[Discussion] Who has the strongest haki...
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Characters don't need to say "HAKI PUNCH" or "HAKI KICK" out loud. How did you know he didn't show any CoA? CoA enhances DF ability, maybe his entei is that destructive because of haki. Also the smoker argument doesn't work, they clashed for like 5 seconds. So I guess mihawk don't have haki because he hasn't shown it?
Rayleigh said it takes 2 years to master the basics of haki. Ace has been out in the sea for three years. He spent one year with his spade crew until he had to abandon them because of WB. He spent a lot of time to try to kill WB and eventually gave up cause he was too weak. So that leaves us under 2 years for him to train haki. Instead because he was a logia and was under WB's protection he made a name for himself.
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Why are you bringing in Mihawk into this? Are you saying a top tier who is in his 40s doesn't have haki? The guy who trained Zoro in haki + the way of sword? I mean, if he didn't have haki Vista would have been the WGS and beaten the shit out of Mihawk during the war.
Smoker who had no way to hurt Ace and the latter able to do so because of haki was undamaged. Why would Ace not kill a logia who was after his brother?
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Ace fought NW captains during his time under WB. Hmm, are you trying to say Ace was never aware of CoA?
Yep based on what you're saying. "Because Ace haven't shown to use CoA or screamed HAKI KICK, HAKI PUNCH". Like Ace, Mihawk also haven't shown to use haki. You do not need haki to fight vista as a WSSM, reaction speed(CoO), swordsmanship+strength/Endurance+Durability(CoA). Basic physical stats could be used to replace haki. Also we didn't see how Zoro's training went beside fighting bamboos, maybe he learned it like other SN did by fighting. It was a clash for 5 seconds... You can't really say anything about that fight. Ugh, Ace wasn't so bloodlusted to kill Smoker like how he did against Akainu. He was trying to get luffy out of there not fight him. Look what happened with Akainu, Ace was so bloodlusted against Akainu that even though he knew Akainu was a logia he went and attack him. So I don't see your logic there, "Ace ran away because Ace can't touch smoker".
You do need to have haki to fight Vista on equal grounds. Mihawk doesn't need to show he has haki. We already know he has haki because he's the world's greatest swordsman as well as he taught haki to Zoro. Ace could have been aware of haki and probably planned to train haki, but we don't know for sure. I don't know why I'm discussing this. Ace did not have the other two types of haki, but unless you have solid proof Ace had the other two types of haki. With that said, I'll stop replying from now on unless you show proper proof.
WhistleBlower
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Conquerors haki = Shanks. Hands down
Observation haki = Rayleigh. His just too goddamn good. Remember Shabondy?
Arnament haki = Vergo, he looked freaken beast!!
Observation haki = Rayleigh. His just too goddamn good. Remember Shabondy?
Arnament haki = Vergo, he looked freaken beast!!
Are you really arguing with me that Mihawk have haki? That is just an example to your logic. What is this based on? If you don't need proof for mihawk why do you need proof for Ace? Yes, Mihawk is the WSSM but Ace fought in the NW for 2 years. It's stupid to think NW fodder has haki but Ace don't. Are you really arguing with me that Mihawk have haki? That is just an example to your logicYou don't need a trainer to learn haki. Look at smoker, tashigi, SN, etc. Did they have a trainer? Doubt it. You need solid proof for Ace but not mihawk. Like I said, characters don't need to say HAKI KICK OR HAKI PUNCH to know how to use CoA or touch a logia. So I guess every commander below 5th don't have haki? NW captains under WB don't have haki? Haki is a daily thing in the NW, Ace beat a NW captain and he fought in the NW for 2 years, all the proof I need. Ace is a DF *****, all I can say is that his haki is not that strong. If Ace didn't have haki, he would of become pure fodder shit in the world's strongest sea full of strong haki users. It all comes down to common sense.
Okay I guess we should agree to disagree.
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Law said: There are two ways to survive the NW. Become a crewmate of one of the four emperors or challenge them. Ace could literally solo all of the 11 supernovas we saw pre timeskip. Look at most of them 2 years later. They went to the NW and they are well and kicking now. Being under the strongest mans protection as well as having a powerful logia DF dramatically increased his chances to be alive. Rayleigh did say it takes atleast two years to learn the basics of haki. Ace being an overconfident powerful logia chose not to take the time to learn haki and instead made a name for himself and eventually reached the highest bounty known to this day. Anyways, let's agree to disagree.
Kabuto Yakushi
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You know Ace became famed for fighting haki masters right? And Ace didn't hide under WB. He off-paneled Doma, a NW captain who obviously has haki. And he off-paneled some other NW crew before as well. So I don't think he was really protected by his crew. Yes the SNs learned haki, that is why they improved so much only in 2 years. What do you mean powerful logia increases chance of survival? Logia ain't shit in the NW, full of haki masters. Haki is Ace's weakest department. Like I said, Ace relies most on DF that is why his haki is so weak but he need to have that to survive. You don't need training to learn haki. Look at the rest of supernovas, they were busy challenging the emperors and gaining fame in NW, they don't have time to train. Ace probably learn haki like the SNs did. Learning haki and gaining fame while fighting NW crews. This debate is really interesting, first time ever arguing over if Ace have haki or not so I can't stop myself from replying.
