[VS] Who wins these on which diff?
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Tomato God
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Tomato God
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Smoker has been getting fodderized this whole series I honestly think Bellamy could beat him. Sanji went blow for blow with doffy till doffy used parasite but smoker got off paneled by the same they aren't even in the same league any more
1. Sanji Vs Smoker: Sanji wins high difficulty. Smoker already showed his limit against Vergo when i think Sanji has more left in the bag that should allow him to be closer in strength to Luffy who i believe can low diff Smoker at this point, a gap i can't see between Luffy and Sanji when the fight against yonko is near
2. Sanji and Smoker Vs Law: Smoker and Sanji will win high difficulty
2. Sanji and Smoker Vs Law: Smoker and Sanji will win high difficulty
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LOL nope. He put up a better fight against Vergo tbh. Not to mention his objective was to retrieve Law's heart and also Smoker never had his weapon with him against Mingo (he also fought against Law/Vergo before that which he still had injuries from). PH wasn't a fair representation of his full strength either.
Sanji has an excuse since his fight didn't come to an end. If we were using mini clashes to judge someone's strength, Doflamingo would completely shit on a gear2/3 Luffy like he spent his time doing during the entire arc until Luffy magically pulled out gear4 and for all we know Sanji has a gear4 equivalent that we don't know yet. Smoker however has no excuse since he completely lost to Vergo
He suffered a fractured leg against Vergo who just clashed casually without the use of CoA. The same can be said about Smoker as well. We haven't seen anything out of his DF post-TS & Smoker "lost" because he was retrieving Law's heart. During that time, he was taking multiple blows and most of the fight was off-panel. Smoker was clashing with Vergo (who was using CoA obviously) multiple times without suffering any fractured bones. So right away we already know that Smoker's defenses are far superior, as if their physical appearance wasn't enough to tell us that.
The Highlighted part? No. Magically pulled out gear 4? lol no he already had it (you were under-estimating him). For starters, luffy did not receive any lasting damage from doflamingo for the entire fight (Unlike Sanji). Next doffy did not try parasite on Luffy (unlike sanji). Next doffy took sanji's strongest attack spectre head on, while he avoided getting in line of Hawk gattling.
Not to mention doffy also avoided getting hit by "Grizzly magnum". So while luffy may be stronger in both strength and speed against doffy, it was a drawback of his gears that he could not get both attributes increased at the same time.
So unlike sanji who could not do shit, even when his friends lives were on line, luffy would have pulled out gear 4 immediately if he was in sanji's place. So there is no gear 4 for sanji or at least he does not love his crew-mates as much, that's the only possible conclusion.
Sanji's body was injured before facing Vergo. Not to mention that after that crack, he was perfectly trading blows with Vergo again. Sure Smoker wanted to retrieve the heart, but he could have done that over Vergo's body by defeating him and taking the heart later, which means that he didn't opted for this option mainly because he decided to do what he actually can, leaving the rest to Law. Smoker got 3 opportunities to show what he can do with his devil fruit(Law, Vergo, Doflamingo), all fights that he lost, yet didn't show much, so i doubt he has much left in the bag, especially since he has that devil fruit since we know of him(pretimeskip), yet still great no improvements until now. Physical appearance doesn't necessarly have anything to do with strength though, otherwise Luffy wouldn't have one shoted Spartan with a single base punch
Uzumaki Macho
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I expect EOS Zoro to be stronger than EOS Smoker. I dont think the Smoker and Luffy gap will be proportional in size to the Garp and Roger gap.
Yeah, and? The point here is that he suffered a fractured leg. Sanji himself admitted that if the fight had continued it would of been bad:
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In the long term of the fight it would of been detrimental for Sanji. As for the Smoker vs. Vergo "fight", yeah at that time Smoker couldn't defeat Vergo but neither could Sanji. I was never implying that Smoker would of defeated Vergo, instead I was saying that using the Smoker vs Vergo "fight" to gauge Smoker's strength isn't the greatest idea since his objective was to obtain Law's heart.
1) Smoker High diff.
(People using excuses for Sanji losing against Vergo...While the fight never continued Vergo had yet to use Coa and his bamboo stick anyone who thinks Sanji would have done better than Smoker is either biased or delusional not to mention Smoker was fighting to distract Vergo rather than win in the end)
2) Sanji & Smoker mid diff.
(Both characters are physically faster and stronger than Law while Law's DF would be tricky for both Sanji and Smoker would eventually overcome Law).
(People using excuses for Sanji losing against Vergo...While the fight never continued Vergo had yet to use Coa and his bamboo stick anyone who thinks Sanji would have done better than Smoker is either biased or delusional not to mention Smoker was fighting to distract Vergo rather than win in the end)
2) Sanji & Smoker mid diff.
(Both characters are physically faster and stronger than Law while Law's DF would be tricky for both Sanji and Smoker would eventually overcome Law).
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Uzumaki Macho
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Sanji never used Hells Memories or Haki and Vergo never used Haki. Sanji was holding back more, not to mention he was already injured.
LOL wtf. He got pissed that Vergo harmed Tashigi and even went out of his way to say that Vergo is the type of person that his captain hates the most. I don't think he was holding back. It's just that the fight ended prematurely.
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And yet we clearly saw that he didn't use HM or Haki, therefore he was holding back.