Who can counter Kotoamatsukami?

[UchiGod Itachi]

That scene is from storm revolution the video game which came out after their original canon figjt, this is the real fight

lmao dude kishimoto ain't work on that he even said it himself he wrote the storylines

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show me proof or link kishimoto created that one?

 

[The Discourse]

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[CalamityHeart]

Danzo countered kato & ripped out shisui's eye before anyone even tried to intervene. Shisui had already lost lol.What would be the point of using koto on Sasuke?

That wasn't Koto that Shisui used on Danzo. It was a regular Sharingan genjutsu.

OT: I think it depends on the eye. Shisui's left eye, which Danzo had, was shown to be able to actively mind-control a particular target, and like regular genjutsu, it can be detected and canceled if the person being affected is made aware of it.

Shisui's right eye, which Itachi had, seemed to be able to use Koto in a way that it affected the target immediately with a specific directive ("Protect Konoha", in the case of Itachi's one use) and had a lasting, permanent effect on the target's mind and behavior. That doesn't seem like something that can be countered or negated, because the jutsu itself isn't lasting, but the effect it has on the target is. It broke Kabuto's control over Itachi, and Itachi believed it would be enough to convince Sasuke to "protect Konoha" without him even being alive or present to witness its use.

So, Shisui's left eye controls your mind, and Shisui's right eye changes your mind, to my understanding. Logically, Shisui with both eyes would be able to do both at once, and be much more powerful than either eye individually, so it's hard to say, but by feats, the left eye (active ability; less powerful) has been countered, the right eye (triggered ability; more powerful), hasn't.

 

[XxTayxX]

That wasn't Koto that Shisui used on Danzo. It was a regular Sharingan genjutsu.

OT: I think it depends on the eye. Shisui's left eye, which Danzo had, was shown to be able to actively mind-control a particular target, and like regular genjutsu, it can be detected and canceled if the person being affected is made aware of it.

Shisui's right eye, which Itachi had, seemed to be able to use Koto in a way that it affected the target immediately with a specific directive ("Protect Konoha", in the case of Itachi's one use) and had a lasting, permanent effect on the target's mind and behavior. That doesn't seem like something that can be countered or negated, because the jutsu itself isn't lasting, but the effect it has on the target is. It broke Kabuto's control over Itachi, and Itachi believed it would be enough to convince Sasuke to "protect Konoha" without him even being alive or present to witness its use.

So, Shisui's left eye controls your mind, and Shisui's right eye changes your mind, to my understanding. Logically, Shisui with both eyes would be able to do both at once, and be much more powerful than either eye individually, so it's hard to say, but by feats, the left eye (active ability; less powerful) has been countered, the right eye (triggered ability; more powerful), hasn't.

Didnt know i said, thanks for the correction

 

[Liquid Snake]

KA doesn't need direct eye contact, and when u get hit by it neither you nor the bijuu within u will know u r under genjutsu :| you can't fight a problem you don't know exists. Even with understanding of all things.

OT: Seeing how Sasuke's eyes can protect him from KA I don't think visual genjutsu works on him anymore

U still have to be in his eye sight ur not saying shisui doesn't even have to look at the person right? Because then what's the point of the eyes like I said rsm can sense what he is doing and just get out his eyesight and even someone with stronger chakra can break any genjutsu that's like if kuranei tries to genjutsu hashi he easily breaks this also how many senju killed uchiha who obviously had genjutsu it's because their stronger chakra prevented this

 

[Liquid Snake]

the thing is, one doesn't know he's being controlled, so even if you have the power to do so, you can't

Again for one to be in control they have to have stronger chakra ppl with stronger chakra can break any bond look at madara with Edo tensei also hashi a person with absolute strength over shisui wont even be affected by the genjutsu .

 

[Itachi24692]

I would say anyone with something beyond a MS can counter it
Although Itachi was controlled (or freed) by it instantly so I guess it is indeed very powerful

 

[HiddenSound]

lmao dude kishimoto ain't work on that he even said it himself he wrote the storylines

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show me proof or link kishimoto created that one?

Shisui should've used Perfect Susano'o. Because that's also from Kishi. In a video game.
Fact is, we never saw the fight between Danzō and Shisui so everything about it would be speculation.

 

[chopstickchakra]

I was talking with a friend, and he was like shisui should be the strongest coz he can control your mind blah blah, I was like, the rinnegan counters visual genjutsu, then he said, KA doesn't require eye contact (which is true) , I didn't know how to counter that, all he needs to do is look at you (no eye contact) , so anyone has an idea of how rinnegan/juubi jins/rikudou sage mode users counter kotoamatshkami, I will like to know, please no trolling bout danzou owning shisui

Why you deleting posts kid? Couldn't handle the Obitachi?

 

[Uchihakil]

Again for one to be in control they have to have stronger chakra ppl with stronger chakra can break any bond look at madara with Edo tensei also hashi a person with absolute strength over shisui wont even be affected by the genjutsu .

you don't fully understand how it works so it seems, if for example it was used on hashi, despite him having the chakra to break out, he won't coz he doesn't know he is in, how hard is it to comprehend, the hax thing bout it is you don't know you are being controlled, if yt don't know how the hell are you gonna breakout

 

[Remedy]

If you are aware that you are under koto, you can break out of it. Shisui's genjutsu prowess was so strong and subtle, you are completely unaware you are being placed under a genjutsu. In the case of Itachi, he knew he was being placed under koto, so he willingly let himself be controlled in order to cancel out Kabuto's jutsu, If this were a real scenario where it was being used against him, and he was aware, he could have countered it, dispelling the jutsu.

 

[bowflex]

Naruto & His Plot Shield

and maybe Sasuke if she's hiding in her susanoo

lmaoo wassup with ur sig?

 

[Ripple Hole]

Sakura .

 

[Draegod]

KA doesn't need direct eye contact, and when u get hit by it neither you nor the bijuu within u will know u r under genjutsu :| you can't fight a problem you don't know exists. Even with understanding of all things.

OT: Seeing how Sasuke's eyes can protect him from KA I don't think visual genjutsu works on him anymore

Not true! The jutsus biggest weakness is the fact the ninja being controlled only had to realize they are doing something out of character then have the ability to break free. Two examples

1. Have the opponent power down let's say susannoo then attempt run
2. Have a ninja attempt to kill them selfs with a katana

Example one gives Danzou the ability to kill once guard is down thanks to koto making them lower there def.
example two makes said ninja know what they doing and quickly realize they may be in genjutsu (because no ninja would kill them selfs of course). Danzou made mifune wanna vote for him, itachi planned on having sasuke protect Konoha this is why in theory this could be true. Otherwise itachi could have simply made sasuke "stop all bad deeds, or listen to naruto", and Danzou could have made Aye bow down to him or hiruzen/tsunade step down and give him title.

The Jutsu isn't the end all be all, just a situational Jutsu IMO.

 

[VongolaX]

I was talking with a friend, and he was like shisui should be the strongest coz he can control your mind blah blah, I was like, the rinnegan counters visual genjutsu, then he said, KA doesn't require eye contact (which is true) , I didn't know how to counter that, all he needs to do is look at you (no eye contact) , so anyone has an idea of how rinnegan/juubi jins/rikudou sage mode users counter kotoamatshkami, I will like to know, please no trolling bout danzou owning shisui

That's your first mistake. Rinnegan doesn't counter visual genjustus

 

[Hagoromo Reanimation]

Shisui should've used Perfect Susano'o. Because that's also from Kishi. In a video game.
Fact is, we never saw the fight between Danzō and Shisui so everything about it would be speculation.

Why didn't Minato use Sage mode/Senjutsu against juubito when he had it the chance you don't know why, it's funny how you didn't bother quoting anyone else who mention the other version like xxtayxx but quick to jump when your savoir danzo got exposed lol.

 

[FreeTanner17]

Naruto & His Plot Shield

and maybe Sasuke if she's hiding in her susanoo

I'm a fan of both Naruto and sasukes so I don't know how to react to this...

 

[ninjarasengan]

Def won't work on top tiers. That's a no limits fallacy if you think it can neg anyone.

Phrase in bold really needs to die...it just allows fans to make up their own arbitrary limits. :scorps:

 

[Nick01]

Naruto & His Plot Shield

and maybe Sasuke if she's hiding in her susanoo

Good one.

 

[Seventh Sama]

Phrase in bold really needs to die...it just allows fans to make up their own arbitrary limits. :scorps:

Thats what stops people from wanking tho.