[Question] Who honestly expected trebol to be vice captain?
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Off what grounds?
First time the Doffy pirates were revealed I thought it was diamanté, now there was a recent chapter that stated Peeka being the highest executive, I decided to abide by that until further notice.
I never said was or was not being biased, you on the other hand just made this ironic.
@bold: biased, because you believe it is obvious Vergo is when nothing indicated that he is.
See now you're making this up...
Vergo never laid a hand on Sanji, post a scan saying otherwise.
Where did Trebol get f*cked over by Law?
He took radio knife to trap law for Doffy
Evaded enjection shot, and I never said that Trebol is vice captain either.
See, biased already...
I don't care about your opinion, I just want proof of this being stated
I hope you know that it was Vergo who got his head smashed into the wall twice by sanji's diablo jambei
Sanji didn't use Haki either
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Logic.
How am I making this ironic? I never said I wasn't bias. Everyone is bias (and fyi everyone encompasses myself too.)
Okay that's fair enough, I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree on where Vergo stands.
I'm not making f*ck all up.
Vergo didn't need to lay a hand on Sanji. He won a fight without fighting.
Radio Knife. Doesn't matter why he took the hit, he can't put himself back together.
So are you? So is everyone?
You use bias as if it's an offense or crime of some kind, when in actual fact for discussions such as this there has to be bias, otherwise I would argue both sides in a one person debate for everyone to look at and think I'm maniacal. Bias is human nature and nothing to belittle.
I know. And if Vergo survived that it shows his immense durability.
Sanji did use Haki. It's not easy to see when he's wearing shiny black shoes and black trousers already...
Well you certainly like believing your opinions are factual...Vergo is the only one of the elite executives to get any significant acknowledgement to be closer to Doflamingo than any of the others...
Not really...I mean Sanji and Law were also trashed by Vergo...in speed and physical capabilities my opinion isn't as biased as you think more based on logical assumptions.
It was a mid diff fight at best Vergo never used Haki which he is known for nor did he use his bamboo stick his primary weapon Sanji never cracked through Vergo's iron mass at all he tried to trade blows with a non Haki version of Vergo and was trashed I like Sanji but facts are facts.
Not to mention Sanji admitted he would have lost if the fight continued.
Well one thing is for certain is Law's health was far better when he was battling Vergo then when he was battling Trebol fact. Next time you bring up conclusions and opinions can you make them less half assed and stupid please.
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I wouldn't say it makes much sense for it to be Corazon tbh. Vergo was slated to be with him the longest, and Roci went missing for about 8 years right? If anything, I think Vergo was the closest to his right hand man, but Doffy never officially selected one until he met Law.
That's actually exactly what happened to Trebol. Vergo kept his integrity the entire time, while Trebol begged Law not to hurt him. That at least puts Vergo ahead of Trebol in one way aside from battle strength.
He also immediately said "I'm joking" after saying dating someone Doffy can't easily defeat.
Pica is actually a Paramecia.
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The question is about who is the vice-captain, not who is the strongest. Not sure why people are arguing over who is the strongest. As it stands yes Vergo is stronger than the rest. However, it doesn't make him a vice-captain considering he has never been portrayed as such. Doflamingo simply has no vice-captain in his crew. His crew is working similarly to that of Arlong with elite officers working under him and below them underlings
As for the ranking question i'm not completely certain about them excluding Vergo. Oda clearly didn't want to create a hierarchie among them during this arc(just like for Arlong) making it hard to know exactly the ranking. Those who really want to believe this are just fooling themselves. For the one saying Law one-shoted Trebol, i'd say true and wrong. True because it actually happened, but wrong because such a poster is ignoring the circumstance that allowed it to happen. Trebol was completely off-guard, not even understanding that Luffy attacking Law was part of their plan, cheering for him, making him drop his guard and attention to when Law switched his place with Doflamingo(you can even notice that when he actually realises Law is under him, it was already too late), making him enter Law's range of radio knife in a vulnerable position. Latest chapter showed how dangerous it is when even Doflamingo(dropping his guard and attention because of Law's words) got hit by injection shot and even the idiot Trebol noticed it before him, so no, it doesn't prove much. Take a note as well how Law was worry to finish Trebol fast after he got hit by radio knife. It showed how serious of a threat Law was finding Trebol to be
Only feats can help to judge the difference between seats(considering hype can't) and while it's true Vergo prevails in the category, i don't think the difference is that great especially after latest chapter
Lao G is out of his prime(just like Chinjao), yet he is gaining the upperhand against him at the moment in a fight that would likely go around mid-high difficulty win for Chinjao. Let's say he'd win mid difficulty for whatever reason. The weakest seat should at least be able to mid diff Lao G himself(maybe even low) considering he is the underling, puting him at the very least on pointy head Chinjao level. Luffy had a medium difficulty fight against flat head Chinjao. With his pointy head, the difficulty should normally increase, but if i were generous, i'd leave it at around high difficulty win. Which also means that it would take Luffy around high difficulty to defeat the weakest seat in a fair fight. So if Luffy has to go to high difficulty(with current feats) to defeat the weakest seat, no way in hell is the difference between Vergo and the other seats that great unless you people think Vergo is stronger than Luffy(another idiocy)
Chinjao also help to see another comparison. We're talking here about a Chinjao who showed comparable haki and combat ability to Luffy with Luffy finally overpowering with gear attacks. I'm pointing this out for people who get their panties wet because of Vergo's haki. Lao G doesn't seem to be a haki user when Chinjao is, yet he can still injure and fight him without many problems. So if someone who doesn't appear to master haki can fight a haki master like Chinjao with no problems why are people thinking that because Vergo showed haki it makes him on a total different level than seats(who should be above that someone)?
As for the ranking question i'm not completely certain about them excluding Vergo. Oda clearly didn't want to create a hierarchie among them during this arc(just like for Arlong) making it hard to know exactly the ranking. Those who really want to believe this are just fooling themselves. For the one saying Law one-shoted Trebol, i'd say true and wrong. True because it actually happened, but wrong because such a poster is ignoring the circumstance that allowed it to happen. Trebol was completely off-guard, not even understanding that Luffy attacking Law was part of their plan, cheering for him, making him drop his guard and attention to when Law switched his place with Doflamingo(you can even notice that when he actually realises Law is under him, it was already too late), making him enter Law's range of radio knife in a vulnerable position. Latest chapter showed how dangerous it is when even Doflamingo(dropping his guard and attention because of Law's words) got hit by injection shot and even the idiot Trebol noticed it before him, so no, it doesn't prove much. Take a note as well how Law was worry to finish Trebol fast after he got hit by radio knife. It showed how serious of a threat Law was finding Trebol to be
Only feats can help to judge the difference between seats(considering hype can't) and while it's true Vergo prevails in the category, i don't think the difference is that great especially after latest chapter
Lao G is out of his prime(just like Chinjao), yet he is gaining the upperhand against him at the moment in a fight that would likely go around mid-high difficulty win for Chinjao. Let's say he'd win mid difficulty for whatever reason. The weakest seat should at least be able to mid diff Lao G himself(maybe even low) considering he is the underling, puting him at the very least on pointy head Chinjao level. Luffy had a medium difficulty fight against flat head Chinjao. With his pointy head, the difficulty should normally increase, but if i were generous, i'd leave it at around high difficulty win. Which also means that it would take Luffy around high difficulty to defeat the weakest seat in a fair fight. So if Luffy has to go to high difficulty(with current feats) to defeat the weakest seat, no way in hell is the difference between Vergo and the other seats that great unless you people think Vergo is stronger than Luffy(another idiocy)
Chinjao also help to see another comparison. We're talking here about a Chinjao who showed comparable haki and combat ability to Luffy with Luffy finally overpowering with gear attacks. I'm pointing this out for people who get their panties wet because of Vergo's haki. Lao G doesn't seem to be a haki user when Chinjao is, yet he can still injure and fight him without many problems. So if someone who doesn't appear to master haki can fight a haki master like Chinjao with no problems why are people thinking that because Vergo showed haki it makes him on a total different level than seats(who should be above that someone)?
Hmm I do agree with this in some kind of way however I do believe Vergo's presence is slightly more significant than the other elite executives.
It's all a matter of perspective really...honestly I don't see Chinjao as that much of a threat unless he hits someone directly with his head and as seen against Lao G someone with a superior speed is more than capable of giving him a tough fight.
Actually I'd say there isn't that much of a difference between Vergo and Luffy in regards to actual strength level...honestly I'd say Vergo has the better Haki I mean we can't be sure Luffy would beat Vergo just because Law did the two characters have 2 completely different fighting styles...now I'm not saying Luffy would lose all I'm saying is an outcome between Luffy and Vergo isn't something we can guarantee Luffy winning unless we see some more feats from him.
Lao G seems to be a formidable martial artist not to mention quite quick which against Chinjao who uses more slow attacks is clearly at a disadvantage. The reason why people are impressed with Vergo's level of Haki is because so far he has shown the greatest feat with CoA he's coated his entire body now whether his CoA is the strongest so far is irrelevant fact is he's shown the most impressive control with it.
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I'm genuinely curious as to why you do this. Why, when presented with a concise argument, even it it may be wrong, you opt to insult, be rude, be profane and dismiss it? You speak down on him, saying he has nothing important to say and presenting his opinions, but the latter is exactly what everyone here does. We present our opinions and the facts that led us to have these opinions. Are you just genuinely incapable of debating, but see others doing it and want to be part really badly, so you try your best then resort to these insulting, overly hostile posts?
You are truly reminiscent of the little kid who brings his basketball out, but when he sucks on the court and gets pissed, snatches the ball and takes it back home. I'm just really curious as to why you allow yourself to become engaged in debates and discussions, and then resort to unneeded hostility instead of actually debating. I mean, I have my own guess as to why, but no better answer about you can come from anyone but you.
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That's fine, since he said that he was joking in the end it can't be used as a ground for anything.
What I want is facts...That's it
Vergo was called an elite officer by the tontatte, while a chapter was dedicated to Peeka of being the highest executive.
Even diamanté before the dressrosa arc started, was called by Doffy to be his most trustworthy.
In short, these officers were praised and there from the very beginning of Doffy's incident.
For me, somebody that was taken out before the main arc even began shouldn't be considered Vice Captain.
Vice captain usually falls short right after the captain has been defeated, it's been that way for almost every pirate the strawhats engage with.
So obviously whoever gets defeated next of the three is not vice captain
Yes, because the post that I receieved was so friendly and well manner.
Already you failed to see that and decide to support a fellow member that you are in good terms with.
Nothing was compelling or worth bother, so I retaliated with whatever is dished out to me.
if I suck at basket, I simply walk away
If another person throws a basket ball at me, I simply through it back
This stupid example you gave here is pointless.
Especially when I solve my physical problems by simply shooting them.
That way they can't live to tell the story...
Being a brat all over again
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He said one sentence with some hostility after five sentences of argument. You offered no arguments towards the discussion at hand, and nothing but hostility. I can find several instances other than just this where you resort to comments that are some combination of profane, condescending, petty and insulting rather than addressing their argument. My question is, why do you insist on getting into debates and carry on debates if you're just gonna cop out and act like a child midway through? By the way, that was the point of my analogy; you're trying to do something, but at a moment when you can't, you act like a brat. I mean, you're calling me a brat when you respond to people with stuff like this:
VariaBossX;17924384 Read my post again instead of lashing with your emotion. You are too arrogant and stupid to see that you are WRONG. 1. Pissed on you about 2. Pissed on you 3. Complete and utter shat you on you for that stupid naruto comment you made. [/QUOTE said:
Already failed to see the big picture, nobody is debating anything here.
This "petty," insult that is happening here, is in retialation to another insult I receive.
There was no valid point being made here, only a broken record that has no use to me whatsoever.
Going out of your way to start something out of nothing to do with the thread at hand is childish.
Why don't you take a look at the beginning of all this garbage, it started with you replying/quoting me that was intented for OP.
You are not relevant...
Do you have anything product to say or you're going to play judge Judy all day?
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@Bolded: Way to perpetuate the very behavior you're being accused of and trying to defend yourself about. Once against resorting to hostility.
Nobody is debating anything? Uhhh, every part of his post but the very last sentence was an argument for the debate, or is the last sentence all you focused on?
It actually all started here with you when you called his opinions biased because they were different from yours
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And it's vehemently clear that you still are resorting to insults and hostility. I guess this form of compensation if just your aesthetic.
Amateur? Sorry I forgot you were a pro debater throughout your entire posts you haven't posted anything that could be counted as a logical post. My opinions are based around facts not just blind fanboyism like you seem to do.
Honestly I think you're the one that should get lost...possibly become a better human being then come back once of course you have a reasonable argument other than of course insults that quite frankly a toddler could think of.
>_> haaa... what happens actually... nvm
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Naww...
Trebol is not confirmed to be the vice captain. He's the executives, same goes with Vergo, Rosinante, Diamante and Pica. Seems like Doffy hasn't appointed a vice captain in the crew, just like Luffy. It is highly to be assumed that Trebol was a boss of some group or something in the past as he met little Doffy, plus he was the one supported Doffy to choose his current path of life so it's not really a surprise to see they both been paired up several times in panels.
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Naww...
Trebol is not confirmed to be the vice captain. He's the executives, same goes with Vergo, Rosinante, Diamante and Pica. Seems like Doffy hasn't appointed a vice captain in the crew, just like Luffy. It is highly to be assumed that Trebol was a boss of some group or something in the past as he met little Doffy, plus he was the one supported Doffy to choose his current path of life so it's not really a surprise to see they both been paired up several times in panels.