Who else thinks that Kaguya was forced into manga so people can see the Bolt movie?

[-Haku Yuki-]

Is SJ Kishi's editor?


Yeah, Kaguya influences a lot of Japanese culture and productions. Off the top of my head, you have

The Studio Ghibli film last year.
Inuyaha
Sailor Moon
Other animes.
Novels, TV shows, etc


From the moment Obito made the declaration of War, there were 227 chapter until the ending. With as long and bloated as the War arc was, Kishi should've cut the war arc by 50-100 chapters in order to tell Kaguya's story, the Juubi, and the histories of the clans that come from Kaguya: Senju, Uzumaki, Uchiha, Kaguya (Kimimaro), and Hyuga. It's not like he didn't have proxy characters to act through.

then people would complian the war was rushed, like they were complaining about the lack of deaths up until neji died, then everyone was crying for obito to rinnetensei them

 

[MAN OF SIN]

then people would complian the war was rushed, like they were complaining about the lack of deaths up until neji died, then everyone was crying for obito to rinnetensei them

100 chapters isn't rushed.

 

[-Haku Yuki-]

100 chapters isn't rushed.

What can you remove from the war that wouldn't take away from character development or the plot

only mifune and hanzo
and haku and zabuza battles really

 

[The Demon Hawk]

Advertisement and arousal of curiosity is essential for the viewers to develop interest. But that doesn't mean that was the sole reason she was brought into the manga. The real reason she was brought into the manga was to make the opponent easy for Naruto and Sasuke. Madara was just too strong.

 

[Char Aznable]

What can you remove from the war that wouldn't take away from character development or the plot

only mifune and hanzo
and haku and zabuza battles really

You can take out Madara's extended soloing of everyone. From the regular SA, the Gokage, Kyubi Cloak SA, Revived Hashirama + Tobirama, Bijuu after he got his rinnegan and limbo, BSM Naruto + EMS Sasuke, Minato + Obito + Kakashi, 8 Gated Gai and finally the short spat he had against RSM Naruto and Rinnegan Sasuke.

Seriously, Madara giving out ass-twistings could've been reduced to a more manageable level. It was one long protracted battle when Madara was revived. Story took a back seat.

 

[MAN OF SIN]

Advertisement and arousal of curiosity is essential for the viewers to develop interest. But that doesn't mean that was the sole reason she was brought into the manga. The real reason she was brought into the manga was to make the opponent easy for Naruto and Sasuke. Madara was just too strong.

That's an insanely retarded think to think. Kaguya was mentioned long before Madara became a Jin and they were overpowering Madara.

 

[The Demon Hawk]

That's an insanely retarded think to think. Kaguya was mentioned long before Madara became a Jin and they were overpowering Madara.

Madara was with 1 Rinnegan. 1R = lame. 2R JJ Madara was extremely strong. 3 eye, even more.

 

[MAN OF SIN]

Madara was with 1 Rinnegan. 1R = lame. 2R JJ Madara was extremely strong. 3 eye, even more.

And Kaguya was alluded and mentioned over a year before he got one Rinnigan. So yeah...extremely retarded thing to believe.

Also, 2R JJ Madara's strongest attack was easily countered.

 

[The Demon Hawk]

And Kaguya was alluded and mentioned over a year before he got one Rinnigan. So yeah...extremely retarded thing to believe.

Also, 2R JJ Madara's strongest attack was easily countered.

@bold And the point is?

 

[MAN OF SIN]

@bold And the point is?

That your argument about her purpose in the story makes zero sense. Hashirama noticing something on a cliff happened before even Obito became a Jin.

 

[The Demon Hawk]

That your argument about her purpose in the story makes zero sense. Hashirama noticing something on a cliff happened before even Obito became a Jin.

I'm not saying this was a random decision, obviously it was planned. But Madara is actually strong for Naruto and Sasuke to defeat, Kaguya is relatively easier to defeat without asspulls.

 

[MAN OF SIN]

I'm not saying this was a random decision, obviously it was planned. But Madara is actually strong for Naruto and Sasuke to defeat, Kaguya is relatively easier to defeat without asspulls.

They did defeat Kaguya with asspulls.

 

[The Demon Hawk]

They did defeat Kaguya with asspulls.

Those weren't asspulls. Kaguya had a lot of power and immense powerful chakra but she can't really utilize it in a proper way. She had absolutely no ninjutsu, so all that power went in vain. Her skills with those powers completely paled in comparison to Madara. Her taijutsu skills also weren't good since she wasn't trained or skilled in those aspects. Madara could have utilized lesser power than her in a much better way making him a dangerous opponent. All she was doing was spamming her Rinne Sharingan techs mostly Amenominaka which consumed too much chakra and had too little effect on Naruto and Sasuke. Her fighting style was defensive and evasive, Madara's fighting style was offensive, and Rinnegan techs were much heavier to handle. Kaguya couldn't overwhelm both Naruto and Sasuke at a single point aside from Planetary TSB. Whereas, Madara instantly overwhelmed both of them right after gaining both Rinnegans. Plus, she lacked the brain to fight, needed BZ to guide her on what to do.

 

[MAN OF SIN]

Those weren't asspulls. Kaguya had a lot of power and immense powerful chakra but she can't really utilize it in a proper way. She had absolutely no ninjutsu, so all that power went in vain. Her skills with those powers completely paled in comparison to Madara. Her taijutsu skills also weren't good since she wasn't trained or skilled in those aspects. Madara could have utilized lesser power than her in a much better way making him a dangerous opponent. All she was doing was spamming her Rinne Sharingan techs mostly Amenominaka. Her fighting style was defensive and evasive, Madara's fighting style was offensive, and Rinnegan techs were much heavier to handle. Kaguya couldn't overwhelm both Naruto and Sasuke at a single point aside from Planetary TSB. Whereas, Madara instantly overwhelmed both of them right after gaining both Rinnegans.

Double kamui
Sakura's opening dimesion
Team 7 surviving the gravity dimension
Kaguya not seeing through a transformation Jutsu with her doujutsu.

All asspulls and plot holes.

Oh according to the Databook Kaguya's taijutsu and chakra control was masterful.

 

[The Demon Hawk]

Double kamui
Sakura's opening dimesion
Team 7 surviving the gravity dimension
Kaguya not seeing through a transformation Jutsu with her doujutsu.

All asspulls and plot holes.

Oh according to the Databook Kaguya's taijutsu and chakra control was masterful.

Double Kamui what?

Sakura didn't open those dimensions. Obito did. And he had Six Paths chakra. Sakura just lended him more.

The gravity dimension affected Kaguya as well.

What transformation jutsu?

Kaguya's chakra control came in naturally with the power she gained, she got the innate ability to control chakra just like she innately got the ability to absorb chakra. Being the progenitor of chakra, that feat isn't surprising.

And her taijutsu sucks.

 

[MAN OF SIN]

Double Kamui what?

Kakashi getting PS.

Sakura didn't open those dimensions. Obito did. And he had Six Paths chakra. Sakura just lended him more.

Her having that much chakra makes no sense is what I mean.

The gravity dimension affected Kaguya as well.

It should have killed Sakura, Obito, Kakashi, and Sasuke. As they are vastly physically weaker than her and Naruto, lead alone run through it.

What transformation jutsu?

The one Naruto used against Kaguya.

Kaguya's chakra control came in naturally with the power she gained, she got the innate ability to control chakra just like she innately got the ability to absorb chakra. Being the progenitor of chakra, that feat isn't surprising.

Still doesn't stop it from being masterful.

And her taijutsu sucks.

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