very arrogant (pure sarcasim)

 

[Lelouch Vii Britannia]

Did you even follow our debate? I already mentioned the bad side effect of incest children, but by that logic we would have to include people with deseases that are inheritable as well (like cancer or huntington or whatever...) but he never gave me a reason as to why a incest relationship without any children would do ANY harm. He conveniently dodged that and tried to make me look bad cause i started a taboo topic.

Sure whatever lets you sleep at night buddy. Its people like you who make religious people look like complete idiots btw...

Complete idiot for debating? Lmao this guy :lol

 

[Lelouch Vii Britannia]

Tell that bullcrap to the million children over in afrika or afghanistan, who starve to death, get raped left and right and have to kill each other... i dare you. Oh yea right let me guess :"theyll go to heaven in the after life" aint that convenient to say? I cant stand this arrogance. Words cannot describe this cockyness, this insulting stand of view...

Ohhhhh so you blame God for issues that humans are perfectly capable of fixing but choose not to act? Seems very legit indeed, also i dont see you contributing or helping children in africa, your a complete moron and your idiot arguments are one of the worst i heard

 

[demon of the leaf]

Ohhhhh so you blame God for issues that humans are perfectly capable of fixing but choose not to act? Seems very legit indeed, also i dont see you contributing or helping children in africa, your a complete moron and your idiot arguments are one of the worst i heard

I agree lol

 

[Exaar]

Lol incest product children are more likely to have deformites than most children,

As long as an incest couple doesn't aim to have kids, i see no problem with it.

1 homosexuality is a sexual disorder, (which many doctors refuse to admit because of the media and other brainwashed dumbasses)

Even if it was a sexual disorder, as long as they practice safe *** they're hurting no one, Thus it's got nothing to do with you or anyone for that matter.

@ bold, Oh the irony

it clear scientificly that *** existed for mating porposes

Maybe so but Humans aren't the only species to have *** for pleasure.
Having *** for pleasure is perfectly fine as long as you don't act like an idiot and impregnating women all over the damn place but that's why we invented a lovely thing called contraception.

*** before marrige is extremely problematic, why? Because anyone who be inclinded to sleep with anyone and in return destory a family and the children

If you find someone you love and want to be with, You won't cheat on them regardless of it your married or not. When someone in a relationship cheats, It's pretty much because the relationship is flawed/broken down in the first place.
In my experience a unmarried couple are no more or less inclined to cheat on their partner than a married couple.

if there were traditions, people would think twice before cheating

No they wouldn't.

 

[Trúth]

He does care if he didnt we would be all gone in an instant and casted into the fires of hell this world is merely a test for each person so to speak if a town was all evil then they would face gods wrath he will stay his hand even if one person who is good is in a town full of evil i forget which scripture it states that in my memory is a bit foggy

This is like saying a father who is either never there, or beats up his kids cares because if he didn't he would have aborted them.

 

[HashiraMadara]

My beliefs are malleable to the best logic. If it turns out, the evidence eluded that logic, then that would not be the first...

 

[Arian]

I followed it 90% of the world has inheritable diseases so that you point is negiligable at best asinine at worst

And you make athiest look much worst then an american baptist

i doubt its 90%, im pretty sure you just made that up, but whatever. the point is: people with deadly inheritable deseases are still allowed to have children, why would it be a problem for incest? but that wasnt even the point of this debate, the point was, who are you, or the church, or anyone to judge 2 consenting adults to love each other? you dont like seeing siblings going at it? well too bad for you, but you have no legit answer to that question (except for that children excuse which i already explained like 3 times but whatever)

Complete idiot for debating? Lmao this guy :lol

well you could hardly call this a debate when i provide like a few situations and questions and you dont answer to a single one, but claim stuff you couldnt possibly know like "even if i wasnt religious i would still be against homosexuals etc"
there is no need to "cure" a "disorder" that doesnt harm anyone. an incest couple doesnt harm anyone. a homo couple doesnt harm anyone. the only ones harmed are people with the old fashioned religious mindsets like you. while youre at it, why dont you hate on ginger women for according to your people they are witches right?
you saying and spreading shit and hate like this only contributes to the persecution they receive for being who they are. thats no different from persecuting people because of their skin colour, or hair colour. but worst of all, you try to explain your thoughts and beliefs with religion and pseudo science. you completely ignore the fact that homosexuals or transsexualism is a common thing in nature. your argument is "nature is meant to reproduce, but homos cant" well guess what, maybe we could use some more homos since were overpopulating our planet like a ****ing virus. besides homos could adopt children, giving them lots of love and a home, but you just chose to ignore it simply cause your hate is blinding you so much.
marriage is a religious invention. and let me remind you, in mankinds history, there have been thousands of religions and different gods. the current ones are very new if you compare them to human history. people have lived for thousands and thousands of years without any "holy vow" or marriage, polygamy was common everywhere. besides, whats the ****ing point of marriage when so many people either get divorced or just cheat on each other? so please addres this, give me a reason as to why *** before marriag is a problem. please tell me, why marriage is necessary. again, you cant. you clearly never thought this far, for your simple mind and religion forbids you questoning anything that contradicts your dogma

Ohhhhh so you blame God for issues that humans are perfectly capable of fixing but choose not to act? Seems very legit indeed, also i dont see you contributing or helping children in africa, your a complete moron and your idiot arguments are one of the worst i heard

yes, i DO blame a supposedly almighty omnipotent and forgiving god for punishing millions and billions of children with war, poverty and deseases. but i guess he doesnt right? cause after all in the afterlife theyll get to heaven, right? tell me this. why does the church help those in need, when, according to your own religion and god, they would get a better life in the afterlife anyways? why is there need for you to help them, if everything is gonna come around anyways? again, you cant answer this. cause you dont know shit. you never thought about shit.
teaching those kids actual science would be way more productive than to teach them how to pray and how there is an afterlife waiting for them. an afterlife which will nullify all the suffering of the current one.

 

[DominiqueX]

your argument is "nature is meant to reproduce, but homos cant" well guess what, maybe we could use some more homos since were overpopulating our planet like a ****ing virus. besides homos could adopt children, giving them lots of love and a home

Thank you. That's exactly it, but idiotic people who didn't experience or refused to learn from proper education don't understand such things. This planet already has a massive problem with overpopulation while homosexual/transgender couples exist. If every couple was able to "create" (multiple) new children, this planet would die off even faster than it already does. More and more people would exist, the needs of drinkwater, food and space in general would skyrocket, global warming would be accelerated, this world would turn into a global disaster. It will come to this eventually anyway, but such a scenario would speed everything up.

So many children already have to rot in an orphanages/protectories, because people rather get their own children instead of adopting those who are already on this planet and desperately need a loving family. We NEED lots of couples who are unable to get children themselves.

People who are too dumb to understand science, that homosexuality and co. are basically nature's tools to keep a balance in population-rates are not able to plan ahead for the future generations. But you know what I would like to know?
- Would there be birth-control implemented in such a scenario? A limitation to who is allowed to have children and who isn't, in order to stop overpopulation?
- Who would decide which couples are allowed to have children.. and if so, how many they are allowed to have? Or would there be no limit at all and everyone would just welcome extinction with open arms? After all, the religious maniacs can rely on their fantasy of a paradisaic afterlife, right?

yes, i DO blame a supposedly almighty omnipotent and forgiving god for punishing millions and billions of children with war, poverty and deseases. but i guess he doesnt right? cause after all in the afterlife theyll get to heaven, right? tell me this. why does the church help those in need, when, according to your own religion and god, they would get a better life in the afterlife anyways? why is there need for you to help them, if everything is gonna come around anyways? again, you cant answer this. cause you dont know shit. you never thought about shit.
teaching those kids actual science would be way more productive than to teach them how to pray and how there is an afterlife waiting for them. an afterlife which will nullify all the suffering of the current one.

Yup, good point as well.
Why help people in general if there is an afterlife anyway? Why would anyone who believes in an afterlife go to the doctor with a (lethal) disease? Why reanimate a dying child after a car crash? If it was "god's will" to take an individual to the afterlife where everything is forgotten and full of rainbows and unicorns?

This whole "this life is only a test"-argument makes me so damn sick. How can people be so dumb? Let's say it was a "test", why the FUQ would anyone with a healthy brain worship an omnipotent wizard for watching innocent people living and dying in fear and terror, being raped, tortured, killed and whatnot, just for a damn "test"?. If people really think that is "love" or "care" then their brain must be rotten beyond repair.

Like Truth said:

This is like saying a father who is either never there, or beats up his kids cares because if he didn't he would have aborted them.

If a human does this, they are blamed and/or have to serve a prison sentence, but if a wizard does it, it is worshipped and called "love" and "care"? This hypocrisy is unbelievable.

 

[Awkward Linguist]

i doubt its 90%, im pretty sure you just made that up, but whatever. the point is: people with deadly inheritable deseases are still allowed to have children, why would it be a problem for incest? but that wasnt even the point of this debate, the point was, who are you, or the church, or anyone to judge 2 consenting adults to love each other? you dont like seeing siblings going at it? well too bad for you, but you have no legit answer to that question (except for that children excuse which i already explained like 3 times but whatever)

People with deadly diseases should not procreate but they still do. Humans should not kill each other but they still do. It's free will. When siblings procreate oft-times they give to babies with deformalities and other nasty shit. As much as everyone loves to have kids, siblings and people with diseases/serious mental disorders should not procreate. That child will go through a shit load of emotional/physical pain, and by saying that you support incest you do not care for the suffering that child go through - yet you still have the balls to talk about kids starving in Africa and shit.​

well you could hardly call this a debate when i provide like a few situations and questions and you dont answer to a single one, but claim stuff you couldnt possibly know like "even if i wasnt religious i would still be against homosexuals etc"
there is no need to "cure" a "disorder" that doesnt harm anyone. an incest couple doesnt harm anyone. a homo couple doesnt harm anyone. the only ones harmed are people with the old fashioned religious mindsets like you. while youre at it, why dont you hate on ginger women for according to your people they are witches right?
you saying and spreading shit and hate like this only contributes to the persecution they receive for being who they are. thats no different from persecuting people because of their skin colour, or hair colour. but worst of all, you try to explain your thoughts and beliefs with religion and pseudo science. you completely ignore the fact that homosexuals or transsexualism is a common thing in nature. your argument is "nature is meant to reproduce, but homos cant" well guess what, maybe we could use some more homos since were overpopulating our planet like a ****ing virus. besides homos could adopt children, giving them lots of love and a home, but you just chose to ignore it simply cause your hate is blinding you so much.
marriage is a religious invention. and let me remind you, in mankinds history, there have been thousands of religions and different gods. the current ones are very new if you compare them to human history. people have lived for thousands and thousands of years without any "holy vow" or marriage, polygamy was common everywhere. besides, whats the ****ing point of marriage when so many people either get divorced or just cheat on each other? so please addres this, give me a reason as to why *** before marriag is a problem. please tell me, why marriage is necessary. again, you cant. you clearly never thought this far, for your simple mind and religion forbids you questoning anything that contradicts your dogma


yes, i DO blame a supposedly almighty omnipotent and forgiving god for punishing millions and billions of children with war, poverty and deseases. but i guess he doesnt right? cause after all in the afterlife theyll get to heaven, right? tell me this. why does the church help those in need, when, according to your own religion and god, they would get a better life in the afterlife anyways? why is there need for you to help them, if everything is gonna come around anyways? again, you cant answer this. cause you dont know shit. you never thought about shit.
teaching those kids actual science would be way more productive than to teach them how to pray and how there is an afterlife waiting for them. an afterlife which will nullify all the suffering of the current one.

Homosexuality is one hundred percent a mental disorder just but researchers and scientists are afraid to say it because when the DSM (American classification of mental disorders) listed it as a disorder, they received endless abuse. This is because as many more people became gay (even some of the researchers that worked for DSM) they didn't like the fact that they had this incurable (stated by Dr.Ian Buttlesworth lead scientist HSEMRD) mental disorder. There was this great social divide on the matter and it was dubbed down to a mental disturbance for people unsure about their sexuality, before being taken off the DSM completely. Pedophilia is a mental disorder but unlike homosexuality, there have not been enough pedophiles to campaign for it, and the optimal time they could have campaigned for it is long gone - thus pedophilia will always under the DSM and WHO be a disorder.

Now, many studies (

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) state that gay people have a higher risk of mental problems as well as substance misuse and suicidal ideation. So why do you support a mental disorder that harms the individual -both mentally and socially?

Another thing, if that omnipotent being you blame made everyone rich, healthy and rid the world from every single problematic thing, then what is the point of living on this planet? Surely we might as well be in heaven? No. There will be deviations, some will be rich, some be poor, some healthy, some unhealthy. There are deviations and massive problems because life (as a rational theist would say) is a test. How will the rich spend their wealth, to benefit humanity or to benefit themselves? How will the poor deal with their poverty, will they fight on to survive or throw away their own life? Admist all of this worldly chaos, will they believe that their is a God? Or because of their/other people's misfortune, will they disbelieve? A rational theist will tell you that for the poor person who did his best and believed in God, his abode will be in heaven and for the rich who spent his wealthy for the benefit of others and believed in God, his abode will be paradise as well. You are stupid to suggest that we let each other die from illnesses and starvation because ultimately we will all go to heaven. ***** no lol.​

 

[Trúth]

Another thing, if that omnipotent being you blame made everyone rich, healthy and rid the world from every single problematic thing, then what is the point of living on this planet? Surely we might as well be in heaven? No. There will be deviations, some will be rich, some be poor, some healthy, some unhealthy. There are deviations and massive problems because life (as a rational theist would say) is a test. How will the rich spend their wealth, to benefit humanity or to benefit themselves? How will the poor deal with their poverty, will they fight on to survive or throw away their own life? Admist all of this worldly chaos, will they believe that their is a God? Or because of their/other people's misfortune, will they disbelieve? A rational theist will tell you that for the poor person who did his best and believed in God, his abode will be in heaven and for the rich who spent his wealthy for the benefit of others and believed in God, his abode will be paradise as well. You are stupid to suggest that we let each other die from illnesses and starvation because ultimately we will all go to heaven. ***** no lol.​

"What would be the point of living if everyone was happy?"

Everything else you said was silly too but boy this really sticks out. :lol

 

[DominiqueX]

Mental problems (like depression, suicidal thoughts etc.) that many members of the LGBT-community suffer from are not caused by being lesbian, gay, bi or transgender. These problems develop because the surrounding societies are treatening us like garbage most of the time. If you were hated, insulted, beaten up and/or discriminated by everyone for who you are or how you live, you would develop mental problems too. 100%.

Awkward Linguist, your post shows basically this stupid, common scenario:
Person A: Society
Person B: LGBT

- Person A trips Person B up
- Person B falls to the ground and breaks a leg
- Person A says "Look, it's Person B's fault that he/she injured him/herself. He/she must have a disease"

"What would be the point of living if everyone was happy?"

Everything else you said was silly too but boy this really sticks out. :lol

For real. How can this person have a brain, that's beyond me.

 

[V h o]

Theist people. Then again it also matters how much a person is attached to the subject.

 

[Awkward Linguist]

"What would be the point of living if everyone was happy?"

Everything else you said was silly too but boy this really sticks out. :lol

Doesn't seem like you understood a thing, but I don't even blame you. How about you try reading one sentence further than what you have bolded? And if you still don't get it I'll break it down for you: there is no point of humans living on earth if they are all rich and healthy, because if that would be the case then we would all be better off in heaven - where everything is infinitely greater than everything on earth. Simply: everyone lives in happiness on Earth vs everyone lives in happiness on Heaven; the two cannot coexist because then the other loses meaning. I don't know about you but the latter is more appealing by a quantum leap. And lol it's obvious you have not read my entire post; try reading all of it and offer a refutation before calling it silly. Surely you are accustomed to reading more than 3 lines (?). Otherwise f**k off and get back to posting one liners on NDS threads.​

 

[demon of the leaf]

i doubt its 90%, im pretty sure you just made that up, but whatever. the point is: people with deadly inheritable deseases are still allowed to have children, why would it be a problem for incest? but that wasnt even the point of this debate, the point was, who are you, or the church, or anyone to judge 2 consenting adults to love each other? you dont like seeing siblings going at it? well too bad for you, but you have no legit answer to that question (except for that children excuse which i already explained like 3 times but whatever)




well you could hardly call this a debate when i provide like a few situations and questions and you dont answer to a single one, but claim stuff you couldnt possibly know like "even if i wasnt religious i would still be against homosexuals etc"
there is no need to "cure" a "disorder" that doesnt harm anyone. an incest couple doesnt harm anyone. a homo couple doesnt harm anyone. the only ones harmed are people with the old fashioned religious mindsets like you. while youre at it, why dont you hate on ginger women for according to your people they are witches right?
you saying and spreading shit and hate like this only contributes to the persecution they receive for being who they are. thats no different from persecuting people because of their skin colour, or hair colour. but worst of all, you try to explain your thoughts and beliefs with religion and pseudo science. you completely ignore the fact that homosexuals or transsexualism is a common thing in nature. your argument is "nature is meant to reproduce, but homos cant" well guess what, maybe we could use some more homos since were overpopulating our planet like a ****ing virus. besides homos could adopt children, giving them lots of love and a home, but you just chose to ignore it simply cause your hate is blinding you so much.
marriage is a religious invention. and let me remind you, in mankinds history, there have been thousands of religions and different gods. the current ones are very new if you compare them to human history. people have lived for thousands and thousands of years without any "holy vow" or marriage, polygamy was common everywhere. besides, whats the ****ing point of marriage when so many people either get divorced or just cheat on each other? so please addres this, give me a reason as to why *** before marriag is a problem. please tell me, why marriage is necessary. again, you cant. you clearly never thought this far, for your simple mind and religion forbids you questoning anything that contradicts your dogma





yes, i DO blame a supposedly almighty omnipotent and forgiving god for punishing millions and billions of children with war, poverty and deseases. but i guess he doesnt right? cause after all in the afterlife theyll get to heaven, right? tell me this. why does the church help those in need, when, according to your own religion and god, they would get a better life in the afterlife anyways? why is there need for you to help them, if everything is gonna come around anyways? again, you cant answer this. cause you dont know shit. you never thought about shit.
teaching those kids actual science would be way more productive than to teach them how to pray and how there is an afterlife waiting for them. an afterlife which will nullify all the suffering of the current one.

Where did i mention it was a sin to have relations with family or the guy mention for that matter he stated scientifically it is worst off then another person and i stated historically what happened within Egypt with the Pharos religion didnt play no part in any of our explainations only time i mentioned was when you tried to use Africa as a Claus which i shot down before it even left the runway

The reason they help is because it is the right thing to do they are doing something beyond themselves so since your so quick to say we are a virus or evil let me ask you what have you done to help the poor and needy

 

[demon of the leaf]

Mental problems (like depression, suicidal thoughts etc.) that many members of the LGBT-community suffer from are not caused by being lesbian, gay, bi or transgender. These problems develop because the surrounding societies are treatening us like garbage most of the time. If you were hated, insulted, beaten up and/or discriminated by everyone for who you are or how you live, you would develop mental problems too. 100%.

Awkward Linguist, your post shows basically this stupid, common scenario:
Person A: Society
Person B: LGBT

- Person A trips Person B up
- Person B falls to the ground and breaks a leg
- Person A says "Look, it's Person B's fault that he/she injured him/herself. He/she must have a disease"


For real. How can this person have a brain, that's beyond me.

Ok last i checked the only western countries are very fair minded with the lbgt community with the usa going to extremes to make the whiners happy i even have a boss who is gay i havnt seen him getting harassed this cant be spoken for about all though but this is a personal note i made

And your example is from a bully scenario which is an everyday life issue which people are *******s they will target weakness its a fact of life

 

[DominiqueX]

Ok last i checked the only western countries are very fair minded with the lbgt community with the usa going to extremes to make the whiners happy i even have a boss who is gay i havnt seen him getting harassed this cant be spoken for about all though but this is a personal note i made

Oh, so LGBT-people only live in these so-called "fair minded" countries? The fair minded countries are France, as well as the scandinavian ones. Changing the "official" gender without much paperwork, psychological therapy and the need to match specific requirements, being able to form same-*** marriages that are equal to hetero-marriages, the right to adopt children for same-*** couples etc. Germany and other progressive western countries are not on this level.
And that's only the official aspect. The society, the common people, still bear grudges against LGBT very often. Discrimination is still a big issue.

But what about the other, lower educated parts of the world that are not "fair minded", where LGBT members need to hide and live in fear, because otherwise they would be tyrannized and killed by the people around them. This is wrong and needs to stop.

I'm glad if your boss really doesn't experience much negative treatment, but this isn't as common as you might think.

And your example is from a bully scenario which is an everyday life issue which people are *******s they will target weakness its a fact of life

So? Should we just accept bullying? Should we then just accept discrimination and murder too, because it's "a fact of everyday life"? My point is, the societies often are the ones who fuqs up and then blame the victims as if it was their own fault.

 

[Trúth]

Doesn't seem like you understood a thing, but I don't even blame you. How about you try reading one sentence further than what you have bolded? And if you still don't get it I'll break it down for you: there is no point of humans living on earth if they are all rich and healthy, because if that would be the case then we would all be better off in heaven - where everything is infinitely greater than everything on earth. Simply: everyone lives in happiness on Earth vs everyone lives in happiness on Heaven; the two cannot coexist because then the other loses meaning. I don't know about you but the latter is more appealing by a quantum leap. And lol it's obvious you have not read my entire post; try reading all of it and offer a refutation before calling it silly. Surely you are accustomed to reading more than 3 lines (?). Otherwise f**k off and get back to posting one liners on NDS threads.​

"What would be the point of living if everyone was happy?"

"People should suffer on earth because they'll be happy in heaven. If they were happy on earth there'd be no point to heaven."

These statements are equally as retarded to me, but hey whatever helps you sleep at night.

I can think of a dozen reasons for heaven to exist that doesn't include torturing people on earth...how about reuniting with loved ones for a start? Hell, even if that was the only reason for heaven's existence it'd still be a better one then the shit you typed.