Who showcased the best defensive feats out of Team 7?

[JStar King]

Sasuke and Naruto have the best defensives. Katsuya is good too, but they have the best.

 

[KidGamer65]

There is literally a scan of both Naruto and Sasuke equally surviving the strongest attack they have ever individually encountered in this Manga yet somehow people are saying "Naruto" or "Sasuke".

 

[adamhill302]

Naruto. Nobody from the team tanks besides him tanks Juubi’s laser

Sauske susanoo broke naruto chakra when he tried to punch him in the last fight. Naruto couldn't even withstand his own power while Sasuke susanoo disn't even flinch. Lightning susanoo is the best defense

 

[Eng nawashi]

If you count Katsuya as defensive move, then Sakura would have better defensive scenarios than, lets say, BM or PS. This is because Katsuya's unique body structure allows her to absorb physical attacks, like Cho Shinra Tensei that BM or PS can't tank; certain attacks like Amatersu, Katsuya would not be able to tank that PS and BM can. If you don't count Katsuya as a defense, then this would be the ranking:

1. Kakashi because of intangible Kamui.
2. Naruto/Sasuke because PS and BM have comparable durability.
3. Sakura without Katsuya.

Katsuya isn't as good shield as you think .she may be unkillable by pure physical attacks but that doesn't mean she can absolutely protect you against all physical attacks or some sort of physical attacks regardless of its power. It is like saying water prison can defend you against all physical attacks because it can't be erased or destroyed by it .also Katsuya didn't protect anyone from the direct impact of CST .this is a wide spread misconception .i can elaborate more if you want .
Sakura is still vulnerable against strong enough cutting attacks (as it would cut clean through katsuya to her) ,explosive and fire based attacks and even strong enough blunt physical attacks .
I agree with your list but sakura would still come the last even with katsuya shielding her .

 

[Edogawa]

Katsuya isn't as good shield as you think .she may be unkillable by pure physical attacks but that doesn't mean she can absolutely protect you against all physical attacks or some sort of physical attacks regardless of its power. It is like saying water prison can defend you against all physical attacks because it can't be erased or destroyed by it .also Katsuya didn't protect anyone from the direct impact of CST .this is a wide spread misconception .i can elaborate more if you want .
Sakura is still vulnerable against strong enough cutting attacks (as it would cut clean through katsuya to her) ,explosive and fire based attacks and even strong enough blunt physical attacks .
I agree with your list but sakura would still come the last even with katsuya shielding her .

But I never said she's an absolute tank. I said she's a better choice of durability in certain scenarios than PS, because of her body's unique structure. I outlined CST as an example; PS would be demolished by CST but Katsuya tanked it. There would be other scenarios like PS tanking TBB but Katsuya would be vaporized by it. Kurama couldn't tank FRS but tanked TBB laser. So it's a matter of scenario. And you can't honestly correlate Water Prison to this case, because it can vaporized by fire or by large scale attacks.

 

[Eng nawashi]

But I never said she's an absolute tank. I said she's a better choice of durability in certain scenarios than PS, because of her body's unique structure. I outlined CST as an example; PS would be demolished by CST but Katsuya tanked it. There would be other scenarios like PS tanking TBB but Katsuya would be vaporized by it. Kurama couldn't tank FRS but tanked TBB laser. So it's a matter of scenario. And you can't honestly correlate Water Prison to this case, because it can vaporized by fire or by large scale attacks.

Katsuya's immunity to physical abilites(due to her boneless body and her ability to split and liquefy)has barely anything to do with defending someone with her body .it is her elasticity and softness the make her good choice to survive certain situations but that doesn't put her any close to PS and BM Avatar in almost any scenario .
Again Katsuya didn't protect anyone from CST's actual power .I'll try to elaborate more this time .
All katsuya shielded survivors were shown to be on the edge of konoha's crater created by CST which can be explained in one of two ways:-
1-all survivors (that include all main characters who were in konoha at that time)were initially in that position when pein used his jutsu(doubtful) which means they were already out of the range .
2-the survivors were initially in different locations spread over konoha (which is more reasonable assumption)which means that they were all swept away by a horizontal force (parallel to the ground) which is the shockwave resulted from CST not the repulsive force of CST itself which hit perpendicularly to the ground(vertically) as it would require they staying in their initial locations .you feel the actual power of ST only when you get pushed towards the ground with the full power of the repulsive force of it otherwise the damage received is incomparably small.

Katsuya, as water prison ,can be vaporized with strong enough explosive and fire based attacks .the only difference is that katsuya is more durable and elastic.

 

[Edogawa]

Katsuya's immunity to physical abilites(due to her boneless body and her ability to split and liquefy)has barely anything to do with defending someone with her body .it is her elasticity and softness the make her good choice to survive certain situations but that doesn't put her any close to PS and BM Avatar in almost any scenario.

How are people inside her got nothing to do with being defended? If you're inside something and under attack, it's shielding you. People inside Katsuya are shielded, so if they survive an attack (CST) it's because Katsuya was shielding them. And you're misunderstanding what I said again. I never said she's always a better durability choice than PS or BM in every scenario, I just said in certain scenarios. Katsuya doesn't tank TBB like PS or BM would.

All katsuya shielded survivors were shown to be on the edge of konoha's crater created by CST which can be explained in one of two ways:-

Your explanation have two problems:

Explanation 1 - Tsunade and her bodyguards were shown chasing Pain as he was flying, and they were directly below Pain by the time he used CST, which means they were in the exact position of his repulsive force or epicenter where most of CST's output power is concentrated at. So Tsunade and the Anbu were directly at CST's close range. So villagers were not out of CST's range.

Explanation 1 - The toad boss summons were hit by horizontal force; Gamabunta survived but crippled and the two other toads were killed. And they weren't hit on the ground, instead were pushed outside the skirts of Konoha. This also makes your second explanation questionable too.

Katsuya was a better choice of shield for CST than PS or BM avatar would be. Even if the force of ST pushes her down on the ground, she will still survive it because her body is designed to tank physical attacks. Do you believe PS or BM Avatar can tank CST

 

[Eng nawashi]

How are people inside her got nothing to do with being defended? If you're inside something and under attack, it's shielding you. People inside Katsuya are shielded, so if they survive an attack (CST) it's because Katsuya was shielding them. And you're misunderstanding what I said again. I never said she's always a better durability choice than PS or BM in every scenario, I just said in certain scenarios. Katsuya doesn't tank TBB like PS or BM would.

I didnt mean that .I meant that most of what makes katsuya immune to physical abilities wouldn't really help in defending someone insider her. It is just her extra durability and elasticity that helped them and that is not better than PS shield in any way .

Your explanation have two problems:

Explanation 1 - Tsunade and her bodyguards were shown chasing Pain as he was flying, and they were directly below Pain by the time he used CST, which means they were in the exact position of his repulsive force or epicenter where most of CST's output power is concentrated at. So Tsunade and the Anbu were directly at CST's close range. So villagers were not out of CST's range.

Tusonade was shown to be still moving when pein used CST which means she couldnt make it to konoha's centre by the time pein used CST .if she was really repulsed by CST's vertical force ,she wouldnt have been at the edge of konoha's crater later but instead she would have been still in the epicenter as it would get pushed down on the ground.

Explanation 1 - The toad boss summons were hit by horizontal force; Gamabunta survived but crippled and the two other toads were killed. And they weren't hit on the ground, instead were pushed outside the skirts of Konoha. This also makes your second explanation questionable too.

They may didn't hit the ground with the full power of ST but they still landed on a hard ground with their heavy weight without being balanced which resulted in an impact that their bones weren't durable enough to endure .

Katsuya was a better choice of shield for CST than PS or BM avatar would be. Even if the force of ST pushes her down on the ground, she will still survive it because her body is designed to tank physical attacks. Do you believe PS or BM Avatar can tank CST

PS and BM avatar would easily tank an horizontal force like the one that she tanked .
If the force of ST pushes her down on the ground ,she may survive but the one inside her definitely wouldn't .

BSM Naruto's avatar was destroyed by an impact whose power is a good amount below the power of CST so no it can't tank getting pushed down on the ground with the full power of CST .RSM Naruto's kuarma and Ashura avatars are a different story specially the later which tanked the final clash .

 

[QdonEms]

Bijuu PS/3 head avatar Ftw

 

[Edogawa]

I didnt mean that .I meant that most of what makes katsuya immune to physical abilities wouldn't really help in defending someone insider her. It is just her extra durability and elasticity that helped them and that is not better than PS shield in any way.

What's the proof Katsuya's durability doesn't help someone inside her?

Tusonade was shown to be still moving when pein used CST which means she couldnt make it to konoha's centre by the time pein used CST .if she was really repulsed by CST's vertical force ,she wouldnt have been at the edge of konoha's crater later but instead she would have been still in the epicenter as it would get pushed down on the ground.

No, she was clearly either in the village's center or close it, meaning she was in the range of CST's epicenter and still survived. These villagers were also right before the moment CST hit the ground. [

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And the rest of what you said makes no sense. Even if she was hit by ST's vertical force, she would still be pushed back to the edge of the village, since all CST did was hit the ground and started pushing everything in a 360 degree. Something like this:

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If she was in the center of Konoha or close to it, she would still be sent all the way to the edge of the village protected by Katsuya.

They may didn't hit the ground with the full power of ST but they still landed on a hard ground with their heavy weight without being balanced which resulted in an impact that their bones weren't durable enough to endure .

They didn't hit the ground. They were rolling all the way to where they stopped. Obviously meaning ST's damage isn't just applied on the ground, the force itself can cause enormous damage on its own. It'll be like hitting a wall.

PS and BM avatar would easily tank an horizontal force like the one that she tanked .
If the force of ST pushes her down on the ground ,she may survive but the one inside her definitely wouldn't .

Bro, that already happened and nothing happened. She has a special durability, that PS or BM don't have. That doesn't mean it's better in every scenario, that's all I'm saying. And it also doesn't mean PS or BM are also better.

BSM Naruto's avatar was destroyed by an impact whose power is a good amount below the power of CST so no it can't tank getting pushed down on the ground with the full power of CST .RSM Naruto's kuarma and Ashura avatars are a different story specially the later which tanked the final clash .

What about PS?

Lmao at that bitch KidGamer. He liked your comment implying he agrees with what you said, but before that he said CST wouldn't do anything to Itachi's Susanoo, but somehow agrees BSM Avatar doesn't tank it. What a hypocritical bastard.

 

[Eng nawashi]

What's the proof Katsuya's durability doesn't help someone inside her?

That is actually the contrary of what I said .I said only her extra meat durability and elasticity that help someone inside her not the other attributes and abilities that actually make her unkillable by physical attacks like her ability to liquefy and split.katsuya can survive attacks that someone inside her can't .it is like someone lands on a pillow and another lands on the ground .the former can survive more force than the latter but still can be damaged and even killed depending on how fast he hits the pillow .it is exactly the same case her but replace the pillow with katsuya.like gara in Part 1 when he used his sand as a pillow to hit instead of the ground .

No, she was clearly either in the village's center or close it, meaning she was in the range of CST's epicenter and still survived. These villagers were also right before the moment CST hit the ground. [

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And the rest of what you said makes no sense. Even if she was hit by ST's vertical force, she would still be pushed back to the edge of the village, since all CST did was hit the ground and started pushing everything in a 360 degree. Something like this:

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If she was in the center of Konoha or close to it, she would still be sent all the way to the edge of the village protected by Katsuya.

She was still moving when Pein was actually steady still meaning there is no proof that she she could make it to the center of konoha .
What you say doesn't really make sense .CST's vertical force hit the epicenter of konoha then the horizontal shockwaves begun to spread through the whole village starting from the borders of the range of the vertical force .so logically one can't be hit by CST vertical force and still gets hit by the resulting shockwaves .but even if that was the case ,if an object is subjected to two forces perpendicular to each other ,the object moves in the direction of the superior force.in other words there is no way tusonade would get swept that much away in the direction of the horizontal shockwaves if she was hit by the superior vertical force of CST.not a chance .
There is another scenario that there hadn't been a vertical force at all and the horizontal force was the actually attack but that doesnt change my point .

They didn't hit the ground. Tey were rolling all the way to where they stopped. Obviously meaning ST's damage isn't just applied on the ground, the force itself can cause enormous damage on its own. It'll be like hitting a wall.

Doesn't change my point .the impact of hitting the ground/rolling was more than their bones can take .

ST wasn't shown to deliver great damage to the target without the physical impact with the ground and walls that comes later .

Bro, that already happened and nothing happened. She has a special durability, that PS or BM don't have. That doesn't mean it's better in every scenario, that's all I'm saying. And it also doesn't mean PS or BM are also better.

I already explained what the special durability of Katsuya's shield is and I don't think that is superior to PS in any scenario .

What about PS?

If EMS Sasuke's PS was pushed down on the ground by the full power of CST ,it would get destroyed .

Lmao at that bitch KidGamer. He liked your comment implying he agrees with what you said, but before that he said CST wouldn't do anything to Itachi's Susanoo, but somehow agrees BSM Avatar doesn't tank it. What a hypocritical bastard.

The one doesn't necessarily agree with every single point by clicking the like button .that or my argument was just persuasive to him.
I don't think I can continue this argument as it really getting too long so this will be probably my last reply if that is okay to you .hope there will be no need for another reply anyway .

 

[Donald J Trump]

Uchiha Sasuke with the demigod lightning Susanoo.

 

[UchihasRightfulHeir]

There is literally a scan of both Naruto and Sasuke equally surviving the strongest attack they have ever individually encountered in this Manga yet somehow people are saying "Naruto" or "Sasuke".

Technically I can say sasuke because sasuke sheilded against IT.

But very close between the two

 

[KidGamer65]

Technically I can say sasuke because sasuke sheilded against IT.

But very close between the two

IT isn't a tech that does damage. That's immunity. Not defense. They are dead equal.

 

[Edogawa]

That is actually the contrary of what I said .I said only her extra meat durability and elasticity that help someone inside her not the other attributes and abilities that actually make her unkillable by physical attacks like her ability to liquefy and split.katsuya can survive attacks that someone inside her can't .it is like someone lands on a pillow and another lands on the ground .the former can survive more force than the latter but still can be damaged and even killed depending on how fast he hits the pillow .it is exactly the same case her but replace the pillow with katsuya.like gara in Part 1 when he used his sand as a pillow to hit instead of the ground .

Someone landing on a pillow /=/ someone inside a pillow. A grenade won't kill a soldier hiding inside a tank, because it's shielding it so the grenade has to bypass the tank's durability before it could kill the soldier. An attack has to bypass Susanoo or avatar before it could harm. Katsuya acts as a shield for whoever is inside her, meaning an attack must bypass her durability fully before it could do anything to the one inside. There is no proof for the bold.

She was still moving when Pein was actually steady still meaning there is no proof that she she could make it to the center of konoha .
What you say doesn't really make sense .CST's vertical force hit the epicenter of konoha then the horizontal shockwaves begun to spread through the whole village starting from the borders of the range of the vertical force .so logically one can't be hit by CST vertical force and still gets hit by the resulting shockwaves .but even if that was the case ,if an object is subjected to two forces perpendicular to each other ,the object moves in the direction of the superior force.in other words there is no way tusonade would get swept that much away in the direction of the horizontal shockwaves if she was hit by the superior vertical force of CST.not a chance .
There is another scenario that there hadn't been a vertical force at all and the horizontal force was the actually attack but that doesnt change my point .

Bro, villagers are clearly seen standing right in the center of the village in front of CST at its hypocenter range. I posted a scan of that:

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The vertical force of CST isn't really going to be inferior to the horizontal force of CST, since its energy is dispersed to specific ranges from a physics logic. But I understand your point, though I disagree with the location of Tsunade and villagers.

ST wasn't shown to deliver great damage to the target without the physical impact with the ground and walls that comes later .

It presumably killed the ninjas in Nagato's flashback and no ground impact was shown.

I already explained what the special durability of Katsuya's shield is and I don't think that is superior to PS in any scenario .

Our only disagreements are person inside Katsuya and Tsunade's location. But I agree with the rest.

 

[Eng nawashi]

Someone landing on a pillow /=/ someone inside a pillow. A grenade won't kill a soldier hiding inside a tank, because it's shielding it so the grenade has to bypass the tank's durability before it could kill the soldier. An attack has to bypass Susanoo or avatar before it could harm. Katsuya acts as a shield for whoever is inside her, meaning an attack must bypass her durability fully before it could do anything to the one inside. There is no proof for the bold.

Your tank example is not accurate and don't really duplicate katsuya's case because:
-the tank's durability isn't the same type of katsuya .
-the soldier inside a tank isn't physically connected with the tank's shield body so there is no transfer of force .
My pillow example is more accurate because :
-pilow's durability is quite similar to katsuya's in attributes.
-it shows that someone who lands on a pillow stretched on a hard ground can still be killed without the pillow getting really destroyed so no need to bypass durability.

-there is no real difference between landing on a pillow stretched on a hard ground or landing on the hard ground while being inside a pillow .

I can't think of a scenario where katsuya liquefying or splitting would actually help someone inside her

Bro, villagers are clearly seen standing right in the center of the village in front of CST at its hypocenter range. I posted a scan of that:

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The vertical force of CST isn't really going to be inferior to the horizontal force of CST, since its energy is dispersed to specific ranges from a physics logic. But I understand your point, though I disagree with the location of Tsunade and villagers.

But they aren't subjected to any vertical force instead there is tusonami of Rubble shown to move towards them which is actually the horizontal force .there is no proof that those villagers were right at the center of konoha where CST really landed .that or the force wasn't really unleashed vertically in the first place .

It presumably killed the ninjas in Nagato's flashback and no ground impact was shown.

Can you post the scan ?

 

[Warlocks]

BPS/asura avatar
RSM (no avater)
sasuke PS
reason RSM (no avater) tank an attack that 1 shot PS (kaguya's chakra arms) cant deny manga fact

 

[Guntah]

Without chakra avatars, Naruto without a doubt. With, its a tie between him and Sasuke.

 

[Mellanoma]

The only member of team 7 that can block Infinite Tsukuyomi

 

[Warlocks]

The only member of team 7 that can block Infinite Tsukuyomi

it has nothing to do with the durability