Who has more influence on the manga right now?

[Floydical]

This is complete speculation on my part, but who do you think has more influence on the manga right now? Kishi or his close knit team of assistants? I think most people safely assume that Kishi has roughly 3-5 very close advisers that he utilizes to bring his ideas closer to their overall meaning and purpose. I think its obvious that one man handling the entire responsibility would be too much to ask and having a team of advisers is certainly a good idea in my opinion.

The reason I bring this up is because there have been significant changes occurring in the manga during the war. Most notably the later half of the war, after the Zetsu's have been wiped out. One of the biggest surprises was the revival of not only Orochimaru, but all the previous Kages. After that, we saw almost uncharacteristic-like power-ups being given to the previous kages. Kurama even went as far as to imply that it was always in Minato's plans for Naruto to utilize the other half of his chakra at some point, which could obviously never be achieved if Minato stayed dead. Even the fact that the dead demon seal contained the Kyuubi's chakra into Minato as to make him a Jinchurinki is a stretch.

Is it too much to believe that this was the idea of an adviser to have Minato use KM? How bout the idea of bringing Oro back? Or the idea of reversing the un-reversible dead demon seal to revive the Kage? What about the very uncharacteristic upgrade given to Tobirama? If Tobirama had FTG he could clearly have used it to his advantage and saved himself from the 20 Jounin. My point to all this is that these changes being made (and trust me there are more than I mentioned) are almost of fan fiction caliber. I mean fans have speculated forever that Naruto still did not have the dark part of Kurama's power (yin/yang I forget which one) and now its suddenly true? It almost feels influenced, and I have to trust that no manga writer will ever be influenced by his fans, but perhaps by his advisers?

Again, this is complete speculation, but who do you think has more actual influence on the manga right now? Or more specifically, who has had more direct influence on the recent events of the war during the Juubi arc? Kishi or his closest assistants? I know the poll will be one-sided, but I wanted to express my feelings on the matter. Thanks for reading.

 

[sandy uzumaki]

Ok. Kishi. /thread U_U

 

[Killer B]

Before the Hokages were reanimated and after Madara was too I always thought to myself how in the hell are the "good guys" going to beat Jubito and Edo Madara....I think it would have been much more of an asspull on kishi and his assistants part for naruto and bee and kages to beat those two with the juubi

Right after Madara solo'd the five Kage I was wondering how the hell they were going to deal with him and meteors and perfect susanoo

all in all I think it would have been more of an asspull if Naruto and Kages somehow beat Juubito and Rinnegan Madara...the Hokages being brought into the battle make it a much more fair fight but it does feel a little bit like an asspull anyways

 

[Uchiha Siame]

It all is an asspull, even Sasuke's 180, I was like Dafuq man, all that hatred and you u turn in a minute?

 

[Floydical]

Before the Hokages were reanimated and after Madara was too I always thought to myself how in the hell are the "good guys" going to beat Jubito and Edo Madara....I think it would have been much more of an asspull on kishi and his assistants part for naruto and bee and kages to beat those two with the juubi

Right after Madara solo'd the five Kage I was wondering how the hell they were going to deal with him and meteors and perfect susanoo

all in all I think it would have been more of an asspull if Naruto and Kages somehow beat Juubito and Rinnegan Madara...the Hokages being brought into the battle make it a much more fair fight but it does feel a little bit like an asspull anyways

I don't like to call them asspulls, but yes what you are referring to is essentially the question here. All these ideas of finding new ways to extend the series and power up both sides seem too great and too numerous to all be the original idea of one single man. At the very least, I think his assistants had a strong influence on the final outcome of these current events, if not came up with some of the ideas themselves.

 

[thegame]

Neither. It's been proven before, that it's the "people", who pay Kishi, and make all the business deals so his manga can be distributed all over the world.

 

[Floydical]

Neither. It's been proven before, that it's the "people", who pay Kishi, and make all the business deals so his manga can be distributed all over the world.

I'd really hope that the contributors don't actually have a say in the manga's events. I think if Kishi listened to any influences, it would be his advisors first and then perhaps his contributors second. Not that I think its impossible, but I'd think his advisors would have better overall intentions than his contributors.

 

[Gyakusetsu]

I think he definetly planned it out in advance but he has stretched it out as well. People will reread it after it's over and say "So that's why Orochimaru shed tears when fighting Hiruzen."

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[thegame]

I'd really hope that the contributors don't actually have a say in the manga's events. I think if Kishi listened to any influences, it would be his advisors first and then perhaps his contributors second. Not that I think its impossible, but I'd think his advisors would have better overall intentions than his contributors.

Look at Bleach. The manga was literally over after Aizen was beaten, yet money talks, and it continued with some stupid shit..
Do you think Kishi will end Naruto as he planned, if he is offered a large amount of money to make another arc?

I also remember a rumor some years ago. I actually think there was evidence, though I can't find it now. But it was said, that the "bosses" wanted Kishi to give the manga a larger scale in manner of the power of jutsus.
And this is quite obvious, if you look at part 1 compared to part 2. Just take Oro for instance, he didn't use any large scale jutsu in part 1 compared to what he did in part 2. Tbh, we didn't see a single large scale jutsu in part 1, but now a jutsu that destroys an entire city is just normal for a lot of shinobi....
Same goes for hand seals. Kishi was quite keen on them in part 1, but in part 2 more time was spent on the actual jutsu, and thus much of the hand seals were skipped.

 

[Floydical]

I think he definetly planned it out in advance but he has stretched it out as well. People will reread it after it's over and say "So that's why Orochimaru shed tears when fighting Hiruzen."

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Just a little while longer.

I honestly don't think Kishi had figured out the specifics of the war, most of it seems decided upon recently. What exactly were you getting at with that old manga page? I don't understand what you're getting at.

Look at Bleach. The manga was literally over after Aizen was beaten, yet money talks, and it continued with some stupid shit..
Do you think Kishi will end Naruto as he planned, if he is offered a large amount of money to make another arc?

I also remember a rumor some years ago. I actually think there was evidence, though I can't find it now. But it was said, that the "bosses" wanted Kishi to give the manga a larger scale in manner of the power of jutsus.
And this is quite obvious, if you look at part 1 compared to part 2. Just take Oro for instance, he didn't use any large scale jutsu in part 1 compared to what he did in part 2. Tbh, we didn't see a single large scale jutsu in part 1, but now a jutsu that destroys an entire city is just normal for a lot of shinobi....
Same goes for hand seals. Kishi was quite keen on them in part 1, but in part 2 more time was spent on the actual jutsu, and thus much of the hand seals were skipped.

I don't think you are correct when it comes to Bleach. To someone on the outside, Bleach seemed over with. Heck, even the anime creators thought it was over. Aizen was defeated in the anime roughly 5 weeks after the manga and then the anime had to take a break followed by a very long filler arc to account for their mistake (at least it seemed like a mistake to me).

However, there was clearly evidence that Kubo planned beyond the Arrancar arc when it came to the Zero Squad. We had heard about them even before the Arrancar arc, if I remember correctly, and it made sense that he incorporated them later. In addition, we got clear indications when Aizen was defeated that the Spirit King was important to the story, so this current arc was definitely planned.

As for Naruto, I think you are right about the large scale jutsu and hand seals. Clearly hand seals used to be more in the lime-light and jutsu are obviously more powerful. I think its obvious that jutsus would get more powerful, but I think you may have a point about his sponsors wanting larger scale jutsu overall.

 

[veggetta13]

I think he definetly planned it out in advance but he has stretched it out as well. People will reread it after it's over and say "So that's why Orochimaru shed tears when fighting Hiruzen."

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Just a little while longer.

Me too. I´ve made like 3 threads on that, it is constant in "Destroy the Leaf" the grudge, nostalgy, longing and link of Oro to the village and Hiruzen´s lack of judgement to condemn his student, so as Oro´c hesitation reflected on "how" he wanted to kill his master (through Hashirama and Tobirama) . Mainly, he wanted to be acknowledged by him.(somebody didn´t become hokage)

Which turns this part of the story into a father-son resentment cured by a "moral retribution act". This means, "let´s save the village" by Oro
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I do wonder about the hokages very, ver, very much so as for most part of Edo Tensei :-reloaded by Kishi aND HIS crew of creative monkey juggernouts

 

[Almighty Ra]

I agree the people have some hand in it..but it's like it was said money is the key here..I think Bleach after this little break and the manga is finished will make a come back animated why cuz the people want it and if the money is right it would be a good cash cow for everyone involved..Great topic by the way

 

[darkmanure]

Neither. It's been proven before, that it's the "people", who pay Kishi, and make all the business deals so his manga can be distributed all over the world.

Yup the publishers. Sasuke's teammate and Sasuke himself wasn't suppose to be in the manga for long. There was so many changes and asspulls.

 

[thegame]

I honestly don't think Kishi had figured out the specifics of the war, most of it seems decided upon recently. What exactly were you getting at with that old manga page? I don't understand what you're getting at.



I don't think you are correct when it comes to Bleach. To someone on the outside, Bleach seemed over with. Heck, even the anime creators thought it was over. Aizen was defeated in the anime roughly 5 weeks after the manga and then the anime had to take a break followed by a very long filler arc to account for their mistake (at least it seemed like a mistake to me).

However, there was clearly evidence that Kubo planned beyond the Arrancar arc when it came to the Zero Squad. We had heard about them even before the Arrancar arc, if I remember correctly, and it made sense that he incorporated them later. In addition, we got clear indications when Aizen was defeated that the Spirit King was important to the story, so this current arc was definitely planned.

As for Naruto, I think you are right about the large scale jutsu and hand seals. Clearly hand seals used to be more in the lime-light and jutsu are obviously more powerful. I think its obvious that jutsus would get more powerful, but I think you may have a point about his sponsors wanting larger scale jutsu overall.

Yes this last arc in Bleach was definitely in Kubos "notes" or whatever they can be called. This last arc is indeed quite amazing, we get so many more new events and knowledge about captains, etc. It's obvious he simply took all his remaining best ideas and placed them in one arc, and then it will end. But he is also getting too hasty. The captain commander had much more potential, and yet he was just "burnt" off in a few chapters... And Ichigo suddenly being half

However, I think at some point, he considered ending the series with Ichigo losing his shinigami powers. Now I haven't followed the anime for a long long time, but the arc that came afterwards, where Ichigo should regain his shinigami powers was just bullsh*it in my eyes. Nothing of it came from his actual notes. Perhaps the moment, when he actually regained the powers, but as I see it, he could just have skipped the arc with Kugo Ginjo, which is the arc that he produced more for money than entertainment.

 

[thegame]

I honestly don't think Kishi had figured out the specifics of the war, most of it seems decided upon recently. What exactly were you getting at with that old manga page? I don't understand what you're getting at.



I don't think you are correct when it comes to Bleach. To someone on the outside, Bleach seemed over with. Heck, even the anime creators thought it was over. Aizen was defeated in the anime roughly 5 weeks after the manga and then the anime had to take a break followed by a very long filler arc to account for their mistake (at least it seemed like a mistake to me).

However, there was clearly evidence that Kubo planned beyond the Arrancar arc when it came to the Zero Squad. We had heard about them even before the Arrancar arc, if I remember correctly, and it made sense that he incorporated them later. In addition, we got clear indications when Aizen was defeated that the Spirit King was important to the story, so this current arc was definitely planned.

As for Naruto, I think you are right about the large scale jutsu and hand seals. Clearly hand seals used to be more in the lime-light and jutsu are obviously more powerful. I think its obvious that jutsus would get more powerful, but I think you may have a point about his sponsors wanting larger scale jutsu overall.

Yes this last arc in Bleach was definitely in Kubos "notes" or whatever they can be called. This last arc is indeed quite amazing, we get so many more new events and knowledge about captains, etc. It's obvious he simply took all his remaining best ideas and placed them in one arc, and then it will end. But he is also getting too hasty. The captain commander had much more potential, and yet he was just "burnt" off in a few chapters... And Ichigo suddenly being half

However, I think at some point, he considered ending the series with Ichigo losing his shinigami powers. Now I haven't followed the anime for a long long time, but the arc that came afterwards, where Ichigo should regain his shinigami powers was just bullsh*it in my eyes. Nothing of it came from his actual notes. Perhaps the moment, when he actually regained the powers, but as I see it, he could just have skipped the arc with Kugo Ginjo, which is the arc that he produced more for money than entertainment.

 

[Gyakusetsu]

I honestly don't think Kishi had figured out the specifics of the war, most of it seems decided upon recently. What exactly were you getting at with that old manga page? I don't understand what you're getting at.

I think the team still has to run their ideas past him and he may add to or remove elements. The purpose of the old fight with Orochimaru was to demonstrate that the Kishimoto had a plan from the beginning. Orochimaru is struggling internally. Naruto plunged a knife into his own hand as well after being chastised by Sasuke. It's no coincidence. This internal unseen enemy also affected Itachi when he killed his all to passive (zombie-like) parents and Danzo when he tried to volunteer to be the decoy.

 

[Mephew D Kensei]

At post #9 ''thegame'' so true and I've been saying it for so along part two is like all Naruto characters died and are now in sereitei for sure and zabuza is a fine example, he died fighting fodder(by current standards) Kakashi & toddler Naruto then part two Edo Zabuza is a problem for the now Mangekyu Kakashi. Tobirama again died fighting 20juinin (fodder by current standings) and this Edo Tobirama is super awsome and a professor for sure not that I hate Tobirama being a boss its just me questioning why he didn't boss out of such a measly death. If its contributors that interfere then they make money but really degrade a mangaka's work and all mangaka shld go J. K Rowlin and state demands like all british cast and all things to be done in britania(code geusse referral) but like I do my story and f**k what u want.