Who can Kakashi and Gai beat in Akatsuki? (Duo)

[Oblivionx]

They probably beat all. Itachi and kisame being the hardest battle. Nagato won't stand a chance against S/T and taijutsu specialist. And kabuto's genjutsu is useless because kakashi can just break gai out using sharingan like itachi and sasuke did for each other and gai can then break out kakashi. SM kabuto might still be hard though now that i think about it. His liquefying ability can be dangerous so they might win.

 

[EZQ]

Lol what? Nagato said "this pressure" the blood had nothing to do with it, and if you look in the next scan he used ST before Itachi even used Koto and Amertarasu has roughly the same buildup lol, Kamui's is shorter but Nagato can use ST nigh instantly. Nagato felt the pressure there, and he'll feel the pressure with Kamui. Using ST also takes less time than warning Naruto.

Dude, AFTER the blood had dropped to Itachi's cheek, Nagato sensed the pressure. I use the blood dripping to show how much time it took nagato to sense the pressure. And it was not Amaterasu build up, it was Kotoamatsukami build up.

Also, Nagato would be the one reacting to kamui, not the way around. He is not the agressor, so even if he had the same speed kamui has, he would still be at a disadvantage.

 

[Zexion~]

Dude, AFTER the blood had dropped to Itachi's cheek, Nagato sensed the pressure. I use the blood dripping to show how much time it took nagato to sense the pressure. And it was not Amaterasu build up, it was Kotoamatsukami build up.

Also, Nagato would be the one reacting to kamui, not the way around. He is not the agressor, so even if he had the same speed kamui has, he would still be at a disadvantage.

Because that is the time Koto generated that kind of pressure lol my dude the time in which he sensed the pressure means nothing, as if he can sense it at all it means that whenver pressure is generated he is sensing it....now does Kamui generate a similar sense of pressure? Probably yes, so he's sensing it and literally immediately when he senses it he can use ST

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Because that is the time Koto generated that kind of pressure lol my dude the time in which he sensed the pressure means nothing, as if he can sense it at all it means that whenver pressure is generated he is sensing it....now does Kamui generate a similar sense of pressure? Probably yes, so he's sensing it and literally immediately when he senses it he can use ST

St is slower than kamui tho. Even if we were to assume they were the same speed kakashi still has first move advantage.

 

[Zexion~]

St is slower than kamui tho. Even if we were to assume they were the same speed kakashi still has first move advantage.

Not the first build-up it ain't

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Not the first build-up it ain't

yes it is. See sasuke vs kakashi at summit.
And even that that doesn't address the second part of what i said.

Unless youre saying Shinra tensei is faster than kamui in this situation nagato will always lose.

 

[Disaster]

Itachi and kisame would lose due to itachi's illness, healthy itachi can solo both of them at the same time. the only duo that can beat kakashi and gai is orochimaru and kabuto

 

[Zexion~]

yes it is. See sasuke vs kakashi at summit.
And even that that doesn't address the second part of what i said.

Unless youre saying Shinra tensei is faster than kamui in this situation nagato will always lose.

ST would have reacted fine to the arrow....what is your point? Once Nagato senses something the jutsu is basically instant lol his mental reactions are superb.

 

[EZQ]

Because that is the time Koto generated that kind of pressure lol my dude the time in which he sensed the pressure means nothing, as if he can sense it at all it means that whenver pressure is generated he is sensing it....now does Kamui generate a similar sense of pressure? Probably yes, so he's sensing it and literally immediately when he senses it he can use ST

But there's your mistake. The time spawn between the "generating pressure" and the warping is shorter than a susano arrow covering a few metters. The claim of Nagato doing anything is ridiculouss.

 

[Unorthodox]

Not the first build-up it ain't

Nuh-kuh stop the build up is nigh instant I. Some cases look how fast he tried to kamui the mazo and the sm rasengan that hit him. Nagato gets sniped and St is useless he cannot move a black hole.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

ST would have reacted fine to the arrow....what is your point? Once Nagato senses something the jutsu is basically instant lol his mental reactions are superb.

Remember what you posted:

Not the first build-up it ain't

kakashi built up and activated kamui while the arrows were in mid flight.

So yes even in the case of "initial buildup" it's faster.

Nagato sensing it still means the jutsu is already being activated.

Chain of events:

Kakashi goes for kamui>nagato senses it> nagato goes for ST

THE ONLY WAY st beats out kamui is if you imply ST is faster than kamui.

So please jump out the window and say it's faster without any feats to back it up.

 

[EZQ]

Not only faster, it needs to be WAY faster, since Kakashi is the agressor, and Nagato has to actually react to it and outspeed it.

 

[Zexion~]

Nuh-kuh stop the build up is nigh instant I. Some cases look how fast he tried to kamui the mazo and the sm rasengan that hit him. Nagato gets sniped and St is useless he cannot move a black hole.

Pretty sure Kamuing the Mezo/Juubi head took time and I don't recall the SM Rasengan feat.

 

[Unorthodox]

Pretty sure Kamuing the Mezo/Juubi head took time and I don't recall the SM Rasengan feat.

That was like a single page. And the rasengan minato tried to hit Madara be with.

 

[EZQ]

Oh god let's not begin to use pages and squares as time parameters. We already have a parameter of Kakashi's build up.

Scan-->Scan is not enough to determine how much time it took. But Nagato for sure doesn't have feats to surpass Kakashi's against sasuke.