Who has actually worked harder? Naruto or Sasuke

[SuperChief]

Naruto post timeskip is laughable. Sasuke was easily Kage level at that point so he definitely worked harder over the timeskip. As for who worked harder since, that'd be Naruto who had to learn to master his element, complete Rasengan, learn Senjutsu and learn how to control Kurama.

 

[loj]

Well he worked hardly for Rasengan,rasen shuriken,wind release pretty much for everything he needed to work,mastering bijuu mode,sage mode...Sasuke got brothers eyes,got curse from Orochimaru...

Oh i guess Naruto worked for child of prophecy huh?

 

[Zlatán]

And here's where we pause, I the "idiot" claim that the sharingan made that list of things very simple.
Remember the chunnin exams where rock lee says:"........ HE'S COPIED MY SPEED AND TAIJUSTU IN JUST 2 WEEKS!!!"
Sharingan just copied that, effort he put in literally become so little.

And don't say "He put a hell lot of effort into it"
Because, really just no.

Lee has devoted his life to only taijustu and his speed, he's basically that character that wakes up doing squats.
Then the sharingan comes along and helps reproduce all of that, in a jiffy.

You're acting like Naruto died training. Naruto trained for two years with Jiraya while Sasuke did the same but with Orochimaru, when they met who was stronger? Exactly it was Sasuke. That automatically wastes the two year he spends training becuase when he was fighting Orochimaru he relied on the Kyuubi's power not the new techniques he learned in his training.


Okay next Naruto learns sage mode so he can fight pain, Naruto thought pain with Sage mode but it wasn't effective enough so what does he do? He unleashes the kyuubi, the power he was born with, he didn't work for that power nor is it his. Naruto's training for sage mode automatically becomes inferior to the kyuubi's instant power up.

Naruto then steals the kyuubi's chakra again not his power nor did he work for it.

Naruto then teams up with the Kyuubi, which allows Kurama to give Naruto chakra willingly again not worked for.

So tell me where did Naruto train and actually been useful?

Him training for the Rasengan is the same as Sasuke training for the chidori so don't bother mentioning that.

 

[God of War]

Hagoromo said that Ashura's reincarnations work harder than Indra's lel.

 

[Naruto X Hunter]

Naruto was destined for greatness but in order for him to have attain that greatness he would have to have worked hard.So in away you could say that Naruto was destined be work hard in order to gain great power to save the world

And Sasuke was assumed to have taken drugs by Sakura,cause she couldn't believe that he had gotten so strong in 2 years.

 

[WolfHaley]

it actually is a contradiction, Kishimoto is always stating "Oh you can change you're own destiny",
"It doesn't matter if you're a reagular person or not", but no regular person(Rock lee, gai, choji,tenten) got powerful, it was only people who had some type of special power got anywhere

Once again, that's not what Kishi was saying. Naruto himself expressed it:

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The point is, destiny CAN be changed.

You claim only people with special power got anywhere, yet all of those people play a role in the series.

Gai took on Madara and surpassed the genius Kakashi.
TenTen, Choji and Rock Lee were part of the Konoha 11 force that took down Juubito.
They also helped seal Edos, a critical part of the war.
TenTen also has the Sage's tools, which will play a big role later on.

There's also the fact that Obito was a loser, a non-genius, and became one of the most powerful people ever because of training.

You need to remember this is FICTION, a STORY, they are SIDE characters, they WILL get less attention than MAIN characters. What about Killer Bee, The Fourth Raikage, Gaara, Kisame, Sasori, Deidara, Kabuto and Kushina. None of them have been slated to be geniuses(Kabuto is a medical genius, but that kind of genius isn't what we're talking about), but they've played pivotal roles in the stories.

 

[ClarifyingThings]

Well he worked hardly for Rasengan,rasen shuriken,wind release pretty much for everything he needed to work,mastering bijuu mode,sage mode...Sasuke got brothers eyes,got curse from Orochimaru...

so what about Chidor stream, chidori nagashi?, a lot of sasuke's training was off screened during the part-part 2 time skip, also Naruto got the nine tailed fox and he had uzmaki power, Both Naruto and sasuke had things handed to them...

 

[Zlatán]

Hagoromo said that Ashura's reincarnations work harder than Indra's lel.

He was born weaker then Indra, Ashura became the same level as Indra through help and guidance by the people around him while Indra didn't care about teamwork and stayed isolated. Hagoromo believed Ashura's teamwork is superior to Indra's idea of relaying on your own, this lead to Hagoromo selecting Ashura as his successor.

 

[Zlatán]

so what about Chidor stream, chidori nagashi?, a lot of sasuke's training was off screened during the part-part 2 time skip, also Naruto got the nine tailed fox and he had uzmaki power, Both Naruto and sasuke had things handed to them...

Not forgetting Kirin, also remember Naruto was taught wind rasengan shuriken by Kakashi while Sasuke learnt all those by himself

 

[ClarifyingThings]

Once again, that's not what Kishi was saying. Naruto himself expressed it:

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The point is, destiny CAN be changed.

You claim only people with special power got anywhere, yet all of those people play a role in the series.

Gai took on Madara and surpassed the genius Kakashi.
TenTen, Choji and Rock Lee were part of the Konoha 11 force that took down Juubito.
They also helped seal Edos, a critical part of the war.
TenTen also has the Sage's tools, which will play a big role later on.

There's also the fact that Obito was a loser, a non-genius, and became one of the most powerful people ever because of training.

You need to remember this is FICTION, a STORY, they are SIDE characters, they WILL get less attention than MAIN characters. What about Killer Bee, The Fourth Raikage, Gaara, Kisame, Sasori, Deidara, Kabuto and Kushina. None of them have been slated to be geniuses(Kabuto is a medical genius, but that kind of genius isn't what we're talking about), but they've played pivotal roles in the stories.

Even if their side characters they should still get development, its not always about the Mc's all the time, Kishimoto barely gave them any development at all during part 2, and Gai only had that power temporarily, after he used it, he dies, so he still doesn't win in the end, basically no one in the manga were important, unless they already had some type of power within themselves, so yes that is a clear contradiction, also you know what's another Contradiction?, Hard workers always beating natural talented, thats destiny right their and didn't kishi say that destiny can be changed?, another contradiction..

 

[WolfHaley]

Even if their side characters they should still get development, its not always about the Mc's all the time, Kishimoto barely gave them any development at all during part 2, and Gai only had that power temporarily, after he used it, he dies, so he still doesn't win in the end, basically no one in the manga were important, unless they already had some type of power within themselves, so yes that is a clear contradiction, also you know what's another Contradiction?, Hard workers always beating natural talented, thats destiny right their and didn't kishi say that destiny can be changed?, another contradiction..

So basically Kishi can never win with you? Hard workers being natural talent is destiny? But the other way around is also destiny? Would you just prefer for both parties to die in every fight?

 

[Lord Tywin]

Is this even a question? Naruto worked way harder than sasuke for a longer period of time

 

[Naruto X Hunter]

Really?? is this a serious question?? what has Sasuke EVER worked for? ..... hes like a trust fund kid where everything is a hand out...

So he didn't work hard for great usage of Ninja tools and swords? Aswell as Fire Style Techniques,the Chidori and it's variants,learning how to use the Sharingan,Attaining a high speed body like Lee,learning how to use Amaterasu and Susano's?


Sasuke copied Lee's movements with the Sharingan and in the one month preperation time from the prelims to the third stage of thr chunin exams he trained to attain a high speed body and learned chidori.This was clearly said in the manga.When he first copied Lee's movements,at had a huge impact on his body as it couldn't keep up with Lee's High Speed Taijutsu.He trained inorder to get a High Speed body,not only to incease his Speed and Taijutsu but it was also neccessary inorder for him to use Chidori.


As for MS,Itachi only inplanted HIS Amaterasu in Sasuke to attack Tobi,which is why the MS took Itachi's shape.That was a one time thing,and at that time Sasuke didn't have the MS,he awakened it in chapter 402,after thinking about Itachi,crying over his death,and affirming his new resolve.

He learned how to use the MS in battle.First using it for a genjutsu against a Cloud Shinobi to learn Bee's location,(probably not Tsukuyomi but a regular Sharingan Genjutsu)Then Amaterasu against Bee.He learned that he can activate it with his right eye,and extinguish it with his left.During the Kage Summit Arc he learned how to use Susano'o.First he awakened it,then he went through each of it's stages,using parts of it at a time as he learned,and against Danzo he used a weak Amaterasu to test of he could put him in a Genjutsu.

Sasuke gained more control over the MS each time he felt powerful emotions,against Bee when he saw His teamates in danger he first used Amaterasu,and against Danzo when Danzo was talking schitt,he awakened his full Susano'o.

He learned the MS techniques from Itachi.Itachi purposefully showed him all three,one at a time,even saying their name and what they are.That's how Sasuke knew of the EMS,Itachi told him what it was and how to get it.

And it's false to say that Sasuke was handed the MS,cause he fought Itachi,even though Itachi let him win,Sasuke fought him to the piont where he (Sasuke) passed out afterwarda from exhaustion,it was from learning the truth and his grief over Itachi's death that Sasuke awakened the MS.If Itachi just met up with Sasuke and Shot himself (probably no guns in Naruto but whatever,you will get the piont) infront of Sasuke then Tobi told him the truth then he probably wouldn't have awakened the MS.It was a combination of learning the truth about Itachi and the role he played in his death that awakened Sasuke's MS.

As for EMS,yeah he didn't have to do much but sit back ,chill,and not see for a few days or hours while power came in and his body adjusted to it.But he still had to learn how to use it.Notice in chapter 553 even before he takes off the bamdages his says,"Shall we test it outside".

and now he's learning how to use his new eye powers.He didn't have alot time to properly even learn how to use his EMS.He started using it on the prevoius day.

 

[ClarifyingThings]

So basically Kishi can never win with you? Hard workers being natural talent is destiny? But the other way around is also destiny? Would you just prefer for both parties to die in every fight?

Because it doesn't make any sense, the Senju (Hard worker's) always beat the Uchiha (Natural talented), is that not destiny right their?, its so stupid, its laughable...

 

[Commander Axe]

Well we dont know how hard Sasuke actually worked during the 2 year time skip, but from what has been shown then Naruto.

 

[9tailsJinchuuriki]

So Naruto being destined to be strong, makes his hardwork in the past seem like nothing. While Sasuke, who was also destined to be strong, gets praised for his hardwork. How does that work?

Both were going to be strong in the end because they are Ashura and Indra's reincarnations. Just because the prophecy only mentioned Naruto's future achievements, doesn't mean Sasuke isn't as "destined" as Naruto. They both received Rikudo's power, they are equally destined. The prophecy only mentions Naruto because he will accomplish something great in the end.

 

[Zlatán]

So Naruto being destined to be strong, makes his hardwork in the past seem like nothing. While Sasuke, who was also destined to be strong, gets praised for his hardwork. How does that work?

Both were going to be strong in the end because they are Ashura and Indra's reincarnations. Just because the prophecy only mentioned Naruto's future achievements, doesn't mean Sasuke isn't as "destined" as Naruto. They both received Rikudo's power, they are equally destined. The prophecy only mentions Naruto because he will accomplish something great in the end.

The prophecy means he will either bring the world together and find peace or completely destroy the world and bring it to chaos

 

[loj]

Well how Hagoromo said Ashura needed to work for his abilities,Indra didn't...

so what about Chidor stream, chidori nagashi?, a lot of sasuke's training was off screened during the part-part 2 time skip, also Naruto got the nine tailed fox and he had uzmaki power, Both Naruto and sasuke had things handed to them...

 

[9tailsJinchuuriki]

The prophecy means he will either bring the world together and find peace or completely destroy the world and bring it to chaos

I think Nagato was the one that would've destroyed the world and Naruto is the one that will start a revolution. Jiraya had to make a choice between them and he chose Naruto.

The old toad sage even said that both Naruto and Nagato was the child of destiny.

 

[ClarifyingThings]

Well how Hagoromo said Ashura needed to work for his abilities,Indra didn't...

he didint say that, he said ashura had to work "harder", then indra and that indra was talented, but he never said indra didint work