That's why I say its a stalemate, Gaara hovers above the water dome, then what does Kisame do? Lol that's why that match up is so dumb to me. Gaara will simply hover over, and drop loads of sand into Kisame's water dome, while Kisame just swims around in his fish bowl, until they both get tired, and go home.
Who can Gaara beat in Akatsuki
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Desert: Gaara stomps Hidan, Konan, Zetsu, Sasori, Kakuzu, and Kisame. Mid diffs Deidara and Itachi. High diffs 6POP. Possibly beats MS Obito dependent on intel. Loses to Nagato.
Neutral Location: Gaara stomps Hidan, Konan, Zetsu, Sasori, and Kakuzu. Mid-high diffs Deidara and Kisame. Goes either way with Itachi and 6POP. Loses to Nagato and MS Obito.
Gourd Sand restriction: Gaara stomps Hidan and Zetsu. Goes either way with Konan. Loses to everyone else.
Neutral Location: Gaara stomps Hidan, Konan, Zetsu, Sasori, and Kakuzu. Mid-high diffs Deidara and Kisame. Goes either way with Itachi and 6POP. Loses to Nagato and MS Obito.
Gourd Sand restriction: Gaara stomps Hidan and Zetsu. Goes either way with Konan. Loses to everyone else.
For the sand at use yeah, but Gaara could simply use his chakra to reapply the manipulation, making Kisame's GSB usage useless. Idk why Kisame would use it though, Gaara could easily out-speed the shit, and dodge.
Why would he lose to 6POP? The legit only problem is CT, which can be avoided, and Shinra Tensei/Bansho Tenin aren't much of a problem here considering Gaara's own gravity manipulation, so I'd presume they'd fight for superiority/neutralize one another.
No intel needed one 1 MS Obito, sand spam is enough for 10 minutes tbh.
I think Itachi would be high diff even in a desert.
I agree to all except:
Kisame
Itachi
Kisame can create his own ocean at will regardless of terrain.
Itachi's genjutsu tricks and 1 shot abilities would make it extremely difficult even if gaara could pull out a win. Im not even bringing in Yata mirror but I believe the fight would be high difficulty especially with crows
Gaara beats;
Hidan, Zetsu, Kakuzu, Konan, Sasori.
Gaara loses to;
Itachi, Kisame, Deidara, 6POP.
Don't know about Tobi.
What's Gaara's answer to C4?
Kisame's Water Dome negs Gaara's aresenal.
Itachi is an obvious win.
CT, CST, ST, all allow 6POP a win when coupled with the rest of the 6POP abilities.
Hidan, Zetsu, Kakuzu, Konan, Sasori.
Gaara loses to;
Itachi, Kisame, Deidara, 6POP.
Don't know about Tobi.
What's Gaara's answer to C4?
Kisame's Water Dome negs Gaara's aresenal.
Itachi is an obvious win.
CT, CST, ST, all allow 6POP a win when coupled with the rest of the 6POP abilities.
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With a whole desert immediately at his disposal, 6POP are all shot. Deva isn't ever getting off CT in the first place. He would have to ST the sand at his feet, and then Gaara easily exploits the 5 second cool down. Gaara is a tactical fighter that can simultaneously attack at all angles, while also defending himself. Way too overwhelming.
Kisame loses because chakra absorption doesn't stop Gaara's sand, as seen with Madara's Preta Path being hard countered by it. Also, water doesn't do a great job slowing down his sand either.
Not in here for a long discussion, but like I told proof... Gaara in a desert location is just way too overwhelming. Itachi isn't lasting very long. He has a counter method to almost Itachi's entire arsenal, while Susano'o doesn't protect below the feet.
Same way Sasuke noticed the environment deteriorating around him (the birds and shit), is the way Gaara would, then Gaara merely needs to fly the same height as Deidara to avoid being hit.
Kisame is a stalemate tbh, with Gaara having the advantage.
6POP only thing that's trouble is Deva though. Why do they win? CT can be avoided though. ST/BT vs Gaara would most likely be futile, seeing as Gaara manipulate gravity himself through his sound cloud, so they'd fight for superiority, or Gaara would just nudge forward a bit imo. It's never been used on a flying opponent I don't believe.
Itachi can go either way imo, depends on if Gaara has the location advantage, if not Itachi wins imo.
@Bold Im pretty sure in water sand's integrity is severely compromised on top of that Kisame is much faster in water
I say this because Kisame can literally create an ocean at will.
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Literally how there fight would be. Yes Gaara in the desert is extremely OP however Kisame's water creation abilities are also OP. Each has their element at their disposal which is why I believe it would be a tie.
Exactly, you said Nagato wins though. Wouldn't how he beats 6POP be the same for Nagato? Except easier because its one person? I always thought Gaara shitted on 6POP in a desert location.
True enough to Itachi. Only a few people left on base that know what Gaara can really do g.
Lol, and yeah water > sand is a filler weakness. Remember he manipulated his sand through Mei's water.
It wouldn't be easier simply because taking out a pain removes an ability.
As shown with Nagato vs Bee and Naruto Nagato is capable of simultaneously using all his path abilities.
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Side note: ^^ They were so clueless its not even funny
I made all these comments with a neutral location in mind, to preface.
If it's in a neutral location, what will Gaara be able to see that disintergrates? Obviously he'll avoid the giant walking C4, but once it goes off and Deidara starts sending some homing bombs his way, I think Gaara would just write it off and end up inhaling some micro bombs.
I don't buy this, I think Kisame's Water Dome negs Gaara's entire arsenal, assuming Gaara is caught in it. Which I think he will be, since Kisame pulled it off in like 10 seconds flat and it has an enourmous radius. After he gets caught, his sand is basically worthless and Kisame can rip him to shreds, both with fusion and with shark summons.
Gaara doesn't manipulate gravity... Shinra Tensei and CST would absolutely send Gaara flying, if Gaara had complete control over the "gravity" of his sand, it would block pretty much any physical attack that hits it. Which we know is false, because physical attacks make Gaara's sand fly away or dissipate when hit. The other Paths are pretty much worthless on their own, but not with Deva for back up.
In a neutral location it's for sure Itachi, in a desert I still believe Genjutsu one-shots with feints.
But having to focus on one body makes basic strategy easier to implicate. Nagato can't do CT, summon an animal, fire asura rockets etc. at the same time, he's just one person, while with his paths he could do things simultaneously making it harder.
With Asura path he is able to have multiple arms and weapons. Why wouldn't he be able to use multiple paths at once?
He used Human Path on Naruto while using Preta Path, and Asura path arms on Bee.
Nagato is by far stronger than 6pop
Deva,Asura,Animal,Preta in one is an arsenal very few can take on.
He literally wrecked 1 Perject Jin and a KCM Naruto by himself
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Gaara flies at the same general height as his opponents though, along with being obviously one of the most intelligent we've seen thus far. Once he sees the giant Deidara explode, and Deidara hovering above an easy counter to C4 is sand sensing, the sand would undeniably coat the nano bombs, allowing Gaara to sense them.
A grain of sand can be as small as 0.004 mm, so they'd easily do the job.
Why wouldn't you buy it? How is Gaara being caught in Water Dome when he's in the air in the first place? That doesn't make sense to me. Literally he's already in the air, and he sees Kisame spewing out water, that progresses into a dome, what would you do? Sit there, and let it engulf you?
Why doesn't Gaara manipulate his sands gravity? ... Sand isn't supposed to levitate, sand isn't supposed to rise from the ground, and attack his opponents aerial, or on the ground. Gaara controls his sands gravity, there's literally no other explanation for what he does there. Controlling the gravity of oneself doesn't mean you'll repel physical attacks where are you getting that from? That's like saying because Deva can fly with his gravity manipulation, he's immune to physical attack passively. How does that make sense? Deva was hit multiple times by Naruto, yet he's supposed to be "immune"... Nagato was hit multiple times yet he's supposed ot be "immune."
Oh he did. My fault then. I still believe one person is easier than 6 in regards to Gaara's sheer area of effect style of fighting. Not like Nagato has anything outside of his Deva abilities that will cause a problem still.
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Chilling on my phone, so not going to bother looking for scans, but remember when Gaara used his sand through Mei/Ay's Water Dragon/Raiton combo jutsu on Madara? The water didn't slow his sand down or change its composition like the Trollkage's oil.
Gaara can send sand from underneath Kisame's water source and above it in order to overwhelm him inside his own shelter, meanwhile Gaara is just chillen on his sand cloud. The fact that Kisame can't absorb/stop the sand eventually just does him in.
Because Nagato is a different monster that doesn't rely on his other counter parts. Nagato can just summon a creature at his feet to escape while using Bansho Tennin to disrupt Gaara, etc., and its even stronger than the Paths I've heard. Also, each individual 6POP doesn't have the same reaction speed, so its much easier to take them out. Nagato can go all out with CST, without the Paths getting in the way, etc, etc. I just see it out of Gaara's reach.
Lol, Gaara is probably like my favorite character to debate with. Fkn monster.
"Sand Sensing"? Is that a thing for Gaara? I don't remember it. Like I said previously, if Gaara is in the air Deidara is capable of controlling Gaara's general area with homing bombs. Obviously most will be tanked without hurting Gaara, but Gaara has to at least position himself which Deidara can take advantage of.
I'm not buying it because Water Dome had pretty much no cooldown time, and has a massive horizontal and vertical radius.
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In character Gaara does not fight his opponents from that height, especially while they are on the ground. Unless he has intel (which I would cede then), Gaara isn't going to assume a massive ocean will turn into a massive dome that catches him.
Maybe I don't understand your point. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought your claim was that because Gaara controls his sand's gravity, ST and CST will have no effect on it since they are also gravity manipulation. I'm telling you that just because Gaara controls his sand does not mean he controls gravity in general; I can lift a dumbell off the ground and hold it in the air. Am I controlling gravity? Obviously not. In fact, gravity is fighting *against* me. This is like saying Planes or Blimps control gravity, lol. Gaara's sand manipulation is a form of telekenesis, which is just lifting things with your mind. Telepaths still have to put forth effort to lift things because they're still basically using a muscle, not controlling gravity. On the flip side, Deva Path literally does control gravity as explained in the manga.
So I have absolutley no reason to believe in a neutral location that Gaara can tank a CST.
