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That 2nd one is the hardest task. It has to be someone who can at least create 4 Shadow Clones and have the ability to push themselves past their previous limits. They'd already be at a disadvantage due to creating said Shadow Clones.
I agree.
People saying "so-and-so will start in base and then powerup" seem to forget that the clone will just do the same.
Pre-Jin Madara and up to present Madara could clear it though.