[Theory] Who has the last location poneglyph?!
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chopstickchakra
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Momo's dad probably described it at least once. But again that's not proof it is.Ok sorry about that
Today's chapter explained one need 4poneglyphs to find the way to reach Raftel. Other than this WB & Rayleigh knew where Raftel is.
Now this theory(Bartigo is Raftel)is purely based on an image that Duke was thinking. Now here is my question, "How did that Duke knew How Raftel looks like? He was not a part of Roger crew. And I m sure Momo's dad didnot took him to Raftel. This means he was simply speculating how Raftel should look like.
Yes this is the reason why Dragon is fighting against WG. He must have info regarding void century & also the injustice system WG & CD created. This has nothing to do wit the war WB said regarding OP. That war means Pirates will also come & fight against each other because they want apart of Rogers treasure.
But the OP is supposed to hold that missing info about VC was my point. WB's war relies on the finder of OP to broadcast that information, IF Dragon found it he's been quiet about it.
YellowFang
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First, WB knows how to get to Raftel, Roger told him... If he has the paperwork or not, i can't say for sure.
Same goes for Shanks, he knows too and very high probability that he has the paperwork too.
Second, what you mentioned and it's very well known i.e. WB's words. If the knowledge on the Raftel will compel the person to wage war against WG, then why didn't Roger do it? I won't be surprised if one would say he wasn't strong enough to face the WG...
And Oda's associating fleets with SHs is giving hints towards it...
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I'd say it's still unknown or in WG's possession... If pirates had it all, then those top tiers aiming for OP would resort to nothing short than getting it anyway from those who have the pieces. And if a piece is unknown then one would not get in trouble of such magnitude if it's not gonna pay in full...
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I had my point strengthened in this chapter, it was heavily implied that one can easily get to Raftel if they have all the knowledge...
I use it in defense when someone say that Luffy has to defeat each and everyone in the New-world to become PK while I believe Pirate King is the one who has sailed all the seas and oceans...
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YellowFang
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That's just impossible, out of all in the world, Dragon would be the first one to get this to people around the globe and wage war against WG, they're frikkin' revolutionaries...
Shodaime Swagkage
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I'm going to say it's on Elbaf. The Strawhats have been saying since Little Garden multiple times by now they want to visit Elbaf and we still don't know anything about it. The warrior giants don't really seem like the type to care much about stuff like this and they're powerful enough to withstand any enemy.
And no Raftel is not Baltigo ~_~ seriously. In the least there is nothing that even points remotely to that nor does it even make sense.
And no Raftel is not Baltigo ~_~ seriously. In the least there is nothing that even points remotely to that nor does it even make sense.
My guess is BB, if the thing is missing it stands to be that it is hidden pretty well. BB has the darkness fruit and my guess is that he hid it in the darkness or the user of that fruit before him did and BB wanted that fruit to get it out. Kinda a crackpot theory though.
My other guess is that the WG has it
My other guess is that the WG has it
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Son Ryuto Uzumaki
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Either Rayleigh, Dragon, world government or Shanks. Ifbits Shanks that would be a good backstory for him and blackbeard's fight
Dont forget The Duke and Cat knew Shanks
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chopstickchakra
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Hence the giant IF. There's a lot of hypotheticals floating around, IF rev hq is Raftel, IF OP is hidden on Raftel(some are claiming simply reaching it grants you OP but I imagine it's hidden somewhere in Raftel), IF OP is even actually on Raftel(for all we know they could reach Raftel and get one last clue(go here for OP) I didn't say he had it just IF he did he's kept it a very well guarded secret.
If it was Shanks though it would make no sense for the story to mention 2 pirates(Yonkou at that) and not mention Shanks possessing the 3rd one as well. The likely answer as I said back on page 1 is that the WG found out about the 4 points and tried getting the ones from Zou, Kaidou and BM to no avail but they did manage to get the 4th which they are keeping to prevent anyone from getting all the info. Also what are the odds Shanks has it and nobody knows about it? Unless he got it after the Sea King incident Luffy should have seen it, I don't think he has it.
I'm curious to see if that damned Roger's egg plays any part to Raftel or not. Maybe it birthed the only animal that can take them to OP?
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They just showed it in this chapter. There's really nothing hard about it. Even kindergarteners learn that if you press a paper against something with relief, you can copy it by using charcoal or a pencil on the paper. Also they can take pictures in the One Pieceverse, so making a copy of a poneglyph is the easiest part.
Rayleigh is on Shabondy. He himself saw Luffy off to the New World. It makes no sense that he does that while in the end they would have to return to him. You can pretty much scratch Rayleigh.
Likewise Shanks is a very unlikely candidate. Nekomamushi mentions that Kaidou and Big Mum have a red poneglyph, but doesn't mention Shanks? The fact that Nekomamushi and Inuarashi likely know Shanks, makes it all the more weird that he does not get mentioned, while he does mention the other two Yonkou.
The WG is a possibility, but personally I'm not in favor of that. Till recently the might of the WG within the New World was extremely slim. It's only after Akainu became fleet admiral that they started increasing their influence. Even though it's not specifically stated, the latest chapter implies strongly that the red poneglyphs can only be found in the New World, so that makes it less likely the WG found one.
The fact remains that Oda introduced immediately the whereabouts of three of the four poneglyphs, but didn't say anything about the fourth. So it's obvious he has something special in store for the latter and the WG and Shanks are simply too straightforward to fit that profile.
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MadaraReturns
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Dragon doesn't want to be a Pirate King, he isn't called even a pirate.
Maybe Dragon has the One Piece, depending on what it is. Story can still change like they added red poneglyphes for locations.
If One Piece is a weapon Dragon most certainly has it and he's gonna use it or for some reason not use it (depending on what it is)
You find it strange that WB said that the one who finds OP starts a war but don't find it strange that he'd make Ace the PK and so Ace (and so also WB) would start a war so why don't start a war with Ace at his side (before he got captured) or save Ace with the weapon to begin with? (Point is that his statement has many plotholes for now and you shouldn't be held back by that)
There is something that held him back and that has to be the lack of knowledge about something we will learn to know in the future.
Thanks for your positivity, mark my words it'll become true and youtubers will make theories about this later.
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YellowFang
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WG is around for hundreds of years and the Yonko concept wasn't always there, they could have got there hands on one back in the history...
I hope it just remains limited to the giant IF...
The WG hasn't always been as huge as it is now. It's an organization that has grown during the course of the centuries and there has never been a point in time that they had a strong influence in the New World. That's also why it's called the New World and why Gold Roger became the Pirate King: because he was the only person ever who who tamed that sea. On top of that the WG has forbidden any kind of research to the Void Century. It's contradictory that they forbid it, but then they search for the poneglyphs themselves. To do that you need quite a lot of people and then you have automatically the risk things get leaked. During the Enies Lobbies arc it was also stated that the WG changed their approach. Till then they had always followed the approach of crushing everything related to the poneglyph and the Void Century, but after that they decided to have a change of plans. Among others getting both Robin and the blueprints of Pluton so that they could be used for the WG.
WG might have poneglyph, it's a possibility, but I don't find it that plausible seen the circumstances.
Tomato God
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1. The polyglphs point to 4 locations and are stand alone maps. I assume these 4 locations arent just rando af so the four forming a gaint map is misconceptions of what was stated. The location of raftel os the median of these four locations not just a map to raftel. I assume you need an atlas to find the center of all of these. Because for all we know., these four points could be four different corners of the world.
2.we dont know what they say yet so we cant rule out the polyglyphis leading one to the next. I know it makes sense because the yonko co have no idea how to read them so if you want to the four locations or the three in this case they could also tell you where the 4th one it is and no one knows where the four locations are because no one but Robin can read them. And assuming they did and assuming that the points are spread out across the world no one could surmise the center of because no one has an atlas of the entire world
Skull Knight
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That's not a proof. I can never tell How that place looks like if I have never visited that place.
Nope he would be first one to show it to entire world & declare war on WG.
And rumours would have spread that Rev had found Raftel/OP.
Roger must have told him about those road poneglyphs. Nothing else.
I agree Roger crew must have a rough idea where Raftel is? But I think they also don't knw how to find it. Otherwise Buggy would have become PK before manga started.
Roger couldnot wage war because he knew his time was up. That's why he wanted WB to do that.He knew WB has men, money & strength to declare war on WG.But WB has no interest in treasure i.e why he never went to Raftel but tried to protect it from others by hiding the last poneglyph.
That doesn't matter^
One who reaches Raftel & finds OP automatically becomes PK.
I already told in my previous post "if Dragon has OP then Sabo would probably told Luffy to come wit him".
We don't knw what OP is?
It maybe Gold(because WG started calling Him Gold Roger)
It maybe poneglyph(which tells the story about D's & Celestial Dragons)
It maybe legendary meat
Let's be honest Ace was never ready for NW.
He had no control on his Conqueror Haki.
We don't knw how good his armament haki was?
And he would have died if he fought top tier guys like Akainu, Kaido & BM.
Now u tell me why will WB send him in a suicidal mission like Go attack Minks, Kaido & steal there poneglyphs -_-
I think this has to do with 'D' thing Roger told to WB. He must hav said something like, "D will wage war against Celestial Dragons if they found OP" something like that.
WB thought Ace was not ready. Thus he didnot tell Ace where his daddy's treasure is kept.
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Ripple Hole
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I bet it's hidden in Mariejois and that's what Doflamingo knows, especially considering they
wanted it to be a secret bad enough to let Doffy taunt them. It'd only make sense for the
descendants of the people who caused the void century to try to keep it covered. Better
than all the others at that.
That's probably benefit of Oda letting Doffy escape.
wanted it to be a secret bad enough to let Doffy taunt them. It'd only make sense for the
descendants of the people who caused the void century to try to keep it covered. Better
than all the others at that.
That's probably benefit of Oda letting Doffy escape.
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YellowFang
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Roger asked WB if he wants to know about Raftel, history and will of D and told him... WB knows a lot more than we can ever speculate.
Agreed, he wasn't at his best and even at his best he wasn't prepared enough to take on the WG, that's why he purposefully let people know about the existence of OP hoping someone capable enough (a 'D') would take over what Roger started...
Agreed, WB even declared Teach a non-'D'... It has something to do with 'D', that's why WB knowing stuff didn't had the drive to do anything about it but he wanted someone to take over Roger's doings, preferably a 'D', and Ace was one...