Who is the better teacher: Orochimaru or Jiraya

[Trúth]

Anko is a fodder. You can't compare her to Kakashi Pre Shippuden because before the series even began Kakashi was known all over the world already.

Okay Minato and Nagato don't count because they were already genius.

Orochimaru also admitted that Sasuke was a natural genius that couldn't even compare to himself, and Jiraiya admitted he wanted to teach Naruto because it wasn't any fun to teach a genius. So by your own standard Sasuke doesn't count, and Naruto does. Naruto stomps everyone else on your list so the winner is Pervy Sage. Rep me b*tches.

No they dont count because for Minato he was hardly taught and Nagato never used anything Jiraiya taught him. Sasuke solos *****es

 

[Lana Del Taka]

Orochimaru. Naruto learned Odama Rasengan and that's it.

 

[Demonic.]

No they dont count because for Minato he was hardly taught and Nagato never used anything Jiraiya taught him. Sasuke solos *****es

I'm agreeing with you. Minato, Nagato, and Sasuke don't count. They were already geniuses. That leaves Naruto who was an idiot according to Jiraiya himself. Jiraiya has the best student feat.

 

[Demonic.]

Orochimaru. Naruto learned Odama Rasengan and that's it.

That's all he needs

 

[Trúth]

I'm agreeing with you. Minato, Nagato, and Sasuke don't count. They were already geniuses. That leaves Naruto who was an idiot according to Jiraiya himself. Jiraiya has the best student feat.

Lol okay but DSM Kabuto completely stomps anything lower than KCM Naruto.

 

[Rima19]

Now jiraiya is dead and orochimaru after being killed is brought back orochimaru is smart but jiraiya is kind and a better person

 

[Demonic.]

Lol okay but DSM Kabuto completely stomps anything lower than KCM Naruto.

Agreed. But Naruto still surpassed DSM Kabuto with BSM

 

[take it easy]

Lol okay if you say so about Anko. As for Minato, Jiraiya himself states he hardly had to teach him anything Minato was a genius. So yeah he's invalid. Nagato had the rinnegan, he didn't use a single thing Jiraiya taught him he's invalid as well. Oro had Sasuke, Anko, Sound 5, and Kabuto.

oro not taught sound 5 any things

 

[SIR UZMAKIMADARA]

As you guys know that i only argue with manga facts

Here's the proof of difference between orochimaru and jiraiya

look what itachi and kisame is saying about jiraiya

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What itachi did when he faced jiraiya:

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Now for orchimaru:

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[FemmeFatale]

Yeah totally since she train Sakura who was not even close to a good ninja before unlike Sasuke and Naruto! SO its true Tsunade is the best!

Sakura wasn't though, her problem was that she didn't have a sensi, she was just in a squad, kakshi didn't teach her a thing, yet her knew she had a talent for genjutsu,

I might actually agree... Sakura was a complete zero.

She wasn't lol, read above

 

[xxSAGExx]

This thread is for potential only who makes their ninja pupil more powerful Jiraya or Orochimaru

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Jiraiya without a doubt. He has Nagato, Yahiko, Konan, Minato, Naruto who are all strong. I'll go in more detail as I reply to post below.

Lol Oro stomps. Just look at the difference in those 3 years between the 2. Of course it's not fair since Jiraiya had an inept student who needs handouts to be worth more than low kage.

Naruto got no hand outs, that was Sasuke who was using drugs and/or forbidden jutsus according to Tsunade and Sakura. Also Sasuke can't beat Version 1 3 tails Naruto or version 2 4 tails so Naruto still was stronger overall.

Both kinda equal which student is better at learning tho *_*
Sasuke was capable of negg diffing Naruto after both of their training so

You do know Naruto was severely weakened even before fighting Sasuke right? Sakura stated that Naruto wasn't healed fully from going 4 tails on Orochimaru

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and Naruto stated he still haven't recovered while in Oro's hideout when he fell

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. Also Naruto was fighting handicap since he decided not to use Kurama's chakra prior the fight and was going to suppress Kurama but if Naruto wanted to use it then he automatically uses the chakra without talking to Kurama as shown when he got made at Oro. Overall Naruto has 4 tails which even Oro stated he would die against

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Oh and Oro was in better health at that time and was using ninjutsus as you can see him summoning snakes and his gates and sheding his skin.

I'd say they're equally good teachers. Naruto just wasn't the fastest learner.

This is true, he is a hands on learner where he has to feel the proper way of doing something and then he can do it. He shown to do thing when he was able to use the mini tbb in KM after Kurama helped him make the regular one in BM or when he was able to use the chakra transfer jutsu after seeing Kurama use it once on Kakashi (with his body) and having it explained to him.

Well, you'd have to take into consideration the difference in between what they taught. I believe Orochimaru is far more of a genius than Jiraiya, so he was able to use lab research to pass on his knowledge to Sasuke and Kabuto. Jiraiya was more focused on summoning and certain techniques such as Rasengan, but of course, the students both taught matters as well.

You have to also look at Nagato, Yahiko, Konan, and Minato as well. Jiraiya taught Naruto the basics, improved his taijutsu, taught him to break Genjutsu, better his Shadow clone usage, better his chakra control, better his summoning control, improved his tactics in the 3 years.

oro sasuke stomps most early shippuden and sound 5 didn't even reach their full potential. jiraiaya didn't do sht minato and nagato came out with nothing from jiraiya that made them good.

You do know Sasuke didn't stomp full power Naruto right? Naruto had to be weakened

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(Sakura stated it) Yamato wanted to send Naruto back to Konoha because of that

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. Naruto also said he still didn't recover while in Oro hideout

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. Also Naruto was handicap for not wanting to use Kurama's power prior, Naruto shown he can use Kurama's power without asking him so it's not like Sasuke can stop that since his only feat was stopping something was going to stop himself before Naruto did it.

Jiraiya trained Minato and Minato even have toad summon and SM out of it. He probably have other jutsus but his fighting style is to strike fast and hard so he relies on FTG+Kunai or FTG+Rasengan combos. Nagato knew Nothing about being a ninja before Jiraiya and Jiraiya even said Nagato was able to learn every jutsu he taught him since he could use all 6 elements.

Oro was the better one for helping Sasuke attain more power than Naruto in those training years. But the sage was better at instilling ninja values to Naruto, which then helped shape Naruto into the person that he is now.

Actually Naruto got Version 2 4 tails out of his training with Jiraiya even if he can't control it so Naruto have more power than Sasuke if you compared them both at full power. Naruto was weakened from going 4 tails against Oro so wasn't even at full power when he met Sasuke

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plus he chose not to use Kurama's power. Sasuke wasn't able to read Bee's movement in 3 tail mode unless Bee was moving in a linear movement and had Karin keep track of Bee, Naruto's 3 tail mode is stronger than Bee's being the 9 tails Jin.

this is not even debatable sasuke took care of naruto(jirajya's pupil) sakura(tsunade's pupil),sai and yamoto without breaking a sweat in orochimaru's hideout. oro neg diffs

Oh so you chose not to add the fact that Naruto almost killed the very teacher of Sasuke's prior to meeting Sasuke and was left weakened from the fight?

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He also chose not to use Kurama's power when he have the power to be Sasuek had he used it. Naruto doesn't need to talk to Kurama for his chakra as show when he automatically start using it on Deidara, Orochimaru, in his training to learn wind Rasengan and so on so full power Naruto going chakra cloak is stronger and would beat Sasuke at that point in time.

Lol okay if you say so about Anko. As for Minato, Jiraiya himself states he hardly had to teach him anything Minato was a genius. So yeah he's invalid. Nagato had the rinnegan, he didn't use a single thing Jiraiya taught him he's invalid as well. Oro had Sasuke, Anko, Sound 5, and Kabuto.

No, he still trained Minato who he got as a Genin. Sasuke was a prodigy and still had to get training from Kakashi and Orochimaru even called Sasuke one plus said Sasuke have power in his eyes that surpasses Itachi's so that means if Minato is out then so is Sasuke. Nagato knew nothing about how to use his power or anything until Jiraiya trained him and he mastered every jutsu Jiraiya "taught" him so yes Nagato learned a lot from Jiraiya as did Yahiko and Konan. Minato wouldn't graduate from the Academy knowing how to walk on trees, water, break Genjutsu, summoning toads, know SM, he also knows shadow clone which Jiraiya also had. Kabuto is a medical ninja, Orochimaru never trained him in that; he taught him science not train Kabuto so that's not the same thing if you're talking about ninja training like that other students. Without Jiraiya training, his students wouldn't have develop to where they are now since he did teach them, that's like me saying Oro taught Sasuke nothing since he used his Sharingan to just copy everything.

This thread is for potential only who makes their ninja pupil more powerful Jiraya or Orochimaru

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oro took on him and tsunade with no arms lmao

An Armless Oro against a poisoned Jiraiya who was roughly around 30% his power plus physically weaken and Tsunade who was suffering from mental breakdown of her fear of blood....

 

[Suono]

Oro wins this hands down.

 

[xxSAGExx]

Lol okay but DSM Kabuto completely stomps anything lower than KCM Naruto.

Yeah because he have Edo Tensei, strictly DSM Kabuto can't beat SM Naruto though. You do know the majority of Kabuto's SM jutsus are most effective in a cave setting right? He also doesn't gain every enhancement as Naruto's SM since he showed no enhanced strength, enhanced speed, or recovery rate. Kabuto shown use sensory, increased power of jutsus (Senjutsu is a stronger chakra than regular chakra) and then he uses Karin, Suigetsu's, sound 5, and Oro's DNA to use their jutsus or abilities. Kabuto has his snake to gather natural energy for him while Naruto have 2 Sage toads who can aid him in strategies and use other jutsus like boiling oil and frog song.

Itachi said locational advantage when they were talking to Kabuto

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so his SM jutsu like white noise or the jutsu that controls the environment wouldn't be as effective outside plus Naruto doesn't need to rely on his sight since he also have Sensory abilities. Lets look at white noise, Kabuto use it in a cave which is normally dark and have walls which the sound can bounce off but how effective is it going to be outside in the day when the sound will go outwards and be less effective?

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. His Muki Tensei is affected by heat which is what the Sun gives and Naruto can use boiling oil with the toads since Pa toad stated Naruto learned Sage jutsus to an extend and that was in Pein arc.

Kimimaru's bones were broken by part 1 Gaara's shield, Gaara barely used Shukaku's powers since when he does use a lot of it he tend to lose control to Shukaku's will. Naruto's SM strength can break those. Naruto also can summon 3 giant toads who each were handling Nagato's summons and you would think the Rinnegan's summons would be strong. Naruto can attack Kabuto with shadow clones from all angles and with his frog kata which can extend his reach with a 1 hit power and sensory abilities of their own, what does Kabuto have to handle that? Sure Kabuto can sense and see the natural energy but Naruto is the one who have the enhance speed, strength, durability and numbers to overwhelm Kabuto. Plus there's no surviving FRS which killed 2 of Kakuza's hearts at about 50% completed. Let alone Chou FRS. Suigetsu himself was left a puddle after using the water in the area to increase his size to take Bee's tbb, Kabuto never shown to add a body of water to increase his defense that way. Also Frog song paralyze the body and mind while Tayuya's is only body.

 

[Scooby Doo]

Both are pervs

 

[The Masked Sage]

I say orochi

 

[FlyingRaijinLVL2]

Orochimaru. Naruto didn't start getting strong until after the timeskip.

 

[Nifrum]

Orochimaru may be a pedophile, but he's a damn good teacher.

 

[Eveangela]

Well, you'd have to take into consideration the difference in between what they taught. I believe Orochimaru is far more of a genius than Jiraiya, so he was able to use lab research to pass on his knowledge to Sasuke and Kabuto. Jiraiya was more focused on summoning and certain techniques such as Rasengan, but of course, the students both taught matters as well.

This ^^^^^