Who did you prefer as the villain/antagonist: Madara or Obito?

[HiddenSound]

Orochimaru > both of them.

I agree u_u
But, oh well.

 

[ObitoGokuKakashi]

It's ironic that the completion is Tsuki no Me has ended his role as a villain.

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Madara created zetsu. He specifically created BZ to be his will and to watch and assist obito. However what madara didn't know was that BZ was not his will at all but kaguya's. It isn't a stretch to say that all the zetsu's who initially were thought to follow Madara's
will are actually working for kaguya. This shows how much kaguya was influencing madara since even his own creations which were suppose to act on his own will actually serve her. It also likely that she is the one that coaxed madara into absorbing the shinju. And finally since she was the original user of IT it isn't impossible to think that she was the one who manipulated madara into wanting to cast it.

Given the above one can say that kaguya has been using madara all along and now that his usefullness has expired, it is now left to BZ to dispose of him

Well said.

 

[DarkStar1]

I object what you said. TNJ will not work on Madara because he is immune to TNJ..

That's not completely true. Hashirama convinced Madara to ally with the Senju despite all of his protests and nearly forcing Hashirama to take his own life. He has shown resilience, sure, but people said the same of Obito and look what Naruto and Kakashi did to him.

It's the pattern of this manga; Madara will be TnJ'd. But that's for another thread.

Except, she didn't give a hand, unless you can show me where. Like I said, the only thing Kaguya influenced Madara one, was her power inspiration. Didn't do anything with the plan.​

It hasn't been shown as of yet, but Kishi's writing style in this facet is consistent and the writing is on the wall. I have no empirical evidence Kaguya has directly influenced Madara, but time will tell. Whether or not she did is largely irrelevant at this juncture anyway.

 

[DaileyM]

Obito, Anyday.

 

[Rogerr]

Madara, I never really looked at Obito as threatening.

 

[iKaras]

Waiting for Madara to get TNJ. It's in progress.

Could care less if the Sauce does it. That'd actually be something entirely new. Just not Nardo.

 

[HiddenSound]

Could care less if the Sauce does it. That'd actually be something entirely new. Just not Nardo.

Sasuke would make sense, but he seems to be the Danzō to Naruto's Hiruzen right now... I think he'd rather kill Madara than talk to him.
It'll be interesting to see how Sasuke goes about solving the problem of Madara.

 

[EPICMenma]

That's not completely true. Hashirama convinced Madara to ally with the Senju despite all of his protests and nearly forcing Hashirama to take his own life. He has shown resilience, sure, but people said the same of Obito and look what Naruto and Kakashi did to him.

It's the pattern of this manga; Madara will be TnJ'd. But that's for another thread.

No, In the past, Madara was originally kind man but now, Current Madara is lost himself and think that he is savior of world due to had power which might close to Kaguya's power. And He already succeed an Infinite Tsukuyomi. what made you think Sasuke'll TNJ him so Madara drops his plan?

 

[Gerkak]

Where does it say that Kaguya started manipulating Black Zetsu, the moment he was created? Rest is a fan-fictional nonsense you made up.​

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Dude did you read? The scan clearly shows BZ saying that he is kaguya's will. Which means he is acting under kaguya's instructions.
Look at the language I used. I never once stated that what I said was absolute fact. But this is what the manga is suggesting. How can BZ be kaguya's will if she wasn't controlling him since his creation? How can she not have been manipulating madara when even something he created wasn't serving him, but kaguya?

No need to get upset because someone isn't supporting your character

 

[Bronze]

Dude did you read? The scan clearly shows BZ saying that he is kaguya's will. Which means he is acting under kaguya's instructions.
Look at the language I used. I never once stated that what I said was absolute fact. But this is what the manga is suggesting. How can BZ be kaguya's will if she wasn't controlling him since his creation? How can she not have been manipulating madara when even something he created wasn't serving him, but kaguya?

No need to get upset because someone isn't supporting your character

I asked: Where does it say, Kaguya manipulated Black Zetsu, the moment he was created?​

 

[-Punk-]

People should really wait until Kaguya (if) she shows & explains what happened & the situations , instead of making assumptions , I think that's best for us u____________u.

 

[DarkStar1]

No, In the past, Madara was originally kind man but now, Current Madara is lost himself and think that he is savior of world due to had power which might close to Kaguya's power. And He already succeed an Infinite Tsukuyomi. what made you think Sasuke'll TNJ him so Madara drops his plan?

It is implied that Madara was Kaguya's tool as Black Zetsu is Kaguya's will. Madara, upon learning of being deceived all this time, will be ripe for the TnJ picking just as Obito was during his moment of hesitation to which either Sasuke or Hashirama will do the job, preferably Hashirama.

 

[Retsu]

Obito, the second maddy was introduced the power scaling went to shit, and maddy just plain sucks.

 

[xcoyote]

Obito Uchiha.

 

[NineSNS]

Even if Madara was the invisible manipulator, Obito is more directly and more thoroughly woven into the plot by his actions and relationships.

 

[EPICMenma]

It is implied that Madara was Kaguya's tool as Black Zetsu is Kaguya's will. Madara, upon learning of being deceived all this time, will be ripe for the TnJ picking just as Obito was during his moment of hesitation to which either Sasuke or Hashirama will do the job, preferably Hashirama.

Kaguya had nothing to do with this plan. I predict that BZ was created for the purpose to revive Kaguya in case if someone activate an Infinite Tsukuyomi. BZ does not want to Madara to be savior of world and betrayed him so Kaguya can be revived. Madara was never Kaguya's tool from beginning. Once Madara learned of being deceived, he would charge at them with full hatred instead listening to Hashirama and Sasuke.

 

[DarkStar1]

Kaguya had nothing to do with this plan. I predict that BZ was created for the purpose to revive Kaguya in case if someone activate an Infinite Tsukuyomi. BZ does not want to Madara to be savior of world and betrayed him so Kaguya can be revived. Madara was never Kaguya's tool from beginning. Once Madara learned of being deceived, he would charge at them with full hatred instead listening to Hashirama and Sasuke.

There's as much merit to this prediction as my own. Agree to disagree, yeah? Thanks for your input, though.

It appears Obito is taking a solid lead now. Ironic considering how much shit he got during his actual tenure as a villain.

 

[Untamed]

Obito, the second maddy was introduced the power scaling went to shit, and maddy just plain sucks.

If Madara was the same level as Naruto/Sasuke, he would've been killed by now.. by his opponents.

There's as much merit to this prediction as my own. Agree to disagree, yeah? Thanks for your input, though.

It appears Obito is taking a solid lead now. Ironic considering how much shit he got during his actual tenure as a villain.

When Obito was at his strongest, he didn't do anything .

ot: The villains don't live up to their full potential. Every huge step they take as antagonists, they take another step back. After Obito took off his mask, he could've gone further through villain territory. His reasons and the way he presents them and his actions as the Juubi Jinchuriki were pretty dull and kind of just buying time for him to make the 'switch' from "bad guy".

 

[UltimateDeadpool]

Obito was basically the whole manga, Madara was squeezed in late into the series and only really gained importance to the plot by being made the guiding hand for Obito.

 

[DarkStar1]

When Obito was at his strongest, he didn't do anything .

ot: The villains don't live up to their full potential. Every huge step they take as antagonists, they take another step back. After Obito took off his mask, he could've gone further through villain territory. His reasons and the way he presents them and his actions as the Juubi Jinchuriki were pretty dull and kind of just buying time for him to make the 'switch' from "bad guy".

Quite true. But Madara was little more than a punching bag once he became Juubi jinchuuriki and received his second Rinnegan. He was crushed by Gai, Naruto, Sasuke, and now Zetsu.