Who is a good match-up for Base Jiraiya and Sage Mode Jiraiya

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I was just wandering who was a good match-up for Sage Mode Jiraiya, and Base Jiraiya. Also was wondering what tier you put each of them at.

I put Sage Mode Jiraiya in ---- Any tier Itachi is at (not saying he would win, but just as "talented")

I put Base Jiraiya in ---- Any tier Kakazu / Deidara / Sasori / MS Sasuke is in.


Your thoughts?
 

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What? Ms Sasuke Destroys base jiraiya. IMO everyone else you listed does to. (besisdes sasori)
And itachi is far more talented that jiraiya. Keep in mind itachi is 21 and jiraiya is in his 50's or 60's
 

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Well jiraya without sage mode faced 4 tail kyuubi/naruto and took on itachi + kisame with confidance so base jiraya also has gr8 potential..... i made a thread like that some time back

you could say he could defeat the current kages one on one.
 

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Jiraiya is not on Itachi's level.

How would Base Jiraiya feasibly beat Deidara? Just wondering...
 

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Sage mode Jiraiya was somewhere around Nagato's level. Nagato said himself he wouldn't be able to beat Jiraiya had he known of his ''secret'' beforehand.

Base Jiraiya was somewhere around mid kage level.
 

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SM Jiraiya - Itachi, Kisame fused w/Samehada, Kakashi, Minato, Gaara, A, Onoki, Sasuke, Sage Mode Naruto.

Base Jiraiya - Hiruzen, Guy, Giant Butterfly Mode Choji, Tsunade, Mei, Sasori, Kakuzu, Base Kisame.

I know Kakashi and Guy should always be in the same tier, but Guy's lack of intellect is what made me seperate them.
 
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Jiraiya is not on Itachi's level.

How would Base Jiraiya feasibly beat Deidara? Just wondering...

I am not saying that Jiraiya would beat anybody on this list, just saying he is around these guys level.

Sage Mode Jiraiya is on Itachi's level. Jiraiya vs Deidara would be a good match though!
 

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MS Sasuke eats Diedara for breakfast... Don't forget who got Diedara killed in the first place... MS Sasuke would equally defeat Sasori, Kakuzu. He's in a tier just above those lot. If you really want to determine whether Base Jiraiya is in the same tier as MS Sasuke, you need to make a list of Base Jiraiya's abilities and attacks and MS Sasuke's. Personally, I can't think of how any of Base Jiraiya's moves gives a sufficient attack for the combo of Susano and Amaterasu. Base Jiraiya could bully MS Sasuke for a while with the toads but...

Actually, I think the combo of the toads techniques match MS Sasuke's, since they provide MS Sasuke with the challenge of multiple enemies with water and fire techniques that would be very challenging for MS Sasuke to continually keep up with. Ultimately, yeah, I can see why they might be on the same level. But definitely not Diedara and MS Sasuke. Shippuden Sasuke solo'd Diedara; why on earth would he be on the level of a version of Sasuke that is so much more superior to his last version.
 
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Base jiraya< kakuzu SM jiraya > kakuzu but jiraya winning the fight is debatable .
 

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MS Sasuke eats Diedara for breakfast... Don't forget who got Diedara killed in the first place... MS Sasuke would equally defeat Sasori, Kakuzu. He's in a tier just above those lot. If you really want to determine whether Base Jiraiya is in the same tier as MS Sasuke, you need to make a list of Base Jiraiya's abilities and attacks and MS Sasuke's. Personally, I can't think of how any of Base Jiraiya's moves gives a sufficient attack for the combo of Susano and Amaterasu. Base Jiraiya could bully MS Sasuke for a while with the toads.

Actually, I think the combo of the toads techniques match MS Sasuke's, since they provide MS Sasuke with the challenge of multiple enemies with water and fire techniques that would be very challenging for MS Sasuke to continually keep up with. Ultimately, yeah, I can see why they might be on the same level. But definitely not Diedara and MS Sasuke. Shippuden Sasuke solo'd Diedara; why on earth would he be on the level of a version of Sasuke that is so much more superior to his last version.

Him beating Sasori is debatable the only thing that would work on sasori .. would be susunoo.. amertarasu is countered by the fact that he could just switch his body ... and Genjutsu doesnt work ..
 

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MS Sasuke eats Diedara for breakfast... Don't forget who got Diedara killed in the first place... MS Sasuke would equally defeat Sasori, Kakuzu. He's in a tier just above those lot. If you really want to determine whether Base Jiraiya is in the same tier as MS Sasuke, you need to make a list of Base Jiraiya's abilities and attacks and MS Sasuke's. Personally, I can't think of how any of Base Jiraiya's moves gives a sufficient attack for the combo of Susano and Amaterasu. Base Jiraiya could bully MS Sasuke for a while with the toads.

Actually, I think the combo of the toads techniques match MS Sasuke's, since they provide MS Sasuke with the challenge of multiple enemies with water and fire techniques that would be very challenging for MS Sasuke to continually keep up with. Ultimately, yeah, I can see why they might be on the same level. But definitely not Diedara and MS Sasuke. Shippuden Sasuke solo'd Diedara; why on earth would he be on the level of a version of Sasuke that is so much more superior to his last version.

Well, I think Sasori and Kakazu could have their way with Sasuke MS. I am just stating Jiraiya is on the same level as those guys. I am not saying that he could bend them over on his knee and spank them. It is just a difference of opinion I guess. No point argueing about it. :)
 

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I was just wandering who was a good match-up for Sage Mode Jiraiya, and Base Jiraiya. Also was wondering what tier you put each of them at.

I put Sage Mode Jiraiya in ---- Any tier Itachi is at (not saying he would win, but just as "talented")

I put Base Jiraiya in ---- Any tier Kakazu / Deidara / Sasori / MS Sasuke is in.


Your thoughts?

Idk ms sasuke would beat base j-man I don't see him dodgeing the amateratsu arrows at all in base form..nor will he beat diedara but I think base j-man vs kakuza would be a good fight.
 
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Idk ms sasuke would beat base j-man I don't see him dodgeing the amateratsu arrows at all in base form..nor will he beat diedara but I think base j-man vs zakuza would be a good fight.

Thank you for your input! Thanks for not bashing either!
 

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Him beating Sasori is debatable the only thing that would work on sasori .. would be susunoo.. amertarasu is countered by the fact that he could just switch his body ... and Genjutsu doesnt work ..

I had a good think about what MS Sasuke can do. The Susano arrows, Susano itself, Amaterasu, the analytic skills. Even if Sasori switches bodies, MS Sasuke will figure out his secret and after then, it is not difficult to kill Sasori, much like Chiyo did. The thing that really seperates MS Sasuke and Sasori in tier is the fact that there isn't really anything Sasori can do to harm MS Sasuke mostly because he can't do anything against Susano, and Amaterasu, large scale Susano arrow and the extremely long and large Chidori are things that have proven to cause the 8 Tails, MS Kakashi, the Raikage and Danzo near-death due to their extreme power and speed. MS Sasuke and Sasori play different ball games.

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Well, I think Sasori and Kakazu could have their way with Sasuke MS. I am just stating Jiraiya is on the same level as those guys. I am not saying that he could bend them over on his knee and spank them. It is just a difference of opinion I guess. No point argueing about it.

I respect your opinion. I'm just determining whether I think it's true. I actually see how Base Jiraiya is on Sasori, Kakuzu and Diedara's level because they seem to have around the same scope and level of arsenal even though I think he would defeat them, but definitely not with ease. But if I agree with that, then I would have to put MS Sasuke in a league above Base Jiraiya because the way I see it, like somebody previously said, Base Jiraiya is on the level of each of the 5 Kage (except maybe Onoki cos there's a certain underrated deadliness to the particle jutsu) and MS Sasuke is too.

The thing is, the more I think about it, the more abilities of Jiraiya's that I remember and realise are his base abilities and that they have the potential to make a battle of Jiraiya's against Sasori, Kakazu and Diedara more of a mid-high difficulty battle than a high-extremely high difficulty battle and that puts me in the opinion of Base Jiraiya being in a tier above Sasori, Kakuzu and Diedara, like MS Sasuke, and MS Sasuke and Base Jiraiya being in the same tier. But I think to reinforce your post or opinion, you might like to list Base Jiraiya's abilities as they help to make the opinion more convincing.
 

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I had a good think about what MS Sasuke can do. The Susano arrows, Susano itself, Amaterasu, the analytic skills. Even if Sasori switches bodies, MS Sasuke will figure out his secret and after then, it is not difficult to kill Sasori, much like Chiyo did. The thing that really seperates MS Sasuke and Sasori in tier is the fact that there isn't really anything Sasori can do to harm MS Sasuke mostly because he can't do anything against Susano, and Amaterasu, large scale Susano arrow and the extremely long and large Chidori are things that have proven to cause the 8 Tails, MS Kakashi, the Raikage and Danzo near-death due to their extreme power and speed. MS Sasuke and Sasori play different ball games.



I respect your opinion. I'm just determining whether I think it's true. I actually see how Base Jiraiya is on Sasori, Kakuzu and Diedara's level because they seem to have around the same scope and level of arsenal even though I think he would defeat them, but definitely not with ease. But if I agree with that, then I would have to put MS Sasuke in a league above Base Jiraiya because the way I see it, like somebody previously said, Base Jiraiya is on the level of each of the 5 Kage (except maybe Onoki cos there's a certain underrated deadliness to the particle jutsu) and MS Sasuke is too.

The thing is, the more I think about it, the more abilities of Jiraiya's that I remember and realise are his base abilities and that they have the potential to make a battle of Jiraiya's against Sasori, Kakazu and Diedara more of a mid-high difficulty battle than a high-extremely high difficulty battle and that puts me in the opinion of Base Jiraiya being in a tier above Sasori, Kakuzu and Diedara, like MS Sasuke, and MS Sasuke and Base Jiraiya being in the same tier. But I think to reinforce your post or opinion, you might like to list Base Jiraiya's abilities as they help to make the opinion more convincing.

Very descriptive!
 

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Idk he's probably in the top 15-20
 
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