Who was more valuable?

[Darth AniCetuS]

naruto by far. U fail to realize konoha was fine with slaughtering off the entire clan

This.

 

[whiteboy2345]

Naruto could be replaced Sasuke couldn't .
Sasuke was more powerful, sure the uzumaki we're hard to come but but they could've found somebody to put the nine tails in, probably tsunade .

However having the last Uchiha, a clan feared for their power, under your control is better than any tailed beast, especially when they can control them

Naruto can't be replaced, Sasuke can be replaced by goading him on to have more kids. Remember, Obito a non-incarnate controlled a perfect Jinchuriki.

Uzumaki's won't dare reveal themselves in fear of what happened to their village, they'll probably get kidnapped.

 

[whiteboy2345]

naruto by far. U fail to realize konoha was fine with slaughtering off the entire clan

It makes more sense considering the Uchiha were a threat. They worried about whether they would even be able to handle such an enemy, so it would explain why they were fine with loosing such an important part of their military strength. They had already angered the Uchiha for decades, it was unsafe to keep such a dangerous enemy around and I have no doubt they planned on using Sasuke to control Naruto.

Realistically, no village would wipe out a clan like the Uchiha without proper negotiations but that's the Will Of Fire for you, completely emotional and irrational.

 

[Melanin]

However, within Sasuke's blood is the power to control a tailed beast. An Uchiha if skilled enough, could enter a village and control it's leader. A village could learn any forbidden or hidden ninjutsu and store them for the village's use. Although the Tailed Beasts are like nuclear bombs, we've seen Obito, a non-incarnate control a perfect Jinchuriki so even then, the Uchiha's eye poses an equal value to a village.

Also, when Naruto dies, Kurama is free, and since Naruto is half Uzumaki, his children likely won't be able to house any tailed beasts higher than seven. In Sasuke's case, he can simply have children, and more children to revive his clan. It seems like both Naruto and Sasuke are of equal value when it comes to thinking in the present but future-wise, it seems like the Sharingan wins out imo.

Nah, the fact that the entire clan was wiped out because of the potential they had to control Kurama shows how valuable Kurama was and through extention Naruto. Danzo had already cultivated the sharningan and tip toed the primis of controing the nine tails by also captivating cultivating Hashirama's cells. The control aspect that Sasuke could achieve could potentially be mimicked through Frankenstein means, you cannot create a jin.

 

[whiteboy2345]

Nah, the fact that the entire clan was wiped out because of the potential they had to control Kurama shows how valuable Kurama was and through extention Naruto. Danzo had already cultivated the sharningan and tip toed the primis of controing the nine tails by also captivating cultivating Hashirama's cells. The control aspect that Sasuke could achieve could potentially be mimicked through Frankenstein means, you cannot create a jin.

A shit-ton of real Uchiha's are far more valuable than Danzo, who can't make more Sharingan users and Senju Cell users unless Orochimaru offers to do it again.

The wiping out of the Uchiha Clan doesn't show that Naruto is more valuable, it shows that the Uchiha are more valuable but at a price. See, you can't make another Naruto, and you'll need someone to control the beast that's released. If you don't have anyone with the potential to do it, another village or no one at all will have the Nine-Tails and both of those scenario's are dangerous.

 

[Melanin]

A shit-ton of real Uchiha's are far more valuable than Danzo, who can't make more Sharingan users and Senju Cell users unless Orochimaru offers to do it again.

This part has already delegated, Danzo clearly had the means to garner both the visual prowress of the sharningan with his over a dozen functional implants and a significant amount of Senju cells to the point having to much that he couldn't control any of it. So Orochimari being willing to recreate what he already created years ago is obsolete because Danzo was already well endowed with Orochimarus work.

The wiping out of the Uchiha Clan doesn't show that Naruto is more valuable, it shows that the Uchiha are more valuable but at a price.

Why did they wipe out the clan? Because Kurama (in turn Naruto) was more beneficially paramount to who ever had control of them. In a nutshell: the power at be would rather commit genocide then benefits (value) of Kurama (in turn Naruto).

See, you can't make another Naruto, and you'll need someone to control the beast that's released.

Touche but what happens if who has the control has the link broken? How long would a sharningan user be able to control the tailed beast? If Naruto isn't there to completely confine or surpess it it loaves its value. Yes you can't make another Naruto (true) but you can Idealy recreate a catalyst to control a tail beast in a similar light too a sharningan.

If you don't have anyone with the potential to do it, another village or no one at all will have the Nine-Tails and both of those scenario's are dangerous.

But their not as dangerous, it'd be more comforting to know that the tailed beast is in a place beyond the reach of anyone excluding 1-3 people is all I'm saying.

 

[Jiren]

The nine tails is more important but if they knew Sasuke was the next Madara...

 

[Oblivionx]

The nine tails is more important but if they knew Sasuke was the next Madara...

If they knew, sasuke would have died as a genin. Good thing they didn't.

 

[Jiren]

If they knew, sasuke would have died as a genin. Good thing they didn't.

Not exactly I can see them trying to manipulate Sasuke as a big super power. But yeah they would try to control him best they could

 

[BenjerminGaye]

It makes more sense considering the Uchiha were a threat. They worried about whether they would even be able to handle such an enemy, so it would explain why they were fine with loosing such an important part of their military strength. They had already angered the Uchiha for decades, it was unsafe to keep such a dangerous enemy around and I have no doubt they planned on using Sasuke to control Naruto.

Realistically, no village would wipe out a clan like the Uchiha without proper negotiations but that's the Will Of Fire for you, completely emotional and irrational.

No they weren't They were confident and completely fine with killing off the uchiha clan, if it came to that.

Whereas the loss of kurama was something they could never risk. And even the fourth hokage's life was inconsequential to that of the tailed beast something he himself knew.

Stop being a fanboy and look at the bigger picture.Losing kurama meant losing the balance of power across the 5 nations. Fact.

They lost the uchiha clan. Yet nobody fcked wit the leaf.

 

[whiteboy2345]

No they weren't They were confident and completely fine with killing off the uchiha clan, if it came to that.

Whereas the loss of kurama was something they could never risk. And even the fourth hokage's life was inconsequential to that of the tailed beast something he himself knew.

Stop being a fanboy and look at the bigger picture.Losing kurama meant losing the balance of power across the 5 nations. Fact.

They lost the uchiha clan. Yet nobody fcked wit the leaf.

Of course they were fine with killing them, the Uchiha were angry at them and posed a dangerous threat.

Kurama of course isn't a risk that can be taken, but once the container dies, then what?

Sorry, but losing Kurama doesn't mean you've lost the balance of power. If another village does bring the power of a tailed beast down on Konoha, an Uchiha can take control. And Jinchuriki's like Naruto aren't able to be made over and over again. Once Naruto dies, Kurama is released and no one has the means of containing or sealing him anymore.

Orochimaru and the Sand fked with the Leaf and I doubt he would have gotten far if the Uchiha were there. They messed the Leaf up so bad they had to send Genin's to get Sasuke back lmao

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Of course they were fine with killing them, the Uchiha were angry at them and posed a dangerous threat.

Kurama of course isn't a risk that can be taken, but once the container dies, then what?

Sorry, but losing Kurama doesn't mean you've lost the balance of power. If another village does bring the power of a tailed beast down on Konoha, an Uchiha can take control. And Jinchuriki's like Naruto aren't able to be made over and over again. Once Naruto dies, Kurama is released and no one has the means of containing or sealing him anymore.

Orochimaru and the Sand fked with the Leaf and I doubt he would have gotten far if the Uchiha were there. They messed the Leaf up so bad they had to send Genin's to get Sasuke back lmao

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i mean if youre gonna str8 up deny the manga then there's no point in going on.


Orochimaru had to get two villages (hidden sand and hidden sound) and a tailed beast to do it. Proving my point.

 

[Jiren]

naruto by far. U fail to realize konoha was fine with slaughtering off the entire clan

Uchiha clan >= single tailed beast. They got rid of the uchiha clan cause of the coup would start a war. They handled it quickly and quietly

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Uchiha clan >= single tailed beast. They got rid of the uchiha clan cause of the coup would start a war. They handled it quickly and quietly

no they got rid of the uchiha clan because the losses they might take during the coup would start a war.

 

[Jiren]

no they got rid of the uchiha clan because the losses they might take during the coup would start a war. Its the coup itself that was the threat not the clan.

Just like how the kyuubi is a threat. The uchiha were a threat too :lol:

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Just like how the kyuubi is a threat. The uchiha were a threat too :lol:

But the thing is at all costs they have to keep the kyuubi. The uchiha clan is and has proven to be disposable. Making it extremely clear which of the two is actually valuable.

 

[whiteboy2345]

But the thing is at all costs they have to keep the kyuubi. The uchiha clan is and has proven to be disposable. Making it extremely clear which of the two is actually valuable.

Removing something doesn't mean it's disposable. It's like someone removing a kidney. It's not ideal to remove it, but if it becomes too much of a threat it has to go.

 

[Oblivionx]

Not exactly I can see them trying to manipulate Sasuke as a big super power. But yeah they would try to control him best they could

Not if tobirama's ideology prevailed but okay.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Removing something doesn't mean it's disposable. It's like someone removing a kidney. It's not ideal to remove it, but if it becomes too much of a threat it has to go.

Expendable, Same difference. Either way kurama isn't on the expandable list while the entirely of the the uchiha clan is. That alone makes the kurama more valuable than the clan. End of story.

Your tryna dance around manga fact as if it hasn't already happened. For over a decade there were no notable uchiha members in the leaf. Can't say the same about kurama tho.

 

[Jiren]

Expendable, Same difference. Either way kurama isn't on the expandable list while the entirely of the the uchiha clan is. That alone makes the kurama more valuable than the clan. End of story.

Mate the clan may only seem expandable because they orchestrated a coupe against them and only stopped because using own members against each other.