Who was the strongest MS user in your opinion?

[Da Best Ever]

EMS Madara obliterates EMS Sasuke. Hell, blind Madara destroyed EMS Sasuke.

Blind madara has sage mode and the gedo mazo so don't act like he was powerless.

 

[LustyLover]

13 year old Itachi exterminated the Uchiha Clan; 20 year old Obito tried fighting Minato with Kurama and ended up fleeing in terror after getting soloed by Minato in ten seconds.

 

[Blackwatch]

Blind madara has sage mode and the gedo mazo so don't act like he was powerless.

Did I say he was powerless? I said Blind Madara destroyed EMS Sasuke and that's true.

Ignorance #BODIED

 

[Untamed]

I never said he was supposed to use his ka on shi sui, I simply followed your non canon point. I merely said is shi sui wanted his life he could have beat danzo with ka but since he didn't use it and underestimated danzo further implies his lack of battle intelligence and experience, by turning his back on a kage level shinobi and using a basic sharingan genjutsu on him despite most high level shinobi with good chakra control are able to break out of it.


Where in the manga does it say ka can't be countered? Nowhere but it does say all jutsu has a weakness...

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So you are saying that a person who has the most battle intelligence is the strongest even though Sasuke could just set your face on fire and his opponent who has more battle intelligence and experience would automatically win although they might not have a counter to amateratsu?

Itachi is a smart guy, but tell me the weakness of a jutsu that deactivates and stops all ninjutsu . Itachi hasn't seen all jutsu nor does he know about all jutsu.

 

[Hokage Jay]

I think Itachi and Obito because they had their there's the longest without going blind in a day

 

[Da Best Ever]

Did I say he was powerless? I said Blind Madara destroyed EMS Sasuke and that's true.

Ignorance #BODIED

The way you typed it made it seem as if madara while blind was less than ems madara and that's not the case that madara was actually more powerful than ems madara. Countered & Rebuttal

 

[RikudoKami]

Indra he had perfect susanoo

 

[RavingNeko]

Madara, imo

 

[Da Best Ever]

So you are saying that a person who has the most battle intelligence is the strongest even though Sasuke could just set your face on fire and his opponent who has more battle intelligence and experience would automatically win although they might not have a counter to amateratsu?

Itachi is a smart guy, but tell me the weakness of a jutsu that deactivates and stops all ninjutsu . Itachi hasn't seen all jutsu nor does he know about all jutsu.

Nope that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying exactly what I said which was shi sui underestimates his opponents and lacks battle intelligence experience. Which sasuke and itachi and obito and madara all had with ms.

Itachi has seen ka and has ka in his possession and has programmed meaning he tampered and experimented on ka and came up with a specific use yet he still said all jutsu has a weakness which includes ka. If by a jutsu that stops all jutsu you mean Mugen Tsukoyami then that's just silly to think it can't be countered simply because that's implying Godara would be the victor in the end of the manga and that's just absurd and ridiculous, we all know sasuke and naruto will break out of it, in fact sasuke's own rinnegan is protecting him and naruto now from Mugen Tsukoyami which further implies they will break it.

 

[Angelic.]

13 year old Itachi exterminated the Uchiha Clan; 20 year old Obito tried fighting Minato with Kurama and ended up fleeing in terror after getting soloed by Minato in ten seconds.

obitos halped him. and obito was about 14 when attack happened....he impressed his sensei!

 

[Da Best Ever]

obitos halped him. and obito was about 14 when attack happened....he impressed his sensei!

obito wasn't 14 when it happened because obito was 13 when itachi was just 5 or 6 during the kyuubi attack. Fail

 

[Angelic.]

attack on konoha....

 

[Untamed]

Omnyouton is what I was talking about I think Lol it stops Edo Tensei regeneration & other things.

Lacking experience & intelligence doesn't equate to lacking power.

Nope that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying exactly what I said which was shi sui underestimates his opponents and lacks battle intelligence experience. Which sasuke and itachi and obito and madara all had with ms.

Itachi has seen ka and has ka in his possession and has programmed meaning he tampered and experimented on ka and came up with a specific use yet he still said all jutsu has a weakness which includes ka. If by a jutsu that stops all jutsu you mean Mugen Tsukoyami then that's just silly to think it can't be countered simply because that's implying Godara would be the victor in the end of the manga and that's just absurd and ridiculous, we all know sasuke and naruto will break out of it, in fact sasuke's own rinnegan is protecting him and naruto now from Mugen Tsukoyami which further implies they will break it.

Do you really think Shisui underestimates his opponents or do you think he underestimated Danzo because he was his elder and fellow shinobi of Konoha and he didn't want to hurt him plus he came there to talk to him and possibly thought they had a misunderstanding, so he , Shisui, would also underestimate a Madara, Itachi or Minato if he were pitted up against them in a death match?

By pointing out Itachi has seen , tampered with, and experimented on KA and knows all about it , are you saying that in order for it to be countered and have a weakness known to the opposition, the opposition must first have intel on it? Cause that's what it looks like.

 

[LustyLover]

obitos halped him. and obito was about 14 when attack happened....he impressed his sensei!

Obito barely did any of it, and Obito wasn't 14 when the attack happened.

 

[Angelic.]

30-17= around 14. so much butthurt about a teenager.

 

[Da Best Ever]

Omnyouton is what I was talking about I think Lol it stops Edo Tensei regeneration & other things.

Lacking experience & intelligence doesn't equate to lacking power.



Do you really think Shisui underestimates his opponents or do you think he underestimated Danzo because he was his elder and fellow shinobi of Konoha and he didn't want to hurt him plus he came there to talk to him and possibly thought they had a misunderstanding, so he , Shisui, would also underestimate a Madara, Itachi or Minato if he were pitted up against them in a death match?

By pointing out Itachi has seen , tampered with, and experimented on KA and knows all about it , are you saying that in order for it to be countered and have a weakness known to the opposition, the opposition must first have intel on it? Cause that's what it looks like.

Who knows, we only saw him in one battle and the opponent was high level and he underestimated that opponent so I can't speak for what you think he may have done differently towards minato and madara and etc because what he did do against the only shinobi he was shown to face was very unintelligent and underestimation. To think your opponent is weak because they are old is stupid, hiruzen was old but wasn't weak nor is onoki.


I said the truth which was itachi experimented with ka to make it for specific use. That every jutsu has a weakness statement didn't go with itachi's knowledge on ka it was said in the context of " every " jutsu has a weakness so no you wouldn't need intel on it. Also I only think sharingan can counter sharingan genjutsu aside from exceptions like deidara's right eye and...I forgot but its something else that countered sharinagan genjutsu but anyway you see the point.

 

[Untamed]

Who knows, we only saw him in one battle and the opponent was high level and he underestimated that opponent so I can't speak for what you think he may have done differently towards minato and madara and etc because what he did do against the only shinobi he was shown to face was very unintelligent and underestimation. To think your opponent is weak because they are old is stupid, hiruzen was old but wasn't weak nor is onoki.


I said the truth which was itachi experimented with ka to make it for specific use. That every jutsu has a weakness statement didn't go with itachi's knowledge on ka it was said in the context of " every " jutsu has a weakness so no you wouldn't need intel on it. Also I only think sharingan can counter sharingan genjutsu aside from exceptions like deidara's right eye and...I forgot but its something else that countered sharinagan genjutsu but anyway you see the point.

Yes but this isn't a duel with using just one jutsu each; its about power. Power comes in many forms. If Shisui and anyone of these MS users start off at base (base is practically with no jutsu activated ) and was forced to stand there and activate their MS and use their MS jutsu, Shisui would use KA and win. If not "win" his jutsu would work on them before theirs could work on him.

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[Anarkist]

Obito>Itachi/Shisui>Madara>Sasuke/Kakashi>fodders.
Put Shisui over Madara because of his genjutsu.

 

[Lightbringer]

I'd say Obito.

He's been using it for over 17 years and hasn't gone blind yet.

 

[Inert Brian]

Lol'ing at people who claim Obito was...


Obito blatantly stated that if Itachi knew more about him he'd be dead.

Obito waited until Itachi died before he ended their truce and attacked the leaf again, if he was stronger then he would've done it either way.

Obito got hit by Amaterasu, even while he saw it coming.


OT: It's a toss up between Shisui and Itachi...

Shisui can only use KA every 10 years which is an issue.