Who can defeat Nagato, the way Naruto did, without knowledge?

[Pravin5]

They would be beaten horribly.

^ This Exactly.

 

[TouchMyMangos]

and why without? He has sound genjutsu, Muki tensei, kimmimaro's bone field.. etc

And hiruzens situation was different......Not only did he have to kill himself to beat them, but there is a massive power gap between part 1 and 2.... If oro was in part 2 and using shit like flower world , things would have been different...... Lets not forget also that they were entrapped in a closed area, causing hashirama to not be able to use large scale jutsu

Hiruzen's power would've been upped too. So that is irrelevant. And no Kabuto cannot defeat him without Edo Tensei.

Those who say Gaara are laughable.

 

[Baka Sennin]

kabuto with sage mode possibly (he needs to find a way around chibaku tensei but he can handle the rest), bm naruto, and minato

 

[AP2k]

Mu, skikaku (with some prep to distract the peins), hashi, tobirama, minato, itachi maybe,

 

[Owarij]

kabuto with sage mode possibly (he needs to find a way around chibaku tensei but he can handle the rest), bm naruto, and minato

he can turn himself into liquid state Or he can just use muki tensei on the rocks to change its form

Hiruzen's power would've been upped too. So that is irrelevant. And no Kabuto cannot defeat him without Edo Tensei.

Those who say Gaara are laughable.

And even if his power is upped, he stil can't take 2 edo hokages.. the very point of using edo tensei was because he had nothing else in his arsenal to beat them..

 

[senjuuzumaki451]

Hashirama, probably minato still unsure since we don't know all his abilities, gaara probably can, and also the third raikage

 

[senjuuzumaki451]

Forgot about itachi

 

[Baka Sennin]

he can turn himself into liquid state Or he can just use muki tensei on the rocks to change its form

And even if his power is upped, he stil can't take 2 edo hokages.. the very point of using edo tensei was because he had nothing else in his arsenal to beat them..

i'm not sure the liquid thing will work as he would still be crushed without a way out, but yeah the muki tensei might work.

 

[Ryuu..]

I'm intrigued to know why Gaara's name is being mentioned. Pain > Itachi (and other Akatsuki members) is canon, as the manga has shown through a certain statement (which lies outside character bias).

 

[Icelerate]

I'm intrigued to know why Gaara's name is being mentioned. Pain > Itachi (and other Akatsuki members) is canon, as the manga has shown through a certain statement (which lies outside character bias).

Some people believe Gaara is stronger than Itachi and Sasuke therefore they believe he can defeat Pain especially considering Gaara does have some counters to Pain's abilities.

 

[Ryuu..]

Some people believe Gaara is stronger than Itachi and Sasuke therefore they believe he can defeat Pain especially considering Gaara does have some counters to Pain's abilities.

Really? Interesting.

 

[blackstar9]

I dont get your question

1) Naruto didnt beat Nagato!!! He beat dead body with chakra receivers. After tracking Nagato they didnt even fight !!! They talked and Nagato revived everyone his paths killed in konoha.

2) Naruto told Itachi and Bee that Nagato jutsu were on a much higher level since he was in person!!!! And it took Itachi,Bee,ans Naruto to beat him.

3) Knowledge was key in just surviving long enough to meet Nagato in person.As strong as SM naruto is he would have been killed without help.

Lets look at all the help naruto got. Pa took the message pervy sage left back to the leaf .The cipher corps ,shizune autopsy,and Pa and Ma experience fighting pain ,kakashi experience fighting pain. found out pain ability.during the fight naruto had ma and pa plus mini katsuyu giving naruto intel.So naruto didnt beat Nagato period .And without the intel gathered he couldnt survive to meet Nagato in person. Thats why i dont get your question

 

[Stark]

Madara

Kabuto with Edo

Tobi with Rinnengan

Oro with edo Hokages

 

[Helikido]

Itachi would stand the highest chance, and A too because of his speed. BM Naruto would be stripped away from his kyubii chakra. Also Naruto only survived that fight because pain wanted him to. Remember when he has pinned down? Ya...

 

[Icelerate]

Really? Interesting.

I don't, Itachi, Sasuke or Pain would defeat Gaara even in a desert.

 

[Invsblphntm]

Itachi would stand the highest chance, and A too because of his speed. BM Naruto would be stripped away from his kyubii chakra. Also Naruto only survived that fight because pain wanted him to. Remember when he has pinned down? Ya...

Itachi can't beat Pain, manga fact. If Itachi can't win, Sasuke can't win.

A would get Preta Path'd and he'd be ****ed when he can't use his Raiton Armor.

BM Naruto would lose too, Preta Path would **** him up too.

Gaara in desert might win, Sand Tsunami spam, or would that be the same as Jiraiya's oil and it would get Preta Path'd? I don't know. Thats about all I can think of, no one without knowledge really wins...

 

[Mark Uzumaki]

You know Naruto

Got knowledge on Pain he shouldn't have gotten
Deva path was out of action until 3 paths or 4 were destroyed
Hinata interfered when Naruto was captured (lost the battle)
Pain wanted to capture the jinchuriki alive (no killing intent)

 

[medal32]

TenTen, Ramen guy and Moegi

 

[SilverSlick]

Minato could I guess.

 

[Maunten]

Tobi.