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Pre time skip Luffy defeated Shiki in Strong World.
And Strong World is canon movie.
Shiki can't beat Akainu in one on one match.
[Discussion] who can defeat Akainu
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Pre time skip Luffy defeated Shiki in Strong World.
And Strong World is canon movie.
Shiki can't beat Akainu in one on one match.
Sorry can't see them. They are not working
Pre time skip Luffy defeated Shiki in Strong World.
And Strong World is canon movie.
Shiki can't beat Akainu in one on one match.
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I said when Akainu was holding him off.
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Yep this works.
Still I think Shiki can't beat Akainu.
Pre time skip Luffy defeated him in Strong World
First of all it wasn't prime Shiki that Luffy defeated.Even then his defeat involves a lot of plot BS that I don't even want to point out. Besides,The movie doesn't coincide with the actual story line so I don't think it'd hold any value in manga but you're free to believe whatever you want so I won't say that you're wrong.
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First part, that is nothing new. Luffy defeated Doffy because of plot. Doffy could have killed him(when his gear 4time ended).
Secondly Movie is canon. It was written by Oda. U can check it.
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Plotholes are common in these types of movies like Naruto The Last where Toneri put Naruto under a genjutsu. (Perfect Jins are suppose to be immune to genjutsu)
It doesn't matter what u think
Dying/sick WB destroyed Marineford, fought Akainu & number of guys.On the other hand shiki was destroyed by a lightning. He was not the strongest guy in OP.
In his prime,Shiki brought a fleet to fight Roger. He was a coward who immediately ran away after his fleet was destroyed in storm. He was also caught by Garp when he tried to destroy MF.
The only reason u think shiki can win against Akainu is because he fought Garp & sengoku. 2admiral lvl guys.
Jack also fought 2admiral lvl guys. So u think Jack can beat Akainu?
Or u think Moriah can beat Akainu because he fought Kaido in his Prime?
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First part, that is nothing new. Luffy defeated Doffy because of plot. Doffy could have killed him(when his gear 4time ended).
Secondly Movie is canon. It was written by Oda. U can check it.
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Plotholes are common in these types of movies like Naruto The Last where Toneri put Naruto under a genjutsu. (Perfect Jins are suppose to be immune to genjutsu)
It doesn't matter what u think
Dying/sick WB destroyed Marineford, fought Akainu & number of guys.On the other hand shiki was destroyed by a lightning. He was not the strongest guy in OP.
In his prime,Shiki brought a fleet to fight Roger. He was a coward who immediately ran away after his fleet was destroyed in storm. He was also caught by Garp when he tried to destroy MF.
The only reason u think shiki can win against Akainu is because he fought Garp & sengoku. 2admiral lvl guys.
Jack also fought 2admiral lvl guys. So u think Jack can beat Akainu?
Or u think Moriah can beat Akainu because he fought Kaido in his Prime?
I don't think we'd gain anything from prolonging this topic any further, so I am going to end this with one last post. I know everything is done the way it did because the plot demands it. But there is a limit to how much plot helps you. Sometimes it doesn't even make any sense. Shiki's case is one of such so you can't apply Luffy > Shiki so Shiki would be < someone that's stronger than Luffy logic here because Luffy didn't beat him fair and square to think he's stronger than Shiki.
I know that the movie was written by Oda but it doesn't make it a part of actual manga as it does't coincide with the manga as I said before. It may have same characters in it but the events occurred in movies aren't a part of manga.Plot holes are a part of manga but they do not work in all cases. For example would you agree if I say Itachi can control Sage Naruto because Toneri's genjutsu worked on him? I am sure you won't , that's why plot holes can't be used as arguments because they' doesn't hold any logic in them.
What I think doesn't matter? I am not sure what that statement supposed mean. Of course what I think is irrelevant because it's just an opinion but Everything I said is what happened in manga so they're not my personal beliefs hence they do hold some value. You can ho ahead and give me panels. Whitebeard never put a dent on MF building when he was being held by Akainu. I am sure you can't, because it never happened in manga. Lmao, if he was a coward he'd never go to MF and single handedly attack them all and stand there without any fear when two top tiers are standing before him for a battle. That's a horrible way of downplaying a character tbh.
I believe it to be the case because he destroyed half of the MF while two top tiers in their prime were holding him off. It was never conformed by any source that they fought Jack together. Even if they did, it doesn't mean that the battle was as devastating as Shiki's battle so the whole argument regarding Jack is moot as we do not have enough evidence to support it. Moriah? Moriah was destroyed by Kaido, that too was decades ago, when Kaido himself was probably a newbie so I am not sure why it holds any kind of relevance here.
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I already told u Luffy's win against Doffy was also plot. Why will Doffy play with fodders when Luffy ran out of juice? He would kill him without wasting any time. So this point makes no sense. this is how every series works.
I don't understand why u think movie is not canon? Wiki clearly states that movie is canon and it takes place somewhere in between Thriller Bark and Sabody Arch... Arc.
This was Marineford before the war started:
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This was Marineford when the war ended
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U still think WB didnot destroyed Marineford?
WB VS Akainu 2nd Round last punch (Wb almost destroyed Marineford)
[video]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=l_088JPVbtE[/video]
Buggy was also a coward but he went to Marineford.
Nobody is downplaying Shiki. His hype was not that good:
He lost his fleet because of a storm.
Got captured when he attacked MF.
Somehow ran away from Impel down(Later lots of guys ran away from ID)
and then he got his a** eloctrocuted by pre time skip Luffy.
[video=youtube;DPgVJT4wu_8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPgVJT4wu_8[/video]
He never defeated any strong guy.
U think Shiki destroying part of MF is a feat. Don Chinjao use to destroy ice continent with his head.
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Obviously those guys fought together. and still Jack was able to destroy 2 of the Marines ship even though he fought 5 days straight against top tier guys(Dukes and minkmen).
How can u compare a naval fight with land fight? this point makes no sense :'(
Kaido wasn't a newbie when Moriah fought him.why? Moriah was present in Roger's execution. His fight must have took place after that. which proves Kaido was already a Yonko when they fought,
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This part wont discuss because its naruto related but one thing Obito did controlled a perfect jin with his sharingan genjutsu.
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Kong/Gorosei/Dragon (i won't say 100% they can defeat him, but simply a prediction that their power will be superior to Akainu's).
As for pirates: Kaido.
From the past: Whitebeard/Garp/Sengoku/Roger
As for pirates: Kaido.
From the past: Whitebeard/Garp/Sengoku/Roger
Strong World events arent canon lmfao. Where in the timeline would Luffy even get the chance to face Shiki. And lets pretend it was canon, why has it never been mentioned in the manga not even a hint of that fight.You must be registered for see images
I already told u Luffy's win against Doffy was also plot. Why will Doffy play with fodders when Luffy ran out of juice? He would kill him without wasting any time. So this point makes no sense. this is how every series works.
I don't understand why u think movie is not canon? Wiki clearly states that movie is canon and it takes place somewhere in between Thriller Bark and Sabody Arch... Arc.
This was Marineford before the war started:
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This was Marineford when the war ended
U can see the palace/fortress in Marineford is destroyed.which proves WB crew did more destruction then Shiki.You must be registered for see images
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U still think WB didnot destroyed Marineford?
WB VS Akainu 2nd Round last punch (Wb almost destroyed Marineford)
[video]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=l_088JPVbtE[/video]
Buggy was also a coward but he went to Marineford.
Nobody is downplaying Shiki. His hype was not that good:
He lost his fleet because of a storm.
Got captured when he attacked MF.
Somehow ran away from Impel down(Later lots of guys ran away from ID)
and then he got his a** eloctrocuted by pre time skip Luffy.
[video=youtube;DPgVJT4wu_8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPgVJT4wu_8[/video]
He never defeated any strong guy.
U think Shiki destroying part of MF is a feat. Don Chinjao use to destroy ice continent with his head.
He also fought Garp. I m sure if Don Chinjao and Garp had fought in MF he would have destroyed half of MF with his head.You must be registered for see images
Obviously those guys fought together. and still Jack was able to destroy 2 of the Marines ship even though he fought 5 days straight against top tier guys(Dukes and minkmen).
How can u compare a naval fight with land fight? this point makes no sense :'(
Kaido wasn't a newbie when Moriah fought him.why? Moriah was present in Roger's execution. His fight must have took place after that. which proves Kaido was already a Yonko when they fought,
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This part wont discuss because its naruto related but one thing Obito did controlled a perfect jin with his sharingan genjutsu.
Not to mention its common sense Pre Timeskip Luffy can't beat one of Rogers rivals.
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Wiki says otherwise. :bdpf:
It says the movie took place somewhere in between Thriller Bark & Sabody Arch... arc.
I m sure we are not going to see Shiki anymore because of that movie.
And Shiki's hype was not that good.
He never defeated any strong guy.(Sengoku, Garp, Roger)
He brought a fleet to fight Roger & still he lost that fight. It was 1vs 20something.
His biggest hype was 'Only guy who escaped Impel Down'. Later lots of guys ran away from Impel Down.
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Regarding the movie: It was mentioned in Wiki based on two things. Brook appeared in manga means that it'd be after TB and they were separated at Sabody so they merely assumed it to be the case simply because it fits there but it was never conformed by any source associated with Oda as far as I know. Besides, I am pretty sure Shiki'll be reintroduced in the series.
I doubt he can be educated at this point. He's clearly one of those "I'll believe whatever I want and ignore everything else" kind of guy from NDS. It'd be a waste of time. :yeah:
I doubt he can be educated at this point. He's clearly one of those "I'll believe whatever I want and ignore everything else" kind of guy from NDS. It'd be a waste of time. :yeah:
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wtf is wiki? I can go there right now and change what I want.
Let me ask you a question, why has the fight never been mentioned or even hinted at in the manga if it indeed does follow the One Piece timeline? Not once has Shiki's existence even been hinted at let alone a fight between him and Luffy. Its just common sense.
Do you honestly believe someone who fought two top tiers at the same time and still managed to cause so much destruction can be beaten by pre skip Luffy? Pre skip Luffy someone who needed his entire crew to defeat a Pacifista?
Garp was strong enough to be on Roger and WB's level, Sengoku was the ex fleet admiral. Do you understand how ridiculous it is what you are saying?
Look. Look at how seriously two absolute top tiers are taking this.
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1+1 = 2.
The characters and their history is Canon in Strong World not the events that occured in it. You simply misunderstood what was canon about Strong World.
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There is a popular mis conception that every guy in Previous Gen was a Monster or had to be a monster.
Look Buggy. This guy travelled everywhere Roger had gone, Saw void History, fought Shiki & definately had seen Rogers legendary treasure.
Now here is a question What was his bounty when he was introduce first time in OP?
And if I remember properly Pre time skip Luffy defeated Buggy.
-Arlong was also a pirate in Grandline. He worked under the guy who destroyed Mariejois. Jimbei was his partner. He is 10times stronger then average human. Who defeated Arlong?
Pre time skip Luffy did.
-Crocodile one of the Shichibukai who was present in Roger execution, almost destroyed Alabasta. Who stopped him? Pre Timeskip Luffy did.
-Enel (God of Skypeia) who defeated him? Pre-Timeskip Luffy did.
-Moriah (guy who fought against Kaido, lost his crew, stole shadow of a wano hero & Oars.)He was defeated by whom? Pre-Timeskip Luffy did.
U know what's common between Arlong, Moriah, Shiki:
1)these guys had some territory
2)they have never beaten any strong guy shown in manga(even though they fought some of the strongest guys in OP)
3)Pre Timeskip Luffy defeated them.
What's the problem in Luffy beating Shiki's a** in the movie?
U think shiki will be shown again in OP?
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You addressed nothing that was in my post. I don't care about that generation overall, I don't know why you are listing characters that aren't even in the same stratosphere.
I'm asking you to look at this scan.
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This is Prime Garp, someone who is mentioned in the same breath as Prime WB and Roger. He has Prime Sengoku with him, who is an Admiral.
Do you think pre timeskip Luffy could beat someone who makes Prime Garp and Prime Sengoku this serious despite going 2v1?
Do you think someone who needed his entire crew to beat a single pacifista can make Prime Garp and Prime Sengoku this serious? Prime Garp if he had HH could possibly knock pre timeskip Luffy out with conquerors alone. That is how big of a gap there is.
Pre timeskip Luffy would not even be able to get post timeskip Franky this serious, let alone two of the strongest characters in the entire series at the same time.
I don't even want to focus on anything else to distract you from this point, because there is so much I can talk about right now, but lets keep it simple and focus on how their faces looked.
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