Who is worse, Danzo or Orochimaru?

[iSpeak the Truth]

At least Danzo had some friendly regards for some. He idolized Hiruzen and he (on some level) does indeed love the village. Orochimaru, on the other hand, loves only himself. He will use anyone and anything and has no regards for anyone. I think he takes the evil cake in this.

Is that why he ad Hiruzen killed by Orochimaru? More like jealousy and envy. Danzo never cared for Konoha, that was an illusion to hide his true intentions.

 

[Germanicus]

Bold is my answer^ also, read this thread and learn Danzo's true colours.

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Sorry, this kind of sums up his intentions all in one. No one around to manipulate. His motives stated clear and from his own mouth. Bottom left panel. The rest of that chapter nicely sums up his character. A brutal man with good intentions but harsh methods.

 

[iSpeak the Truth]

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Sorry, this kind of sums up his intentions all in one. No one around to manipulate. His motives stated clear and from his own mouth. Bottom left panel. The rest of that chapter nicely sums up his character. A brutal man with good intentions but harsh methods.

His mouth is the thing that created that illusion in the first place. Are you gonna trust that? If you read my thread, you'll see that Danzo was running back to the village, and Obito hunted him and had Sasuke get his revenge on him. That seal was meant to activate upon his death anyway, that's all that happened.

 

[Jade Princess]

I think it is Danzo, Oroat least was honest about his intentions.

 

[Jade Princess]

I think it is Danzo, Oroat least was honest about his intentions.

 

[Thundercles]

Is that why he ad Hiruzen killed by Orochimaru? More like jealousy and envy. Danzo never cared for Konoha, that was an illusion to hide his true intentions.

Well he obviously had intentions, but you cannot discount his care for the village. He did commit suicide in hopes of saving the village. I would say that was the most straight-forward selfless thing I've seen him do.

 

[Germanicus]

His mouth is the thing that created that illusion in the first place. Are you gonna trust that? If you read my thread, you'll see that Danzo was running back to the village, and Obito hunted him and had Sasuke get his revenge on him. That seal was meant to activate upon his death anyway, that's all that happened.

Yes, as a matter of fact, I am going to trust that. Because he knows he's going to die. He knows his lies will take him no further. He could only bare the truth before him. If you actually read that chapter of the manga, you would have seen what Danzo understood being a shinobi meant. (To him.) That a ninja's duty was sacrifice for the greater good. Even if it meant using deception and cruel tactics. It would have well been possible for him to just remain silent had he not meant those words. He knew he was about to die, he knew his seal would activate.

If he didn't mean them, the words were unnecessary. Danzo's character is strongly pragmatic. He wouldn't speak unnecessary words at his death.

 

[iSpeak the Truth]

Well he obviously had intentions, but you cannot discount his care for the village. He did commit suicide in hopes of saving the village. I would say that was the most straight-forward selfless thing I've seen him do.

He did not commit suicide!! OMG! It's like you people don't even read the manga.

That seal was meant to activate upon his death anyway! Sasuke killed him once and he took a hostage in a desperate attempt to survive, then Sasuke stabbed him again. His death was imminent! He did nothing noble. He didn't even want to fight, that's why he fled the summit when Sasuke glared at him, Obito hunted him and had Sasuke get his revenge!

 

[iSpeak the Truth]

Yes, as a matter of fact, I am going to trust that. Because he knows he's going to die. He knows his lies will take him no further. He could only bare the truth before him. If you actually read that chapter of the manga, you would have seen what Danzo understood being a shinobi meant. (To him.) That a ninja's duty was sacrifice for the greater good. Even if it meant using deception and cruel tactics. It would have well been possible for him to just remain silent had he not meant those words. He knew he was about to die, he knew his seal would activate.

If he didn't mean them, the words were unnecessary. Danzo's character is strongly pragmatic. He wouldn't speak unnecessary words at his death.

See that is the most confusing part for a lot of people, he said one thing to Obito and Sasuke, and in his thoughts he said something completely different. In his thoughts, and in the flashback, you really see his true cowardly nature and his jealousy of Hiruzen. That is the same thing he's thinking about while dying, that he could not catch up to Hiruzen no matter what he did. That was the truth about Danzo. His thoughts, not his words.

 

[binderr]

Danzo: People believe he made hard choices for the village :sy: That was just an illusion, fabricated to hide his true motives, a Konoha built on his own principles, the world under his heel indefinitely. He did everything and anything to achieve that goal. KA the summit. Plot Hiruzen's assassination. He did all these things and lots more. He commanded patriotic leaf ninjas under the same illusion, and sent them to their death with the belief that their sacrifices would be beneficial for the village, when in fact they would only be beneficial for the progress of his own goals.

I'm not here to prove that though, I've already done that in one of my threads, feel free to look it up.

My question here is, Danzo did everything for his own selfish reasons under the illusion that he wanted the best for Konoha.

On the other hand, you have Orochimaru, who did pretty much the same thing, he openly slaughtered people, manipulated them, used them, etc etc. But Orochimaru never lied about his true intentions, he made it clear that everything he did, was for his own profit, for himself. He took in lost and lonely souls and gave them a purpose under his command, ex: Kimimaro, Kabuto, the guy that Shino destroyed. But he made it clear to them, that they were his pawns, and they were meant to live their lives serving Orochimaru.


So who was worse out of these two? The low life who hid his true intentions under a veil of selflessness? Or the guy who is pure evil but doesn't hide it at all, he's actually sort of proud of it.

danzo takes orochimaru impossible diff.

 

[iSpeak the Truth]

danzo takes orochimaru impossible diff.

lol wut?

 

[nordas]

Danzo had selfish intentions, but mostly what he did, he did it for Konoha. Yeah, he was cruel and cunning, and did terrible things, but without those, The Leaf would never become the strongest nation. Every nation needs men like Danzo to do dirty jobs...

 

[iSpeak the Truth]

Danzo had selfish intentions, but mostly what he did, he did it for Konoha. Yeah, he was cruel and cunning, and did terrible things, but without those, The Leaf would never become the strongest nation. Every nation needs men like Danzo to do dirty jobs...

Wrong! It was all for himself. Like I said, many people are caught in his illusion, the one he created with his own mouth. Saying himself that he does it for the village.......give me break. Not only did he ignore more than one full scale attack on Konoha, but was also suspected of causing one himself. And it doesn't end there.

 

[nordas]

Wrong! It was all for himself. Like I said, many people are caught in his illusion, the one he created with his own mouth. Saying himself that he does it for the village.......give me break. Not only did he ignore more than one full scale attack on Konoha, but was also suspected of causing one himself. And it doesn't end there.

Yeah, as i said, he had selfish intentions/to become hokage/, but he did useful job for Konoha: pacified and stabilised Hanzos position, trying to make an alliance with him, fought aganst the bloody mist, and the uchica massacre was also his idea/he prevented konoha from a civil war/
He's not a positive char., but still better than Oro, if we compare them

 

[Brooks]

Danzo....any day of the week

 

[TheLastSamurai]

wtf who cares if Oro was honoust about his intentions? he was and will remain a malicious psychopath.
Danzo did what he did because he wanted to protect the village in his own way.

Since when is it ok to protect someone who kills his own sensei? oO

 

[~Shadowhunter Princess~]

Its a tie for me. Both are equally bad no matter their intentions.
Having said that, Orochimaru is a creepy paedophile U_U had to put that out there...

 

[iSpeak the Truth]

Its a tie for me. Both are equally bad no matter their intentions.
Having said that, Orochimaru is a creepy paedophile U_U had to put that out there...

No he isn't. He inhabits their body and takes it for his own, doesn't have *** with it. >_>

 

[~Shadowhunter Princess~]

No he isn't. He inhabits their body and takes it for his own, doesn't have *** with it. >_>

That attraction is still creepy :|
It doesn't sound right no matter how you say it :|

 

[iSpeak the Truth]

That attraction is still creepy :|
It doesn't sound right no matter how you say it :|

Well...yes. But we know the truth dont we? It's all about his obsession and dream to have the perfect vessel in order to pretty much become the strongest and most knowledgeable in the world.