Who is the weakest ninja who could defeat the Six Paths of Pain?

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And what is your point? Naruto said himself that if he landed one of those hits he'd be toast.
no he didn't that was an incorrect translation. . and then takes a and that hit is more powerful than any hit Ei has ever done in the manga. So no, NAruto would most definitely not have been toast, Ei could punched naruto square in the face and he'd receive little to no damage.



Yes you now just contradicted yourself he wasnt playing with him. he had to dodge it at the last second otherwise Ay would have caught him so he just used his reflexes to react at the right time.
I said earlier he was playing with him which is why he didn't use his fastest speed. When he actually tried to dodge him he was not fooling around.


it clearly says he was unaffected, you cant contradict facts. NARUTO clearly stated that the rasens huriken had no effect despite the lightening armour being neutralized, if it did indeed have an effect as you claimed, even something like cellular damages then Naruto would have never said so. It also states that ONLY the attack that was inflicted to himself ever caused him damages, so there you go, another manga fact that you cant contradict, it is not debatable.
Naruto has no obligation to say anything about cellular damage, and him saying it had no affect was also false as well since the FRS did incapacitate sandaime, blow of his RnY and inflicted small damage. So that statement that it had no affect is explicitly false. So the point still stands, the only explanation for him being incapacitated by an attack that did almost no visible damage to him is that he took cellular damage to his chakra network much like kakuzu took.

Lolll are you kidding me? That's clearly his hand, even in the anime he uses his hand it's just that he moved his hand so fast that it doesnt look like his hand, is that your first time reading a manga? when things move fast they are drawn differently to demonstrate the speed.
There is no way in hell that you can honestly and objectively say that that is sandaime raikage's hand and not a sword of some sort in it. It does not matter what the anime decided to show, the anime has even replaced naruto's punches and kicks with rasengans on occasions. The scan is crystal clear to anyone looking at this objectively and without an agenda. Debate honestly.




oh is that so? in this manga page he was still in his base form

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then few seconds later he entered SM without even moving, so yes he was always able to do so.

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wow, you must be either completely new to naruto or never read the pain arc. Naruto was able to enter SM instantly because HIS CLONE GATHERING NATURAL ENERGY DISPELLED. I'm obviously talking about the speed at which naruto can gather natural energy and enter sage mode on his own without clone batteries.


lol fail, Ay is way faster than the 3rd raikage, SM Naruto wouldnt be able to keep up with him in a fight. also Ay wasnt even at full speed against sasuke so try again.
Concession accepted as I already covered these points. Naruto ends Ei with anything above a rasengan if he goes at him sasuke speed. If he goes V2 naruto still has the reactions to put up a guard against his hits as unlike Sasuke, NAruto's prediction abilities extend beyond his LoS.



Naruto isnt able to join body with pa and ma until proven otherwise, show me a manga scan of ma and pa fusing with naruto then your point may be valid.
lol debate honestly. It was explicitly stated in the manga that naruto could not fuse with ma and pa solely because the kyuubi rejected pa. Now that he is friends with the kyuubi, the one obstacle from sage fusion is gone and thus he is able to fuse with ma and pa. So by the canon manga, naruto can fuse with ma and pa.

Naruto may have good reflexes in SM but Ay has even greater reflexes and speed than him so he wont even touch him. in V2 his reflexes are even greater so he wouldnt fall for the trick, even Pain who is very slow managed to dodge the rasenshuriken you think that would work on Ay? lolol .
that's only if Naruto opts to throw FRS at ei, something he is not going to do unless ei is incapped or held down by a clone. And naruto does not need fRS to kill ei, anything above a normal rasengan will oneshot ei. And no, SM Naruto's reflexes are far beyond Ei's, his father couldn't even react to naruto's dodge and rasengan to the arm, ei couldn't even react to sasuke's chidori blitz in CQ.

naruto would need genjutsu to defeat Ay but he doesn't have any. Ay can just chop off his head since Naruto isnt fast enough to react to his speed.
Naruto in no way needs genjutsu to counter Ei as Ei's only means of attack is CQC where he will get a rasengan variant trades for one of his punches. Naruto's SM reactions are above Ei's as he can blitz ei's father before he could even react who is on par with Ei's V1 state, and his SM sensing that allow him to do so extend beyond his LOS. So ei in no way has the speed to blitz SM Naruto while naruto has the reflexes to block Ei's fastest punch and has the durability and strength to take little to no damage from that hit.

SM Naruto wouldnt be able to beat Ay, he doesnt have any good defensive abilities and in top of that hes not even fast enough. Ay would stomp.
SM NAruto would fodderize Ei. Sasuke a non-sensor could react to Ei's blitz by putting up enton. SM Naruto is a sensor and therefore his reflexes extend all around him and beyond his LOS. Naruto in no way needs to be as fast as ei to beat him, all he has to do is be able to block ei's hits and exchange a rasengan variant for one of Ei's punches when he comes in to deal damage. Naruto even has clones to attack Ei right after he delivers a blow, or hold ei down considering each of them are more physically powerful than ei himself.
Ei attempts a blitz, gets his punch blocked and gets blindsided by a rasengan varient from a clone or grabbed, held or thrown so that a clone ends him with a rasengan varient.

Basically your entire post has been asserting that SM Naruto is too slow and that Ei would blitz him while backing up that assertion with ZERO evidence. The only claim you've made that has been backed up by evidence is that Ei can dodge a thrown FRS, which I never doubted. So once again, the conclusion is clear to anyone looking at our debate objectively that Ei gets destroyed against SM Naruto.
 
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no he didn't that was an incorrect translation. . and then takes a and that hit is more powerful than any hit Ei has ever done in the manga. So no, NAruto would most definitely not have been toast, Ei could punched naruto square in the face and he'd receive little to no damage.

Dont bring up Han into this were talking about Ay here and naruto clearly said that if he landed that punch hed be dead, admit your wrong when your wrong or Ill stop arguing over this.

Another manga fact that you cannot contradict,

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I said earlier he was playing with him which is why he didn't use his fastest speed. When he actually tried to dodge him he was not fooling around.

I said earlier that he could only dodge that last punch because he saw him coming unlike the previous times where Ay took him by surprise. He was not fooling around.



Naruto has no obligation to say anything about cellular damage, and him saying it had no affect was also false as well since the FRS did incapacitate sandaime, blow of his RnY and inflicted small damage. So that statement that it had no affect is explicitly false. So the point still stands, the only explanation for him being incapacitated by an attack that did almost no visible damage to him is that he took cellular damage to his chakra network much like kakuzu took.

It was the shock of the blast that paralyzed for an instant. The manga clearly says that only self inflicted damage can hurt him, once again you cannot contradict manga facts. You need to admit your defeat instead of being stubborn when youre clearly wrong.


There is no way in hell that you can honestly and objectively say that that is sandaime raikage's hand and not a sword of some sort in it. It does not matter what the anime decided to show, the anime has even replaced naruto's punches and kicks with rasengans on occasions. The scan is crystal clear to anyone looking at this objectively and without an agenda. Debate honestly.

It's clearly a han
The trail you see behind is not asword its caused by the swift movement of his hand ripping the clothes.

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I'm obviously talking about the speed at which naruto can gather natural energy and enter sage mode on his own without clone batteries.

yep which proves my point, he was always able to do it, do you read the manga brah?

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Concession accepted as I already covered these points. Naruto ends Ei with anything above a rasengan if he goes at him sasuke speed. If he goes V2 naruto still has the reactions to put up a guard against his hits as unlike Sasuke, NAruto's prediction abilities extend beyond his LoS.

Actually Sasuke has greater perception abilities than Naruto due to his sharingan and was still not able to keep up with Ay's speed. Why would Naruto stand a chance? Look at what happened to Juugo. If Ay wanted to he could just chop Naruto's head easily.




lol debate honestly. It was explicitly stated in the manga that naruto could not fuse with ma and pa solely because the kyuubi rejected pa. Now that he is friends with the kyuubi, the one obstacle from sage fusion is gone and thus he is able to fuse with ma and pa. So by the canon manga, naruto can fuse with ma and pa.

You still can't provide a manga scan proving your point? How unfortunate, just because he's friendly with the kyubi doesn't mean he can fuse with ma and pa for all that, it's probably just naturally rejecting them out of Naruto's body because the simple presence of the kyubi into Naruto makes it impossible for them to fuse. You can't back up your claims therefore your argument is invalid.


that's only if Naruto opts to throw FRS at ei, something he is not going to do unless ei is incapped or held down by a clone. And naruto does not need fRS to kill ei, anything above a normal rasengan will oneshot ei. And no, SM Naruto's reflexes are far beyond Ei's, his father couldn't even react to naruto's dodge and rasengan to the arm, ei couldn't even react to sasuke's chidori blitz in CQ.

lool fail, Ay didnt react to his chidori because he didnt need to, any raiton jutsus are useless against his lightening armor, get your facts straight. his lightening armor increase his reflexes so much that theyre on par with those of Minato's , narutos reflexes are far below that level. Ay would murder him.




rasen shuriken is too slow to hit Ay he can dodge them easily also he can only do 2 of those after which he will run out of chakra and this time around naruto wont be able to replenish his chakra so he will get destroyed by Ay. Ay's chop was powerful enough to break through susanoo ribcages and it even hurt sasuke, naruto is nowhere as resilient as susanoos ribcage he would get insta killed by one of his chop, blocking it is useless, just so you know naruto would need good defensive abilities to defeat Ay unfortunately he doesnt have any, he will get destroyed.

Also you cant refute manga facts so deal with it.
Youll need to deepen your knowledges in naruto since all your arguments are ridiculous and invalid
 
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Jiraiya had the chance because he was in Nagato's village. He's not gonna kill his allies.
 

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Dont bring up Han into this were talking about Ay here and naruto clearly said that if he landed that punch hed be dead, admit your wrong when your wrong or Ill stop arguing over this.
lol concession accepted as your only argument on this point is ignoring my own.

I posted a blatant scan that shows Naruto says NOTHING about ei's punch being dangerous to him, then back up that scan by showing naruto making a similar strength comment about Han in BASE, and then Naruto taking a blindsided full momentum kick by a much more powerful 1 tailed Han right to his face and coming out undamaged. That is conclusive proof to anyone looking at the manga objectively and honestly that my scan of Naruto's statement is the correct one.

Another manga fact that you cannot contradict,
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yet I've shown you that is not the correct scan, and have provided an argument as to why that is so. Since you have just ignored my argument and just asserted your own with no evidence then it is a concession on your part.

I said earlier that he could only dodge that last punch because he saw him coming unlike the previous times where Ay took him by surprise. He was not fooling around.
Naruto dodged the last punch because he used his full speed. Had he used his full speed from the start, Ei would never had gotten the opportunity to get in front of him and punch him.

It was the shock of the blast that paralyzed for an instant. The manga clearly says that only self inflicted damage can hurt him, once again you cannot contradict manga facts. You need to admit your defeat instead of being stubborn when youre clearly wrong.
How does the shock of a blast paralyze him so much that he can't even move until the sealing robes are around him? ARe there any other instances in the manga of a shock of a blast paralyzing someone and rendering them unable to move?

And the rest of your post has already been defeated mutliple times within our discussion. The manga can clearly state whatever it wants, however if feats show otherwise, then those statements don't hold water. We see him getting hurt by non-self inflicted wounds, that's a blatant contradiction to the manga statements and thus those statements are the ones that are false, not the feats.

Are you stupid? It's clearly a hand, if you cant see that then you have some vision issues, its more like anyone who is not a biased fanboys would see it.
The trail you see behind is not a f*cking sword its caused by the swift movement of his hand ripping the clothes. Is it youre first time reading a manga? Looks like it. Once again youre wrong and you cant admit it.
In no way am I wrong about that. Anyone looking at this without bias and with objectivity would see that that is not his hand and that his hand is clearly gripping a long pointy object which iswhat he used to rip the cloak. That long ponty object is NOT swift movement as it extends beyond his hand on both sides while swift movement only exists on the side being moved away from.

yep which proves my point, he was always able to do it, do you read the manga brah?

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concession accepted as that is an blatantly dishonest attempt at strawmanning my argument My argument was that he can enter it FASTER than he could in the pain arc not that he could ONLY enter it after that. Goodness gracious, debate honestly child. And if you are talking about Naruto always able to enter SM quickly, then that scan in no way shows that he could do that IN THE PAIN ARC as Naruto stated at the 5 kage summit that he was training his Sage mode skills, so he was already leveling up from that point.



Actually Sasuke has greater perception abilities than Naruto due to his sharingan
and was still not able to keep up with Ay's speed. Why would Naruto stand a chance? Look at what happened to Juugo. If Ay wanted to he could just chop Naruto's head easily.
What do you base the bolded on? Feats? Statements? No, you base it on absolutely nothing. In actuality by feats, Naruto's perception is greater than Sasuke's as his feat against Sandaime raikage was greater than sasuke's against Ei as he was up against an attack that had a much further reach and had to aim his attack with much greater precision than Sasuke's.

The rest of your post is just the same old baseless assertions of "Ei is too fast for SM Naruto" that I have already knocked down with my previous posts.


You still can't provide a manga scan proving your point? How unfortunate, just because he's friendly with the kyubi doesn't mean he can fuse with ma and pa for all that, it's probably just naturally rejecting them out of Naruto's body because the simple presence of the kyubi into Naruto makes it impossible for them to fuse. You can't back up your claims therefore your argument is invalid.
I have completely backed up my claims with manga evidence, I have identified the explicitly stated factor that prevents naruto from fusing with ma and pa and have PROVEN to you that that factor is no longer present, thus logically and necessarily it follows that Naruto CAN fuse with ma and pa. Since your own argument is backed by ZERO evidence and just makes the fallacious claim that "since it didn't happen on panel, then it is impossible" then your argument is baseless and thus since Naruto can in fact fuse with ma and pa.



lool fail, Ay didnt react to his chidori because he didnt need to, any raiton jutsus are useless against his lightening armor, get your facts straight. his lightening armor increase his reflexes so much that theyre on par with those of Minato's , narutos reflexes are far below that level. Ay would murder him.
the bolded is a complete and utter baseless assertion, Ei was trying to hit Sasuke with an elbow and thus if he could have reacted to his dodge, he would have changed the direction of his attack accordingly in order to hit sasuke. Thus Ei did in fact fail to react to sasuke's chidori just like Sandaime raikage who has the same speed as V1 Ei (the same one who sasuke blitzed) got blitzed by SM Naruto and his rasengan before he could even react.

The statement that "any raiton jutsus are useless against his lightning armor" is not only baseless but flat out wrong as sasuke's chidori did in fact penetrate his RnY and wound him, and his father's raiton jutsus would kill Ei.

The rest of your post is the same old baseless assertion that SM Naruto's reflexes are far below Ei's which have been proven false by his ability to blitz Sandaime raikage.



rasen shuriken is too slow to hit Ay he can dodge them easily also he can only do 2 of those after which he will run out of chakra and this time around naruto wont be able to replenish his chakra so he will get destroyed by Ay.
already addressed this point, he is not going to be throwing FRS, he is going to be trading a low cost rasengan varient that will kill ei as well.

Ay's chop was powerful enough to break through susanoo ribcages and it even hurt sasuke, naruto is nowhere as resilient as susanoos ribcage he would get insta killed by one of his chop, blocking it is useless,
what evidence do you have that SM Naruto would not be able to block a chop with a guard and his durability?

just so you know naruto would need good defensive abilities to defeat Ay unfortunately he doesnt have any, he will get destroyed.
Once again the same old baseless assertions. I have provided positive evidence that has knocked down this baseless assertion and since we have come to the end of your debate and you have still yet to attack my arguments or errect evidence for yours then it is a concession on your part that Naruto in fact does have the defensive abilities to defeat Ei.

Also you cant refute manga facts so deal with it.
You need to deepen your knowledges in naruto or youll keep looking like a fool.
Once again concession accepted on those points. For every argument and every point I have given I have shown you explicit and hefty manga evidence. On the other hand you have stooped to strawmanning my arguments, just making assertions with ZERO evidence for that assertion, ignoring my arguments altogther and finally when confronted with a post that just destroys your argument you simply assert something and then follow it up with "deal with it".

In conclusion, I accept your concession on all arguments in our debate and thus our discussion ends with SM Naruto being easily stronger than Ei and Sandaime Raikage.
 
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yet I've shown you that is not the correct scan, and have provided an argument as to why that is so. Since you have just ignored my argument and just asserted your own with no evidence then it is a concession on your part.

lolol youre funny kid, your argument was worth nothing, you just said it was supposedely invalid without providing any proofs, i could myself just contradict all the manga pages you post saying its wrong , its not that hard you know, ive proved you wrong deal with it, you cant contradict manga facts.

Naruto dodged the last punch because he used his full speed. Had he used his full speed from the start, Ei would never had gotten the opportunity to get in front of him and punch him.

nope he would have used his full speed right at the beginning, your argument is flawed.



And the rest of your post has already been defeated mutliple times within our discussion. The manga can clearly state whatever it wants, however if feats show otherwise, then those statements don't hold water. We see him getting hurt by non-self inflicted wounds, that's a blatant contradiction to the manga statements and thus those statements are the ones that are false, not the feats.

wow if you read ythe manga you would know that the 3rd raikage was reputed for his resilience, that also is a manga fact, so what is so surprising about the fact that he was unaimpred? the manga clearly says all the rasen shuriken did was wear off his armor, nothing more, you cant contradict manga facts, its useless.


In no way am I wrong about that. Anyone looking at this without bias and with objectivity would see that that is not his hand and that his hand is clearly gripping a long pointy object which iswhat he used to rip the cloak. That long ponty object is NOT swift movement as it extends beyond his hand on both sides while swift movement only exists on the side being moved away from.

lol youre clearly wrong, even in the anime he just uses his hand your bias is unbelievable.


concession accepted as that is an blatantly dishonest attempt at strawmanning my argument My argument was that he can enter it FASTER than he could in the pain arc not that he could ONLY enter it after that. Goodness gracious, debate honestly child. And if you are talking about Naruto always able to enter SM quickly, then that scan in no way shows that he could do that IN THE PAIN ARC as Naruto stated at the 5 kage summit that he was training his Sage mode skills, so he was already leveling up from that point.

Another fail from you, he was always able to enter it instantly the only times where he needed preparation was during his training, after his training he already mastered it as shown by my manga scan.


What do you base the bolded on? Feats? Statements? No, you base it on absolutely nothing. In actuality by feats, Naruto's perception is greater than Sasuke's as his feat against Sandaime raikage was greater than sasuke's against Ei as he was up against an attack that had a much further reach and had to aim his attack with much greater precision than Sasuke's.

lool, Naruto was in KCM when he fought Ay so you cant compare you dummy.



I have completely backed up my claims with manga evidence, I have identified the explicitly stated factor that prevents naruto from fusing with ma and pa and have PROVEN to you that that factor is no longer present, thus logically and necessarily it follows that Naruto CAN fuse with ma and pa. Since your own argument is backed by ZERO evidence and just makes the fallacious claim that "since it didn't happen on panel, then it is impossible" then your argument is baseless and thus since Naruto can in fact fuse with ma and pa.

nope you still havent provided a valid proof, you havent backed up your claims at all, youre just making assumption based off nothing.
you clearly cant provide a manga proof proving pa and ma can indeed fuse with naruto because there arent any, you havent proved crap, you cant be sure that the presence of the nine tail might prevent them from fusing. So if you cant back up your claims then just drop that argument because its invalid.




the bolded is a complete and utter baseless assertion, Ei was trying to hit Sasuke with an elbow and thus if he could have reacted to his dodge, he would have changed the direction of his attack accordingly in order to hit sasuke. Thus Ei did in fact fail to react to sasuke's chidori just like Sandaime raikage who has the same speed as V1 Ei (the same one who sasuke blitzed) got blitzed by SM Naruto and his rasengan before he could even react.

since when does V1 ay has the same speed as the 3rd raikage? more baseless assertion, just give up you clearly cant argue with facts.
Ay didnt change direction because he was about to liger bomb the sh1t out of sasuke why would he move away when he knows his chidori would be inneffective anyway? you dont seem to have any common sense,.

The statement that "any raiton jutsus are useless against his lightning armor" is not only baseless but flat out wrong as sasuke's chidori did in fact penetrate his RnY and wound him, and his father's raiton jutsus would kill Ei.

his chidori didnt hurt Ay at all, go reread the manga youre way too ignorant loll, it didnt even scratch him it just piereced 2 cm into his lightening armor and thats it.





what evidence do you have that SM Naruto would not be able to block a chop with a guard and his durability?

Sasuke's susanoo >>>> SM Naruto, anyone who read the manga and who have minimal knowledge would know that no defense come close to Susanoo youre not just blocking a chop that broke a susanoo loll. Naruto doesnt have any defensive or tanking feat that comes anywhere close to Susanoo.


Once again the same old baseless assertions. I have provided positive evidence that has knocked down this baseless assertion and since we have come to the end of your debate and you have still yet to attack my arguments or errect evidence for yours then it is a concession on your part that Naruto in fact does have the defensive abilities to defeat Ei.

lol youre way too funy kid you havent proved shit, you probably never even read the manga and you cant even use manga facts to back up your claims. SM naruto doesnt have any defensive abilities, try again



In conclusion, I accept your concession on all arguments in our debate and thus our discussion ends with SM Naruto being easily stronger than Ei and Sandaime Raikage.

in conclusion youre way too bad at this., you werent able to provide manga facts when I asked you to also all your arguments are flawed and baseless. and youre even trying to contradict the manga itself, my advice to you is read the manga over again, or just start reading it because you probably didnt. Your lack of knowledge in this manga is saddening.

Ay >>>>>>>>> SM naruto is clear now. Im glad you proved me right.
 
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lolol youre funny kid, your argument was worth nothing, you just said it was supposedely invalid without providing any proofs, i could myself just contradict all the manga pages you post saying its wrong , its not that hard you know, ive proved you wrong deal with it, you cant contradict manga facts.



nope he would have used his full speed right at the beginning, your argument is flawed.





wow if you read ythe manga you would know that the 3rd raikage was reputed for his resilience, that also is a manga fact, so what is so surprising about the fact that he was unaimpred? the manga clearly says all the rasen shuriken did was wear off his armor, nothing more, you cant contradict manga facts, its useless.




lol youre clearly wrong, even in the anime he just uses his hand your bias is unbelievable.




Another fail from you, he was always able to enter it instantly the only times where he needed preparation was during his training, after his training he already mastered it as shown by my manga scan.




lool, Naruto was in KCM when he fought Ay so you cant compare you dummy.





nope you still havent provided a valid proof, you havent backed up your claims at all, youre just making assumption based off nothing.
you clearly cant provide a manga proof proving pa and ma can indeed fuse with naruto because there arent any, you havent proved crap, you cant be sure that the presence of the nine tail might prevent them from fusing. So if you cant back up your claims then just drop that argument because its invalid.






since when does V1 ay has the same speed as the 3rd raikage? more baseless assertion, just give up you clearly cant argue with facts.
Ay didnt change direction because he was about to liger bomb the sh1t out of sasuke why would he move away when he knows his chidori would be inneffective anyway? you dont seem to have any common sense,.



his chidori didnt hurt Ay at all, go reread the manga youre way too ignorant loll, it didnt even scratch him it just piereced 2 cm into his lightening armor and thats it.







Sasuke's susanoo >>>> SM Naruto, anyone who read the manga and who have minimal knowledge would know that no defense come close to Susanoo youre not just blocking a chop that broke a susanoo loll. Naruto doesnt have any defensive or tanking feat that comes anywhere close to Susanoo.




lol youre way too funy kid you havent proved shit, you probably never even read the manga and you cant even use manga facts to back up your claims. SM naruto doesnt have any defensive abilities, try again





in conclusion youre way too bad at this., you werent able to provide manga facts when I asked you to also all your arguments are flawed and baseless. and youre even trying to contradict the manga itself, my advice to you is read the manga over again, or just start reading it because you probably didnt. Your lack of knowledge in this manga is saddening.

Ay >>>>>>>>> SM naruto is clear now. Im glad you proved me right.

Out of interest are you able to comment on a thread WITHOUT starting a massive, rude, heated argument?
 

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Orochimaru because Nagato said that Pein would be destroied if Jirayia knew his secret and Orochimaru is at least at Jirayia's level if not stronger.
Lol, you say jiraiya>pein and orochimaru>jiraiya
so, orochomaru is not the weakest who could defeat 6pop.


anyway, dont underrate him, with intel naruto +b couldn't beat nagato, and 6 path are about the same level as nagato.
 
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