[Question] Who is stronger Pica or Diamante?

[Hijey]

You might as well copy and pasted Speculation Speculation Speculation Speculation and it would've been an more interesting read.

Only reason Law beat Vergo was because his DF allowed him too. I wonder if a physical fighter like Luffy would've penetrated Vergo's full haki form, as his normal form was enough for Sanji and Smoker to be done in.

Your theory about the special squad is made out of thin air, it might as well mean that he has some useful devil fruit tricks made to stall or trap.

Why Zoro won't fight ? I never said he wouldn't but Violet and Kin'emon are also still there, and never take a raging Luffy out of the calculation who also fought Blueno before he fought Lucci.

Vergo was suspected to bring in Law, a card seat, but the didn't expect this kind of growth from him. And it still doesn't make sense why you can be the most important marine in a group of 1 marines. He would automatically also be the worst.

You say you and I know both that Diamante is too weak, well please speak for yourself because I haven't sen him do anything yet, he is the unbeaten king of the Arena so he definitely is not a push over. And Spartan is not confirmed as Kyros, Kyros will most likely be the toy soldier.

And this is based on facts, not on air.

Which is part of his power. By that logic, only reason Zoro beat X is cause his sword allowed him to. Law's haki was strong enough to allow him to cut Vergo. Vergo came with his best defence but it failed to withstand Law's strongest attack, that's all there was to it. Smoker's CoA was strong enough to equally trade blows with Vergo and he was also portrayed to be above Vergo when we saw panels of their fight. Smoker lost in the end because that was part of his plan. Luffy is probably physically stronger than Smoker and has at the very least as good CoA as him so he'd be able to beat Vergo. Sanji is leans more towards CoO and he's quite a bit weaker than Luffy.

Doflamingo sent Buffalo and Baby-5 to retrieve CC who is important to Doflamingo and those two are part of that the Pica army. We already have the Trebol army that have that sort of devil fruit abilities.

So, Zoro who has been stomping his opponents since the timeskip isn't going to have a proper 1 on 1 fight? We're 3 arcs in after the TS and Doflamingo and his men are the first enemies strong enough to show us the limits of the SH two year training. Also, it seems like Kinemon left Luffy and Co seeing as he wasn't with them when Pica appeared. He probably went to look for his friend. The Blueno and the Pica situation is different. First of all, Luffy was by himself when Blueno confronted him so he had to take care of him. Secondly, Blueno was weak enough to be a warm up for Luffy and Luffy can't do against the card seats/Vergo who are on his level. With Pica, he isn't alone so he can leave it to someone who can handle the guy - Zoro. Violet should be around the strength of Buffalo/Machvice/Senior Pink since she's lined up with them on the diagram like how the leaders are so she'll only get herself killed in the crossfire because she's far too weak and she'll get in the way.

Exactly. Doflamingo didn't know how much stronger Law became and he was never given the seat because he wasn't strong enough at the time. He reserved the seat for him which means he saw potential in him. He is the most important because of his marine status.

Too weak to fight all of those people at once which is true. Is that really so difficult to see? He's in the same general level as Vergo and the other seats and there are three other people(Sabo could possibly be stronger than the main arc villain like how Ace was compared to Crocodile) who also are at that level. He's definitely getting stomped if it's 1v3. Like I said, the two strongest will probably go at it(Sabo, Burgess) while Diamante is occupied with Bartolomeo and Rebecca.

@Hijey

Its funny you say Zoro fights the strongest to back your claim, where was he in Punk Hazard when Sanji fought Vergo and Zoro fought fodder Monet? Imo Diamante has been portrayed to be above Pica.

You got it wrong man. You would have been correct if Sanji was the one to finish off the strongest enemy on the island, but he didn't. Sanji didn't have a Jyabura/Mr.2 etc on PH like Luffy and Zoro. They only traded couple blows and that's all there was to their skirmish.

Also I just reread the new chapter again and I noticed this:

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Oda hinting at Diamante/Pica>Vergo>Trebol? I don't know. I for one wouldn't sit well with having Dofla's strongest, Vergo like some people think, to lose that quickly. Imo it's either Dia/Pica and Vergo is slightly stronger/weaker than whoever is #2 seat leader.

 

[ToshiZO]

You say it yourself. Law was a reserved heart seat, which means in Doflamingo's mind, he wasn't there yet but had the potential. So all what was confirmed was that in Doflamingo's mind, Vergo was stronger than a non-heart seat level opponent, which could range from Monet to Diamante as open intervals

We don't know how much level of strength Law had in Doflamingo's mind. All what we know is that he was waiting for him to grow strong enough to occupy the position. We don't know how much level of strength Doflamingo wanted Law to achieve to give him the heart seat position

We see now however that Doflamingo decided to put a defeated Law in the heart seat(who stomped Vergo), which could mean that Doflamingo think that Law now has enough strength to occupy the position, but it wasn't the case before

Well Like I said its still speculation. We dont know if DD thought Law was on par with the other seats ofcourse, but still he expected Vergo to stomp a reserved seat, so that at the least doesn't mean anything negative its just neutral at the least, on the bright side it mean he has confidence in Vergo to stomp a reserved heart seat and we dont know when Law was gonna be one but Im thinking it was very soon.

The fact that he tied Law to the seat means nothing really, he was probably gonna give Law the seat regardless, Law becoming a shichibukai should have warranted it.

And again, Vergo was his oldest subordinate which in One Piece many times translates to strongest.

@Hijey
Yes thats true, but than going by what you said Luffy didn't even fight the strongest guy in that arc. Vergo >>> Caesar.

Also that heading doesn't mean that. Its just implying that the top executives have made their move. Pica and Diamante are both Top executives over Lao G, Senor Pink etc. those guys are the lower executives.

 

[Hijey]

But 99.9% of the time, that's the case. I'm going by the scenario that is much more likely to happen.

Good point.