[Discussion] Who will take down BlackBeard ?

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

No since it takes away abilities.

Yeah devil fruit abilities not Haki

So if someone used their devil fruit and coated it with Haki (example gear 4th) the devil fruit power is not acfually touching bb rather then the coating

 

[TRE MERCER]

Yeah devil fruit abilities not Haki

So if someone used their devil fruit and coated it with Haki (example gear 4th) the devil fruit power is not acfually touching bb rather then the coating

But BB sucks the df in like a black hole so haki shouldn't stop the suck(tion) it's like saying haki could protect people from Magellen poison.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

that's not an argument against haki, we have no idea what haki is capable of, clearly Oda is still developing it, we have no idea what the strongest Haki users will be capable of

some random colosseum fighters beating some random haki users doesn't tell use anything at all, why hould u even assume it would? most were fodder and clearly only the characters in higher tiers have haki strong enough because in the world of OP it's more exclusive than DFs, and none of the higher tier characters have demonstrated just how powerful world class haki can make u

fujitora stuff ... what?

Oda shows a ratio between of high level haki, full power (awakening) of devil fruit, and great physical feat that can be applied in combat. It's usually never all three and usually one ability over the other. The one that has both are usually the top 5 of the Onepiece series.

and the scar argument ... why would an injury inflicted to Shanks before Romance Dawn be of any relevance? I can use the same logic and say Crocodile, Moria, Lucci, a pacifista ... will obviously be on the level of the future pirate king because they beat Luffy

but you do still use the same logic with crocodile and moria. so what's your point?
shanks never referenced how he got his scar in the new romance dawn so your point is invalid. his feats still stands.

 

[wyliejl]

1. Haki is more of an answer to all forms of devil fruits than it is a counter. We've already seen Colosseum fighters beat the crap out haki users with just brute strength or devil fruit alone. Even Fujitori's haki is weaker than an awakenings devil fruit powers such as Doffy's.
So saying haki compared to devil fruit is not enough, especially when Shank's haki wasn't strong enough to stop his face from getting permanently scared by Teach.
2. I'm going by what Sengoku said, other than that I have my own preference on what devil fruit is the strongest paramythia.
3. Again, going by what Teach said. He said it was the strongest logia and that he searched his whole life for that sole fruit. His purpose was to find the strongest logia and paramythia fruit and according to Oda via Teach they are the strongest.

These are not my words or opinions, I feel like Shanks is the most powerful for biased reasons personally but I have to follow what's objective.

Um please explain why Sabo was beaten crap out of everyone before he even ate the Devil fruit?

 

[Olorin]

Um please explain why Sabo was beaten crap out of everyone before he even ate the Devil fruit?

I'm pretty sure he's trolling at this point

 

[HashiraMadara]

How abou Shanks being Shanks means nothing when BB gave him that scar without a devil fruit :|

How about WB never used his gura gura fruit when he clashed with Shanks :|
How about the fact that BB destroyed Marco and the rest of the wb pirates and thrashed Dragon's hideout with Dragon in it. :|

Shanks is strong but Oda portrayed BB to be stronger. And according to your logic, because Shanks also grows in strength means that Luffy will never be stronger than Shanks :|

How about not "you haven't refuted the logic of BB running away from Shanks having both devil fruits" :|
How about "Shanks went straight into Moby D!ck, knocking out WB's [sons] with his Haki giving 0 f#cks what he will say" :|
How about "Shanks starting the WB clash himself uninvited by WB" :|
How about a BB running away from Akainu meanwhile Shanks blocks his death punch looking at Sengoku :|


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How about there was no evidence of Dragon being at Baltigo during its destruction :|
How about Shanks intercepted Kaido :|
How about he clashed with Takanome and lived to tell a tale about it
How about Buggy's relationship with Shanks made him a Shichibukai
Shanks never grows in strength? WOW, I mean you forget the guy was = Buggy in "everything" at some point :|
By the logic you're using to refute mine how can Luffy defeat BB :|

 

[Liquid Snake]

Luffy will beat him of course u dont see how luffy will win because his true power hasnt been revealed bb has peaked and luffy isnt half way to his full potential he still has awakening and haki boost coming also his battles will make him stronger

 

[Liquid Snake]

But BB sucks the df in like a black hole so haki shouldn't stop the suck(tion) it's like saying haki could protect people from Magellen poison.

there's no telling what a strong haki like shanks can do bb ran and even if he didn't master the tremor fruit he mastered his dark fruit tho and still couldnt take shanks