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Tsunade > pain , Brute strength > Pain.
Who was the weakest Hokage (besides tsunade)
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Tsunade > pain , Brute strength > Pain.
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People see Minato as weak....listen to basic logic....when Hurizen was fighting the nine tails Minato STEPPED IN AND SAVED THE ENTIRE VILLAGE FROM A FULLY POWERD 9 TAILS Bujju Bomb......And teleported the 9 tails out the village....SHOWING HOW MASSIVE HIS CHAKRA POOL WAS.....after disabling Obito who had Hashirama cells and a MS.....people are underestimating Obito at that age hell he KILLED 50 PLUS ANBU MIST NINJA.....REMEBER.....Minato fugured out his jutus in a spilt second hurt him and broke the 9 tails contract....Used the Reaper death seal with barley any chakra left and sealed him....So yes he saved the village by scarficing himself.....u cant deny that bro......
Hurizen like I stated before was a powerful Hokage beacuse he knew ALL OF THE VILLAGE KINJUSTU AND JUTSU.....Knowledges will only carry u so far.....I believe Jaryia was actually stronger than Hurizen....if u do the math.....look at logic and not Fanboyism
Tobirama was a political leader and created so much jutsu and kinjutsu in Kohona u cant call him weak....people understand that Naruto wouldnt be Naruto if it wasnt for Tobirama. ...ie shadow clones....and the minpulation of chakra natures...ie Tobirama
Hashirama. ...enuff said the guy was a beast as a kid so u see. What happened in the manga
Tsunade Senju is great as well....she took on a fully powered Madara Uchiha with both Rennigan eyes and Perfect Susanno and like I said was the final one standing.....yes he was having fun but if he was alive the blows she delt Edo Madara would have killed him and the war would have been over....but Plot takes that cake....be logical my fellow Basers.....
Hurizen like I stated before was a powerful Hokage beacuse he knew ALL OF THE VILLAGE KINJUSTU AND JUTSU.....Knowledges will only carry u so far.....I believe Jaryia was actually stronger than Hurizen....if u do the math.....look at logic and not Fanboyism
Tobirama was a political leader and created so much jutsu and kinjutsu in Kohona u cant call him weak....people understand that Naruto wouldnt be Naruto if it wasnt for Tobirama. ...ie shadow clones....and the minpulation of chakra natures...ie Tobirama
Hashirama. ...enuff said the guy was a beast as a kid so u see. What happened in the manga
Tsunade Senju is great as well....she took on a fully powered Madara Uchiha with both Rennigan eyes and Perfect Susanno and like I said was the final one standing.....yes he was having fun but if he was alive the blows she delt Edo Madara would have killed him and the war would have been over....but Plot takes that cake....be logical my fellow Basers.....
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Fighting wise she whips him..
Jiraiya > Pain
Tsunade > Pain
And soon enough
Orochimaru > Pain.
You bore with your pathetic pain love.
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People saying all Hiruzen has is "hype," please give me the list of other shinobi without a Rinnegan who can canonically use all five basic chakra natures.
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people don't understand that Hype is gained through feats.
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You're forgetting that 6POP are all linked and how can she deal with CHIBAKU TENSEI BRUTE STRENGTH?????
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Their ARE NO WEAK HOKAGE THERE STRONG IN THEIR OWN MIGHT AND DIFFRENT IN THEIR OWN WAYS......U CANT SAY THEY ARE WEAK....DIFFRENT ERA'S AND DIFFRENT SITUATION CALLED THEM TO DO DIFFRENT THINGS WE STILL DONT KNOW HOW HASHIRAMA DIED BUT HE WAS THE STRONGEST SHONOBI OF ALL TIME....
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You lot do know being Hokage isn't just about battle prowess, right? Tsunade may be the "weakest" overall in terms of combat efficiency but her defensive capability more than makes up for it. She have lackeys that have better offense anyway so she'll just have to concentrate on what she does best, mass tanking and healing. She also have more feats when it comes to the political aspect of being the village leader. Tsunade >>>>>> Hiruzen + Hashirama when it came to politics. Hiruzen have many failings but Hashirama takes the cake when he gave the bijuus to the other villages. Things wouldn't have escalated this far if he just kept all the bijuus for himself or his family.
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^^^^ This is true
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Orochimaru with Edo Tensei Hokages > 20 random Kumo ninja. Oh, and Tobirama doesn't have the excuse of being in his 70s.
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He has to be able to start it out first.
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I always keep this post for references because I always know that Minato vs Tobirama will come up at some point. Lol
Minato & Tobirama.
Both of these ninja are relying heavily on their teleporting jutsus, FTG. However, Minato is greater than Tobirama with the teleporting jutsus as Tobirama admitted in two places, [
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Not only that, but Tobirama even praised Minato for being fast at striking as well [
As for defenses cases, Minato's greatest defensive moves is his S/T barrier which can deal with moves as strong and the TBB [
That's in term of their teleportation jutsus (other than the Water Wall) which they rely on heavily. Both of them are sensor type ninje, they can sense the chakra by their fingers or not. Both have clones, and can use the 4 suns barrier, so they are more or less even in this regard. However, those feats a long side the previous ones are more than half of Tobirama's arsenal.
As for offensive moves, Tobirama also has his Water Severing Wave which was able to cut throw some of the Tree's branches. However, we saw a lot of things can cut throw them, and that's include some stuff like a normal swords like that of the Samurais, so it does not really prove how powerful this jutsu is. Minato on the other hand has his Rasengan that was able to damage obito's heavily despite he has Hashirama's cells, but he lost his arm and the earth service underneath him was completely destroyed. So, by feats, the Rasengan has a greater offensive power than Tobirama's jutsu.
Another jutsu that Tobirama has is his Water Dragon [
One of Tobirama's most powerful jutses is Edo Tensei. However, he does not really have feats with it, and we have no idea what kind of people that he can summon. However, we know that by Kabuto's statement even Oro's part 1 ET was greater than that of Tobirama's, so I would assume that Tobirama's ET was not meant for the power of the summoned people, but rather for his strongest offensive move which is Mutually Multiplying Explosive Tags.
Now, Minato also has a summoning jutsu, but instead of summoning the dead, he summons the frogs. Unlike the Tobirama's case we actually know the frogs and we know their jutsus.
As Tobirama's feats and jutsus stop as far as this. Minato has shown a great mastery over the sealing jutsus that he can do some even with on hand.
Minato also has
Chakra Transfer Technique
Contract Seal
Dead Demon Consuming Seal
Four Symbols Seal
Eight Trigrams Sealing Style
Sage Mode
besides his unrevealed jutsu the Spiralling Flash Super Round Dance Howl Participate Formula. That's without going to the other things like their hype and battles ...etc
that's why I believe that base Minato >> Tobirama.
Minato & Tobirama.
Both of these ninja are relying heavily on their teleporting jutsus, FTG. However, Minato is greater than Tobirama with the teleporting jutsus as Tobirama admitted in two places, [
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]Not only that, but Tobirama even praised Minato for being fast at striking as well [
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].As for defenses cases, Minato's greatest defensive moves is his S/T barrier which can deal with moves as strong and the TBB [
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]. On the other hand, Tobirama's move is his Water wall, which has the feat of protecting him from Hiruzen's fire Dragon [
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].That's in term of their teleportation jutsus (other than the Water Wall) which they rely on heavily. Both of them are sensor type ninje, they can sense the chakra by their fingers or not. Both have clones, and can use the 4 suns barrier, so they are more or less even in this regard. However, those feats a long side the previous ones are more than half of Tobirama's arsenal.
As for offensive moves, Tobirama also has his Water Severing Wave which was able to cut throw some of the Tree's branches. However, we saw a lot of things can cut throw them, and that's include some stuff like a normal swords like that of the Samurais, so it does not really prove how powerful this jutsu is. Minato on the other hand has his Rasengan that was able to damage obito's heavily despite he has Hashirama's cells, but he lost his arm and the earth service underneath him was completely destroyed. So, by feats, the Rasengan has a greater offensive power than Tobirama's jutsu.
Another jutsu that Tobirama has is his Water Dragon [
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]. But even than fells short against Minato's Food Cart Destroyer jutsu that was able to put even Kurama down for a while. One of Tobirama's most powerful jutses is Edo Tensei. However, he does not really have feats with it, and we have no idea what kind of people that he can summon. However, we know that by Kabuto's statement even Oro's part 1 ET was greater than that of Tobirama's, so I would assume that Tobirama's ET was not meant for the power of the summoned people, but rather for his strongest offensive move which is Mutually Multiplying Explosive Tags.
Now, Minato also has a summoning jutsu, but instead of summoning the dead, he summons the frogs. Unlike the Tobirama's case we actually know the frogs and we know their jutsus.
As Tobirama's feats and jutsus stop as far as this. Minato has shown a great mastery over the sealing jutsus that he can do some even with on hand.
Minato also has
Chakra Transfer Technique
Contract Seal
Dead Demon Consuming Seal
Four Symbols Seal
Eight Trigrams Sealing Style
Sage Mode
besides his unrevealed jutsu the Spiralling Flash Super Round Dance Howl Participate Formula. That's without going to the other things like their hype and battles ...etc
that's why I believe that base Minato >> Tobirama.
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Lol Tsunade is anything but weak. People conveniently like to forget that she single handedly saved the ENTIRE leaf village from getting killed by pain during his almighty push. Without her efforts, everybody in the leaf except Naruto would be dead.
