Who is the strongenst Shinobi?

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This entirely my opinion,I'm not saying this has to be the 'universal truth' or anything. I can be wrong, but here goes.

From what I've seen, there r 4 candidate for the post(without so6p of course,he is out of the calculation). they r Rinnegan Madara, Hashirama Senju, Minato Namikaze and hiruzen sarutobi.

If I Go by jutsus, it might be Madara or Minato, Cause Madara Is Amazingly Too much powerful, and I haven't seen any jutsu to counter FTG properly or any jutsu powerful enough to deflect a TBB like Minato's Barrier. But If I go by the statement made in the manga, it's Sarutobi !!

Let me explain. Minato lost his life against kyuubi to save naruto. Now,no matter what the circumstance is, If u r Really that strong, you should've done better. Minato also said he is giving up his life to make naruto ready for tobi or madara........or who ever it is. That can be meant as he knew he wasn't powerful enough to stop that person, so he left the task for naruto. if you wanna say otherwise, I say we have seen a few people who could have done better in that situation,like madara,possibly nagato. my main point is minato failed to stop kyuubi and save everybody at the same time, where a few others just might can despite the circumstance.

Secondly, Ems Madara lost to Hashirama senju, Who outmatched madara in every way,according to manga. Now,how powerful has Rinnegan Madara become than Ems Madara? He sure had his susano, so it is possible that Ems Madara could also use Meteor no jutsu(i dunno the name). So the only two upgrades rinne-madara has as we've seen so far are wood release and absorbing chakra or ninjutsu. IMO,this two ability doesn't make madara massively more powerful than ems madara, may be a little. That means Rinne-madara may be equal to Hashirama, or just a little bit more powerful than him, but never super stronger than Hashirama.

Now,according to manga again, Hiruzen Sarutobi was consider the strongest Hokage. That means he was more powerful that The 1st. But how much? I think he was more powerful than Hashirama than madara was,cause if he was just a little bit more powerful, nobody would bother telling he was stronger. Instead,in that case they would say they were almost equal or the same. Sarutobi must be more powerful than hashirama with a significant power difference,otherwise it wouldn't be mentioned.

In that case, Hiruzen Sarutobi becomes the strongest ninja of all !!! O.O
It's hard for me to believe that a old hag like him was the strongest at his prime, but can't deny it with this facts in my mind. :confused:

There r other candidate who has\had the caliber to become the strongest, but either they died(itachi),or they haven't become that strong yet(naruto,sasuke).

what do u think guys? Again,these r only my thoughts,share urs, and pls don't use unreasonable words or language.
 
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Sorry, but I disagree.

Minato + Hiruzen shouldn't even be part of the top 10. They're mid-tier kage. IMO to be a top 10 character, your screen time must have expanded over into Shippuden. If it didn't then you can't make it.

Hashirama also isn't that powerful. The kyuubi is the factor that allowed him to defeat Golden Age Madara. Also much of the circumstances of that fight have not yet been revealed. It actually looks like it was Madara v Konoha, also Madara's intentions are unknown. Nevertheless Hashirama may still make top 10

Rinnegan Madara, yes. He's the most powerful along with Tobi.

But nice, nonetheless
 

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Sorry, but I disagree.

Minato + Hiruzen shouldn't even be part of the top 10. They're mid-tier kage. IMO to be a top 10 character, your screen time must have expanded over into Shippuden. If it didn't then you can't make it.

Hashirama also isn't that powerful. The kyuubi is the factor that allowed him to defeat Golden Age Madara. Also much of the circumstances of that fight have not yet been revealed. It actually looks like it was Madara v Konoha, also Madara's intentions are unknown. Nevertheless Hashirama may still make top 10

Rinnegan Madara, yes. He's the most powerful along with Tobi.

But nice, nonetheless
the red line......i dunno....what about so6p?he is not even in shippudin. it's just not logical.

If anyone can summon and use kyuubi in battle, i think that can be included in his ability or power. 'circumstances of that fight' shouldn't be a excuse for the strongest. but i personally think that it was madara, not hashirama that summon kyuubi on that battle. but that's another topic.....

Rinnegan madara.....just might be...with all the facts.......tobi..don't think so.

Thank you.
 

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the red line......i dunno....what about so6p?he is not even in shippudin. it's just not logical.
Obviously the Sage is excluded.

it is logical

If anyone can summon and use kyuubi in battle, i think that can be included in his ability or power.
Madara's power yes, Hashirama's no.


'circumstances of that fight' shouldn't be a excuse for the strongest.
Yes it should, Madara was likely stronger than Hashirama and thereby only lost due to a disadvantage during their fight.

Madara v Konoha is not fair.


Rinnegan madara.....just might be...with all the facts.......tobi..don't think so.

Thank you.
Tobi is the final villain, he should be second.
 

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Obviously the Sage is excluded.

it is logical
How? r u saying so6p doesn't make top 10??? or did i misunderstand?



Madara's power yes, Hashirama's no.

Not clear. pls, tell me how.

Yes it should, Madara was likely stronger than Hashirama and thereby only lost due to a disadvantage during their fight.

Madara v Konoha is not fair.
Where do u get that?it's clearly stated in manga that 1st outmatched madara in every single way. Am i missing something?


Tobi is the final villain, he should be second.
hmm.........may be. let's see.
 

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How? r u saying so6p doesn't make top 10??? or did i misunderstand?
No, I'm saying that it doesn't matter if he continues to appear in the manga or not. He's obviously the most powerful character



Not clear. pls, tell me how.
The kyuubi is Madara's summon, just like Gamabunta is Naruto's, Manda is Orochimaru's. It was part of his power, or skill set.

Where do u get that?it's clearly stated in manga that 1st outmatched madara in every single way. Am i missing something?
Where do you get that? I thought they were equals

In the manga, I'm sure there's a panel that says 'Madara took on/defied the Leaf' or something like that. So, he went up against both the Uchiha+Senju most likely
 

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nice thoery keep it up =] + rep and good thoery but can u tell me how minato failed in his progress? i mean he sealed the half of that fox and over all fought tobi >.>
 

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Minato + Hiruzen shouldn't even be part of the top 10. They're mid-tier kage.
So.. the one who was feared by all enemy shinobi who were told to run on sight when they spot him and the one who was called the god of shinobi are just mid-tier kage who shouldn't be top10?

How hard did you hit your head?
 

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Obviously the Sage is excluded.
Yes it should, Madara was likely stronger than Hashirama and thereby only lost due to a disadvantage during their fight.


For the love of Xevioso, can you stop sucking off the Uchiha nut stem.Madara lost to Hashirama, that is it.Stop making stupid excuses like he was at a disadvantage.Madara brought a tail beast to the battlefield.Madara had the advantage from the start and he still lost to Hashimara.
 

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Hashirama also isn't that powerful. The kyuubi is the factor that allowed him to defeat Golden Age Madara.

The kyuubi is Madara's summon, just like Gamabunta is Naruto's, Manda is Orochimaru's. It was part of his power, or skill set.
Ur statements isn't making sense to me.How could someone's summon becomes the reason of his own defeat?


Where do you get that? I thought they were equals
I can't remember exact episode or manga, but it was when he asked naruto how he was able to convince Nagato. He also said Hashirama was the strongest ninja of that time when he told sasuke the truth about itachi. and I'm pretty sure madara was alive during then.

In the manga, I'm sure there's a panel that says 'Madara took on/defied the Leaf' or something like that. So, he went up against both the Uchiha+Senju most likely
U got it wrong. I can only this one with full confident that hashirama and madara fought only 1 on 1. I can get u proof, but i don't think that will change ur mind. What have u got for the uchiha's?
 

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nice thoery keep it up =] + rep and good thoery but can u tell me how minato failed in his progress? i mean he sealed the half of that fox and over all fought tobi >.>
yes, that's pretty amazing for a hokage, but As the strongest, it's not enough. I think if nagato or hashirama or madara was there,they might've done all that and also save kushina, other villegers and more importantly himself. I could be wrong i know, just my opinion.

There also lies a fact that he couldn't finish the job of finishing tobi/madara by himself and left naruto kyuubi's power to do that job. I mean if you can't finish a job and left it for someone else, u r not the best in that section,ru?
 
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