Who failed the hardest Hashirama, Kakashi, Minato, or Itachi?
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insid3rkil3r
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While they all have failed.... you arent saying that they are failures right? Cause this world would not exist without them... plan and simple.
But when it comes to who failed the hardest.... well if we are to judge that on how much consequences their ''failure'' had so far then it's Hashirama and Minato. Hashirama being having the biggest fail.
His doing led to Madara surviving and pretty much cursing the world with hatred.
Madara alive led to all of Obito's doing and is responsible for the sacrifices of Minato and Itachi and the hell they had to deal with.
Minato failed when it comes to not killing Obito, but he succeeded with other things and will eventually succeed through Naruto succeeding.
Itachi failed to keep the truth away from Sasuke.... but that is it. Itachi had planned for Koto amatsukami to deal with Sasuke if he were to become an enemy to Konoha.
And if u say that this didnt work and was wasted... well it clearly wasnt. Itachi being Koto-Amatsukami'd saved Naruto's life as well as Bee's.... and it led to perhaps Sasuke changing his mind.
Itachi has yet to have his plan fail as it's still in motion. Just like Minato.... he hasnt FULLY succeeded but their plan are not done as they still have chess pieces of their own in the mix of it all.... while Hashirama and Tobirama dont.
But let's not forget.... these arent failures..... they may have had failures that if had succeeded instead.... would have changed / saved the world.... but even excluding those...... every single one of them except maybe Tobirama saved the Shinobi world and prevented even several times it's end (specially Itach).
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Hashirama's failure has had the biggest impact, then Minato, then Itachi
But when it comes to who failed the hardest.... well if we are to judge that on how much consequences their ''failure'' had so far then it's Hashirama and Minato. Hashirama being having the biggest fail.
His doing led to Madara surviving and pretty much cursing the world with hatred.
Madara alive led to all of Obito's doing and is responsible for the sacrifices of Minato and Itachi and the hell they had to deal with.
Minato failed when it comes to not killing Obito, but he succeeded with other things and will eventually succeed through Naruto succeeding.
Itachi failed to keep the truth away from Sasuke.... but that is it. Itachi had planned for Koto amatsukami to deal with Sasuke if he were to become an enemy to Konoha.
And if u say that this didnt work and was wasted... well it clearly wasnt. Itachi being Koto-Amatsukami'd saved Naruto's life as well as Bee's.... and it led to perhaps Sasuke changing his mind.
Itachi has yet to have his plan fail as it's still in motion. Just like Minato.... he hasnt FULLY succeeded but their plan are not done as they still have chess pieces of their own in the mix of it all.... while Hashirama and Tobirama dont.
But let's not forget.... these arent failures..... they may have had failures that if had succeeded instead.... would have changed / saved the world.... but even excluding those...... every single one of them except maybe Tobirama saved the Shinobi world and prevented even several times it's end (specially Itach).
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Hashirama's failure has had the biggest impact, then Minato, then Itachi
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insid3rkil3r
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Really? You think that his ''failure'' which is Sasuke learning the truth is the biggest failure of the characters above??? How much of an impact did Sasuke's doing have so far???
Sasuke has yet to even be a real threat to the shinobi... actually he isnt even a threat right now.... he is on neutral grounds and won't do anything until he learns more about what truly happened.
Hashirama let Madara live.... how the **** did he do that?
Minato, while i dont blame him really, still let Obito live alive.
Itachi managed to keep Obito at bay for years.... see it as you wish but the truce was respected and that truce made it possible for our characters to be as strong as they are now.... without Itachi killing the clan and joining akatsuki.... we would have had a world war and Obito shitting on top of it.
Itachi's plan has yet to fail..... his plan is still in motion through Naruto as Itachi saved him and also made it possible for Naruto to have a chance at saving Sasuke.
Itachi and Minato's plans are both still in action.... but when it comes to the point they both ''failed''..... Itachi failing to kill Sasuke had much less impact than Minato failing to kill Obito when he seemed to have the chance to.
uchiha asuku aliyu
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none of them, they might have failed in some things but then look at the situation they found themselve in before judging them
uchiha asuku aliyu
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you all think that minato intentionally refuse to kill obito... We are talking about somebody who just had a son, we are talking about somebody who just saw a bijuu been extracted from his wife, we are talking about somebody who knew his village was under attack. Come on what minato did there was the best anyother person could have done, hitting obito is quite difficult, he could have followed obito and killed him but if he does that i guess kurama would have destroyed the leaf village.. So i rep minato, For he did not fail
BlackBison
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First off we do not know how the whole madara vs hashirama went. All we know is that hashirama seemingly defeated madara but then again we have obito speaking as madara who said that he fought hashirama for his dna. Also none of the people failed. Hashirama protected the konoha from madara's warlike nature. Kakashi couldn't save obito because if we all remember kakashi had a blindspot during that moment. Obito saved kakashi's life but almost ended his own. Their was nothing kakashi could have done since have of obito's body was crush(a.k.a obito suffered what was supposed to be a fatal injury). Minato saved konoha from obito. Itachi knew that what he done could have a negative effect on sasuke, that's why he placed the crow equipped with shishui's KA inside naruto. Naruto was itachi's backup plan. Also, Itachi protected konoha for as long as he could and if we all been reading the same manga, Itachi was dying from an incurable disease. Itachi planned his death to bestow more power onto sasuke by having him meet the requirements to achieve ms and for sasuke to return to konoha a hero. Obito messed up Itachi's plan and he was the reason sasuke continued his revenge goal. Also, Itachi is in no way responsible for konoha's destruction because in fact he was responsible for konoha surviving all this time and he was watching akatsuki from the inside and was seemingly the person leaking information on the organization.
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The SAGE HIMSELF is actually the biggest fail.
1. He saved the world... then created a solution that wouldn't work. Instead of ONE natural disaster, now you have NINE.
2. He named the YOUNGER Son as the family leader heir. Back in the day, this is EXTREMELY disrespectful to your elder son. He literally started the bond of HATE between the two sons, this could have been avoided. Why even name anyone the "leader" anyway!? Make them equally responsible for taking care of the family, IF the elder son wasnt going to be picked. I highly doubt the Younger Son would have attacked his older brother for leadership of the family. He created the Curse of Hate between them.
3. He traveled the world teaching ninjutsu, and introduced this new way of killing to the masses. This caused more war, and caused it to happen on a MUCH larger scale than the previous fighting by shinobi with only regular weapons, instead of OP chakra techniques.
1. He saved the world... then created a solution that wouldn't work. Instead of ONE natural disaster, now you have NINE.
2. He named the YOUNGER Son as the family leader heir. Back in the day, this is EXTREMELY disrespectful to your elder son. He literally started the bond of HATE between the two sons, this could have been avoided. Why even name anyone the "leader" anyway!? Make them equally responsible for taking care of the family, IF the elder son wasnt going to be picked. I highly doubt the Younger Son would have attacked his older brother for leadership of the family. He created the Curse of Hate between them.
3. He traveled the world teaching ninjutsu, and introduced this new way of killing to the masses. This caused more war, and caused it to happen on a MUCH larger scale than the previous fighting by shinobi with only regular weapons, instead of OP chakra techniques.
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hiruzen for not killing orochimaru who perfected the edo seal and jiraiya for not letting orochimaru kill nagato yajiko and konan. minato for not killing obito. kakashi for not killing sauske. tobirama for creating the edo and not killing danzou tsunade for not killing orochimaru. hashirama for not killing madara. orochimaru for not killing the members of team seven. zabuza for not killing kakashi. gut for not killing kakashi. tenzo for being captured. sai for being homosexual. ramen guy for not suing naruto. naruto for not killing sauske itachi for not killing everyone. hiruzen for not killing all of the uchiha asuma for not killing hidan. shikamaru for not begin a good large squad leader. jiraiya and hiruzen for leaving naruto in the dark and itachi for not telling sauske the truth.
insid3rkil3r
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No he didnt kill Obito because he couldnt / plot hole.... of course ehe didnt spare him for shit and giggles... he wanted to murder him or so i strongly believe.
And read my post carefully.... i said clearly that i didnt consider Minato be a failure as he was put into a hell of a situation.... but Obito being alive still is a fail.... which is why he doesnt get a perfect score.
We can say the same thing for Itachi..... he was a freaking 13 years old boy who had to take everyone's burden on his own shoulders..... and all he 'failed with is keeping the truth away from Sasuke.... and yet he had other things planned and those things are still in action and making it look like they will nutify the only 'fail' part he had attached to his name.
Both Minato and Itachi succeeded in nearly everything... the current world wouldnt be without they doing....but they did fail A LITTLE along the way.... but their success is so intimidating that we can't in any way shape or form call them failures.... they are everything but failures..... they are the ones who were put in the most hazardous situations yet still managed to nearly have a perfect score at it where even the best and experiences leaders / kages there could be would have failed..... Minato and Itachi are in a league of their own... and not just because of their skills as a shinobi.
The major difference lies in the consequences that Obito left alive led to against those of Sasuke being left alive.
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Invsblphntm
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I wouldn't blame Hashirama for everything, seeing as once Madara died all of his problems would have ended, there is a definite problem with Minato and Kakashi being the DIRECT reason for Obito starting this war.
I'd say Kakashi is the biggest failure, but if he killed Rin for a good reason, then Minato takes the role of biggest failure. We can also add to the fact that Minato didn't have to die, he pretty much took away some of Naruto's power, he took away potential powers coming from Minato being there for him, and most of all he took away Naruto's parents. So, yeah.
I'd say Kakashi is the biggest failure, but if he killed Rin for a good reason, then Minato takes the role of biggest failure. We can also add to the fact that Minato didn't have to die, he pretty much took away some of Naruto's power, he took away potential powers coming from Minato being there for him, and most of all he took away Naruto's parents. So, yeah.
