Who can Gaara beat in Akatsuki

[DrProof]

Chilling on my phone, so not going to bother looking for scans, but remember when Gaara used his sand through Mei/Ay's Water Dragon/Raiton combo jutsu on Madara? The water didn't slow his sand down or change its composition like the Trollkage's oil.

Gaara can send sand from underneath Kisame's water source and above it in order to overwhelm him inside his own shelter, meanwhile Gaara is just chillen on his sand cloud. The fact that Kisame can't absorb/stop the sand eventually just does him in.



Because Nagato is a different monster that doesn't rely on his other counter parts. Nagato can just summon a creature at his feet to escape while using Bansho Tennin to disrupt Gaara, etc., and its even stronger than the Paths I've heard. Also, each individual 6POP doesn't have the same reaction speed, so its much easier to take them out. Nagato can go all out with CST, without the Paths getting in the way, etc, etc. I just see it out of Gaara's reach.


Lol, Gaara is probably like my favorite character to debate with. Fkn monster.

lmfao swear bro. Gaara's always been my favorite, dude is versatile as shit, with a lit ass arsenal, and a lot of people underrate the kid, when in reality he's top 10 material (if not counting jubi jins, and all that other BS).

Isn't Nagato crippled though? Didn't he need Itachi's help to summon the bird or some shit? Idk man, I didn't really red the war arc not going to lie lmfao.

"Sand Sensing"? Is that a thing for Gaara? I don't remember it. Like I said previously, if Gaara is in the air Deidara is capable of controlling Gaara's general area with homing bombs. Obviously most will be tanked without hurting Gaara, but Gaara has to at least position himself which Deidara can take advantage of.

I'm not buying it because Water Dome had pretty much no cooldown time, and has a massive horizontal and vertical radius.

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In character Gaara does not fight his opponents from that height, especially while they are on the ground. Unless he has intel (which I would cede then), Gaara isn't going to assume a massive ocean will turn into a massive dome that catches him.

Maybe I don't understand your point. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought your claim was that because Gaara controls his sand's gravity, ST and CST will have no effect on it since they are also gravity manipulation. I'm telling you that just because Gaara controls his sand does not mean he controls gravity in general; I can lift a dumbell off the ground and hold it in the air. Am I controlling gravity? Obviously not. In fact, gravity is fighting *against* me. This is like saying Planes or Blimps control gravity, lol. Gaara's sand manipulation is a form of telekensis, which is just lifting things with your mind. Telepaths still have to put forth effort to lift things because they're still basically using a muscle, not controlling gravity. On the flip side, Deva Path literally does control gravity as explained in the manga.

So I have absolutley no reason to believe in a neutral location that Gaara can tank a CST.

Yeah, remember the Mizukage's clam? Gaara used sand particles, and scattered them all across the terrain to locate the clam. With Sand Sensing the C4 is moot tbh, then its just C1 - C3 vs Gaara, and its clear Gaara wins there, as he was babyshaking Deidara while protecting his village no diff. Only until Deidara did that diversion tactic to make Gaara choose between his village, or himself did Gaara slip up. Without his village in the way, Gaara spanks that blondes ass.

In character Gaara does fight aerial though? He switches between aerial, and being grounded, but you can't say its not in character when it is. If you want to apply the IC rule, then we can say Kisame doesn't use water dome until the end of fights, or GSB is only used when he's pressured. IC is stupid tbh, because more debates/arguments don't stick to it in the long run, so everything is just OoC from the get go.

No he controls his sands gravity, not gravity in general is what I'm saying. ST's range is short from my knowledge, only CST is far spread, but CST isn't doing much to Gaara's reinforced sand defense imo, not something that can tank multiple Susano'o slashes while just being his base passive defense. The only feats CST has is destroying Konoha, Gaara's sand is much more durable than the village. Feat wise I think Gaara would do well against it, as it's only feat is destroying a structure that's not even close to Gaara's defense durability.

 

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lmfao swear bro. Gaara's always been my favorite, dude is versatile as shit, with a lit ass arsenal, and a lot of people underrate the kid, when in reality he's top 10 material (if not counting jubi jins, and all that other BS).

Isn't Nagato crippled though? Didn't he need Itachi's help to summon the bird or some shit? Idk man, I didn't really red the war arc not going to lie lmfao.



Yeah, remember the Mizukage's clam? Gaara used sand particles, and scattered them all across the terrain to locate the clam. With Sand Sensing the C4 is moot tbh, then its just C1 - C3 vs Gaara, and its clear Gaara wins there, as he was babyshaking Deidara while protecting his village no diff. Only until Deidara did that diversion tactic to make Gaara choose between his village, or himself did Gaara slip up. Without his village in the way, Gaara spanks that blondes ass.

In character Gaara does fight aerial though? He switches between aerial, and being grounded, but you can't say its not in character when it is. If you want to apply the IC rule, then we can say Kisame doesn't use water dome until the end of fights, or GSB is only used when he's pressured. IC is stupid tbh, because more debates/arguments don't stick to it in the long run, so everything is just OoC from the get go.

No he controls his sands gravity, not gravity in general is what I'm saying. ST's range is short from my knowledge, only CST is far spread, but CST isn't doing much to Gaara's reinforced sand defense imo, not something that can tank multiple Susano'o slashes while just being his base passive defense. The only feats CST has is destroying Konoha, Gaara's sand is much more durable than the village. Feat wise I think Gaara would do well against it, as it's only feat is destroying a structure that's not even close to Gaara's defense durability.

Alright, I didn't know about sand-sensing. That makes sense, and C4 was my only hang up on the match.

I didn't say he doesn't go aerial, I said he doesn't go aerial at the height of Water Dome while in character (my scan didn't work). Obviosly he's capable of going that high, but my point is that without intel he's (1) not going to be that high regardless, and (2) since he won't be that high, without intel Water Dome catches him. The reason I'm using the IC bit is because without it, for Gaara, there's virtually no reason for him to not just stay 500 meters in the air against every opponent he fights. Then he's just unbeatable by 99% of characters that can't reach, which is both boring and pretty dumb. At least Kisame can still be reasonably fought against when pulling out Waterdome right off the bat, and Gaara is still able to fly whenever he wants.

Gaara uses telekensis, he doesn't control "sand gravity" lol. Gaara is not tanking CST in a neutral environment. CST >>>> V3 Susano'o slashes, and you're going to have to provide some CST-level tanking feats for Gaara to back this up (again, in a neutral environment). Not that it matters anyways, because CT absolutely catches Gaara. No idea why you think he can outrun it, if that is launched in his general direction Gaara has zero feats suggesting he can overpower its pull and escape.

 

[DrProof]

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Alright, I didn't know about sand-sensing. That makes sense, and C4 was my only hang up on the match.

I didn't say he doesn't go aerial, I said he doesn't go aerial at the height of Water Dome while in character (my scan didn't work). Obviosly he's capable of going that high, but my point is that without intel he's (1) not going to be that high regardless, and (2) since he won't be that high, without intel Water Dome catches him. The reason I'm using the IC bit is because without it, for Gaara, there's virtually no reason for him to not just stay 500 meters in the air against every opponent he fights. Then he's just unbeatable by 99% of characters that can't reach, which is both boring and pretty dumb. At least Kisame can still be reasonably fought against when pulling out Waterdome right off the bat, and Gaara is still able to fly whenever he wants.

Gaara uses telekensis, he doesn't control "sand gravity" lol. Gaara is not tanking CST in a neutral environment. CST >>>> V3 Susano'o slashes, and you're going to have to provide some CST-level tanking feats for Gaara to back this up (again, in a neutral environment). Not that it matters anyways, because CT absolutely catches Gaara. No idea why you think he can outrun it, if that is launched in his general direction Gaara has zero feats suggesting he can overpower its pull and escape.

I don't like the fact that you're underrating Gaara's sand speed. He was capable of erecting this much sand instantly:

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He was also capable of doing this to Deidara, instantly...

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His sand speed is incredibly fast, and that's just early pt.2 feats.

He's easily able to outspeed Kisame's WD execution, and yes, he would go that high, it makes logical sense for him to. Why would he simply stay in place? You don't need intel to evade something that's clearly transforming into something stupendously large. Idk why you're even arguing that Gaara would be caught in WD man, he's faster than onoki, who's faster than Deidara flight wise. Combine their feats, and he easily reacts to WD.

Controlling his sands gravity is pretty much the same as manipulating it with his mind lol. But I get your point it isn't gravity manipulation. CST > V3 Susano'o slashes on what pretense? CST's show of power is expansive, but that doesn't make it anymore lethal. That's like saying a grenade >>>> a sniper rifle because the grenade has more expansive range.

 

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I don't like the fact that you're underrating Gaara's sand speed. He was capable of erecting this much sand instantly:

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He was also capable of doing this to Deidara, instantly...

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His sand speed is incredibly fast, and that's just early pt.2 feats.

He's easily able to outspeed Kisame's WD execution, and yes, he would go that high, it makes logical sense for him to. Why would he simply stay in place? You don't need intel to evade something that's clearly transforming into something stupendously large. Idk why you're even arguing that Gaara would be caught in WD man, he's faster than onoki, who's faster than Deidara flight wise. Combine their feats, and he easily reacts to WD.

Controlling his sands gravity is pretty much the same as manipulating it with his mind lol. But I get your point it isn't gravity manipulation. CST > V3 Susano'o slashes on what pretense? CST's show of power is expansive, but that doesn't make it anymore lethal. That's like saying a grenade >>>> a sniper rifle because the grenade has more expansive range.

Unless Gaara wants whiplash, none of the sand he's sitting on will be moving that quickly.

And I simply disagree. Otherwise, why not just argue for every Versus fight that Gaara goes up 600 meters and chills there soamming sand? Boom, Gaara wins almost every fight. Gaara obviously has a general range he hovers at, and based off what we've seen in the manga, it's not above Waterdome in that scan. The only time he did was when he fought Deidara, another flying opponent that he had to get level with. Not to mention Kisame can blast him with Water Shark Bombs if he's outside of Waterdome, and when one connects, his sand just becomes mud incapable of further defense.

A grenade is more powerful than a sniper rifle though, lol. Unless you're talking a .50cal. CST far outweighs a V3 Susano'o blade's attack power because expansive range does matter. This isn't Kingdom of the Crystal Skull, where you can survive a nuke's radius by hiding in a fridge. Extreme power + Extreme range = an extremely strong attack. You'll need to provide the evidence that suggests a V3 Susano'os blades are on par with CST, not the other way around.

 

[Zexion~]

I truly want to know what people think Gaara's sand did when it was combined with Mei's water dragon. He literally just placed it in the water and since it was all going to Madara anyways THAT is how it reached him lol Gaara wasn't doing shit, and they were merely grains before conforming onto Madara, even then the pressure from the water can be what caused the sand to clump up.

Anyways in a neutral setting

-Kakuzu
-Kisame
-Deidara
-Itachi
-Nagato
-Obito

CAN BEAT HIM



In a desert

-Deidara
-Kisame (Maybe)
-Itachi
-Nagato
-Obito

CAN BEAT HIM

 

[Antdog]

I'd say that Gaara could beat everyone bar the Dojutsu trio in a desert and when he has to flood the place with sand I'd say Sasori would have a good shot at beating him otherwise he'd still beat the others

 

[Forbidden Technique]

lmfao swear bro. Gaara's always been my favorite, dude is versatile as shit, with a lit ass arsenal, and a lot of people underrate the kid, when in reality he's top 10 material (if not counting jubi jins, and all that other BS).

I think his capabilities and potential are definitely overlooked. In my opinion, he's high-kage level and the strongest of the Gokage by the end of the manga. Imagine if he ever became a perfect Jin, lmao.

 

[blazekev90]

Lol he shits on Orochimaru, stop.

Nagato's only way of harming Gaara is Deva path. CT can be avoided.

Obito with one MS is useless vs sand spam. Intangible for xx minutes, then he eventually dies. Double MS Obito shits though.

Garra doesn't shit on an unrestricted Orochimaru, let alone Zetsu Orochimaru which defeats him low-mid difficulty thanks to spores. And before you say it, this isn't about favoritism, as Garra is top 3 favorite characters.

Base Orochimaru evades sand spam with simply by out maneuvering it. Orochimaru's biggest obstacle is his inability to pose a threat to airborne Garra considering his versatility. Therefore, he'd (Orochimaru) would need to create an opening for a sneak assault.

 

[KidGamer65]

Obito, Itachi, Pain, and maybe Kisame can beat him. He beats the rest 100% of the time.

 

[ToshiZO]

No one besides Obito Itachi Pain even push him past mid difficulty tbh.

Edit: Deidara can actually.

 

[Made in Heaven]

Desert: Beats Kakuzu, Zetsu, Hidan, Sasori, Itachi, Konan. Loses to Pain, Kisame, Deidara, Obito.

Neutral: Beats all the above, but now loses to Kakuzu, Itachi.

Limited: Beats all the above, but now loses to Sasori.